The Ratings Thread (Part 3 (1))

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Jonwo

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister:
“Yeah the comedies could alternate and it would be a good place to showcase some E4 comedies. Also new Jamie At Home could air in the 7pm hour. Hopefully that schedule would provide an alternative to other terrestrials which CH4 is struggling to do at the minute with BBC2 and FIVE sorted with their factual and US imports.”

Channel 4 have a poor weekend schedule at the moment although as I have mentioned they are scheduling family films on Sundays which should boost their share on Sunday. I expect Miracle on 34th Street to do very well for them.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“People that say terrestrial television is dead are usually producers who make poor ratings shows or bosses that commission poor rating shows. For too long terrestrial channels have made a majority of shows that drive people to multi-channel viewing. But I'm a great believer in if you make the shows the people will watch. The fact that BBC1 & ITV between them had a huge share of the Saturday night audience proves this.”

I wonder what kind of ratings a talent show in the vein of SCD/X Factor/BGT etc would if it aired on Channel 4 or Five. While I doubt it would get 9-10m, I think ratings of 5-7m would be more realistic.

PJMillar

30-11-2008

You're absolutely right. Producers will have no excuse after the resurgence of the BBC and ITV on Saturday nights. It's undoubtedly the best night of the week for ITV, and guess what, there's no soaps! Talent & variety is coming out on top, light entertainment is beating drama properly for the first time ever in the UK.

But it's not just that, comedy is also doing really well sandwiched between The X Factor, and even after it. We are Most Amused grabbed a 30% share after the X Factor and over 7 million viewers between it. Next year could be the year when ITV really go for a 'Saturday Night Live' in-between the two X Factor's to really hot up ratings.

BBC1's schedule, you cannot complain though, while ITV has gone for the glossy event feel for 2008, BBC1 has been brilliant for a cosy night with a glass of wine, with SCD, Merlin & Casualty working well together. Of course, it has not beaten ITV's line-up. And ITV is definitely fulfilling its quota of 'challenging the BBC', it has knocked it off its Saturday night throne, and I speak confidently that it will in the long term, even from January to March when DOI is on Sunday's.

The question is, how will ITV beat BBC1 on Sunday's? From January to March they can with DOI, but after that?

rzt

30-11-2008

This is true, but it would be far too expensive to make these sort of shows on a daily basis. Also due to the scheduling of the soaps, it's pretty very difficult for any new show to get good ratings on a weeknight at 7.30-9pm.

The majority of shows getting these mammoth ratings at the moment are reality shows. But there's plenty of those now- I wouldn't want more!

D.M.N.

30-11-2008

Highest Peaks so far of 2008
1) 14.6m - 21/05/08 - UEFA Champions League Final
2) 14.4m - 31/05/08 - Britains Got Talent Final Results
3) 13.3m - 06/07/08 - Wimbledon 2008 Final
4) 13.1m - 02/11/08 - Grand Prix
5) 12.9m - 29/06/08 - Euro 2008 Final
6) 12.9m - 18/01/08 - Coronation Street
7) 12.8m - 29/11/08 - The X Factor
8) 12.6m - 16/03/08 - Dancing on Ice Final
9) 11.7m - 22/11/08 - Strictly Come Dancing
10) 11.6m - 25/03/08 - EastEnders

rzt

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Highest Peaks so far of 2008
14.6m - 21/05/08 - UEFA Champions League Final
14.4m - 31/05/08 - Britains Got Talent Final Results
13.1m - 02/11/08 - Grand Prix
12.8m - 29/11/08 - The X Factor
12.7m - 06/07/08 - Wimbledon 2008 Final
12.4m - 18/01/08 - Coronation Street*
12.1m - 29/06/08 - Euro 2008 Final
11.9m - 16/03/08 - Dancing on Ice Final
11.7m - 22/11/08 - Strictly Come Dancing
11.4m - 25/03/08 - EastEnders*

*No peak available for episode - overnight average rating quoted.

There may be some missing figures here - maybe inaccurate.”

This looks pretty right, only thing is some of those peaks are 5-minute peaks while others are 15 minute peaks.

Euro 2008 Final had 5-min peak of 12.9m, while Wimbledon Final had 13.3m peak. Corrie peaked with 12.9m. And Dancing on Ice Final peaked with 12.6m (15 min peak)

D.M.N.

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“This looks pretty right, only thing is some of those peaks are 5-minute peaks while others are 15 minute peaks.

Euro 2008 Final had 5-min peak of 12.9m, while Wimbledon Final had 13.3m peak. Corrie peaked with 12.9m. And Dancing on Ice Final peaked with 12.6m (15 min peak) .”

Thanks for those. Fixed the above.

I imagine that table will change a lot before the end of the year.

Moloko

30-11-2008

Darn! I missed the X Factor and Strictly because my sister was celebrating her birthday with this massive house party and when we came back at midnight after a film and Nandos, it was left in a quite a state.

Shocked though at TXF!

But I don't think say C4 or BBC2 would ever use any of those shows on a Saturday night though, because they know it would bomb as no one thinks of those channels for big Saturday night entertainment. That's probably why when C4 first had Big Brother, they decided to put out on Fridays. I think Fridays as well as Saturdays should be livened up.

rzt

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thanks for those. Fixed the above.

I imagine that table will change a lot before the end of the year.”

No problem. Also just saw that EastEnders episode had a 15 minute peak of 11.6m

D.M.N.

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“No problem. Also just saw that EastEnders episode had a 15 minute peak of 11.6m .”

Thanks.

Might be worthy bookmarking this as I'm sure a lot of things will change from there within the next few weeks.

Roscoe Barnes

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Most Watched Programmes of 2008 (Overnight Ratings)
01 - 13.1m (55%) - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT FINAL RESULT (31/05/08) - ITV1
02 - 12.1m (51%) - CORONATION STREET (18/01/08) - ITV1
03 - 11.9m (na%) - THE X FACTOR (29/11/08) - ITV1
04 - 11.7m (44%) - DANCING ON ICE (16/03/08) - ITV1
05 - 11.4m (42%) - EASTENDERS (24/03/08) - BBC1
06 - 11.0m (51%) - BRITAIN’S GOT TALENT (30/05/08) - ITV1
07 - 10.7m (50%) - THE X FACTOR RESULTS (29/11/08) - ITV1
08 - 10.2m (43%) - STRICTLY COME DANCING (22/11/08) BBC1
09 - 10.1m (38%) - ANTIQUES ROADSHOW (09/11/08) - BBC1
10 - 9.7m (42%) - CHILDREN IN NEED (14/11/08) - BBC1
11 - 9.6m (43%) - UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE: Man Utd v Chelsea (21/05/08) - ITV1
= -- 9.6m (40%) - I'M A CELEBRITY - GET ME OUT OF HERE! (29/11/08) - ITV1
12 - 9.4m (46%) - DOCTOR WHO (05/07/08) - BBC1

X Factor and I'm a Celeb move up in the yearly chart.”

Coronation Street's highest figure is actually 12.4m, not 12.1m this year.

rzt

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Coronation Street's highest figure is actually 12.4m, not 12.1m this year.”

My bad Roscoe. What episode date was that?

EDIT: Just seen it was for 18/1 episode.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Thanks.

Might be worthy bookmarking this as I'm sure a lot of things will change from there within the next few weeks. ”

D.M.N., just saw that the second Corrie episode on that day peaked with 13.3m, if you want to update that table.

Roscoe Barnes

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“My bad Roscoe. What episode date was that?

EDIT: Just seen it was for 18/1 episode.

”

Yeah thats correct.

SamW25

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by ZoeMcCallister:
“Here's what I would do on a CH4 Saturday night:

4pm-Film (R)
6pm-News
6.15-DOND (NEW)
7pm-CDWM(R)
8pm-The Simpsons(R)
8.30pm-The Simpsons(R)
9pm- My Name Is Earl (NEW)
9.30pm- My Name Is Earl (NEW)
10pm-Stand Up Comedy (NEW)
11pm-8 Out Of 10 Cats/Friday Night Project etc (R)

Established CH4 show repeats would be shown in the 7pm slot across the year.

Various comedies would alternate from 8-10pm across the year.

Stand Up Comedy would air in the 10pm slot occasionally with room for some changes for some big films which could air 8-10pm some weekends.”

I like that idea, although I think Channel 4 should try and jump on the talent show bandwagon before it dies out. There appears to be a lot of demand for a UK version of So You Think You Can Dance. I'm very surprised that a British channel hasn't picked it up yet, and it could just be what Channel 4 needs.

Steve Williams

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Well, TOTP didn't move to Fridays at 7.30pm until summer 1996, in what was initially only meant to be a short-term measure. There was probably very little difference between the ratings for TOTP and TOTP2 in the late 1990s.

The TOTP2 ratings for 1998 onwards might still be on the BARB website (unless they've removed them following this week's site relaunch), but it might be difficult to find many TOTP ratings because it rarely made the BBC One Top 30.”

I know that, in November 1999, TOTP2 beat Top of the Pops by about half a million - although that was in a week Pops was on BBC2 because of Children In Need. Normally I think Pops was about a million ahead, I think it was around three million for Pops and two million for TOTP2. The high point of TOTP2 was around the beginning of this decade when it was on every Wednesday, then from 2002 it shuffled around the schedules like crazy, thanks to The Simpsons going daily, and then the constant experiments to find a Simpson replacement.

It's worth remembering that, as well as being shoved opposited Corrie, Pops had some terrible lead-ins when it was on at 7.30. For a few years it was on after Weekend Watchdog, the worst TV programme ever, which used to play out with bands, and I do remember one week Weekend Watchdog finished with, I think, Steps perfoming their new single, followed by Pops where the first band was Steps performing their new single. For most of 2003 it was after Open All Hours, which was no bloody use either.

Steve Williams

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by SamW25:
“I like that idea, although I think Channel 4 should try and jump on the talent show bandwagon before it dies out. There appears to be a lot of demand for a UK version of So You Think You Can Dance. I'm very surprised that a British channel hasn't picked it up yet, and it could just be what Channel 4 needs.”

Ooh dear, if Jeremy Isaacs was dead he'd be spinning in his grave at comments like that. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think we should have So You Think You Can Dance, when we already had Strictly Dance Fever and nobody cared.

Agent F

30-11-2008

Wow at those incredible ratings for ITV1! The X Factor's gobsmacking performance - particularly the results - is very impressive. IAC hits a series high! Hopefully a big chunk of that will carry over to tonight's show, especially with the promise of the bushtucker trial resulting in one being booted out.

Harry Hill also did brilliantly last night. 41% primetime share - 50% share for The X Factor. The revival of that show this year has just been amazing and has really come from nowhere - for the first time in a few years everybody seems to be talking about it as well. It's always been a popular show but this year it's really took off like never before.

I'm expecting gigantic ratings for the final now!!!

SamW25

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Ooh dear, if Jeremy Isaacs was dead he'd be spinning in his grave at comments like that. I'm not sure why everyone seems to think we should have So You Think You Can Dance, when we already had Strictly Dance Fever and nobody cared.”

Strictly Dance Fever is just a non-celebrity version of Strictly Come Dancing. OK so its just SCD under a different name

Seriously though, its two different styles of dance. SYTYCD is aimed more at younger people and is the type of dancing you'd see on Britain's Got Talent (Flava, Nemesis, George Sampson etc) and judging by the success of some of those acts, I think it would do well on Channel 4 if promoted properly and given the right slot.

rzt

30-11-2008

Saturday 29th November Mega Breakdown

Code:

Time -- Total TV - BBC-1 (Share %) -- ITV-1 (Share %)
17:30 - 17.96 m - 5.19 m ( 28.92 % ) - 2.74 m ( 15.24 % )
17:35 - 18.04 m - 4.44 m ( 24.62 % ) - 2.86 m ( 15.84 % )
17:40 - 18.27 m - 3.98 m ( 21.77 % ) - 2.98 m ( 16.29 % )
17:45 - 18.64 m - 4.29 m ( 23.02 % ) - 3.01 m ( 16.13 % )
17:50 - 18.97 m - 4.63 m ( 24.42 % ) - 3.10 m ( 16.35 % )
17:55 - 19.27 m - 5.01 m ( 25.99 % ) - 3.23 m ( 16.78 % )
18:00 - 19.78 m - 5.76 m ( 29.11 % ) - 3.37 m ( 17.05 % )
18:05 - 20.54 m - 7.14 m ( 34.73 % ) - 3.04 m ( 14.82 % )
18:10 - 21.28 m - 7.91 m ( 37.18 % ) - 3.30 m ( 15.51 % )
18:15 - 21.70 m - 8.56 m ( 39.44 % ) - 3.23 m ( 14.89 % )
18:20 - 22.21 m - 9.00 m ( 40.51 % ) - 3.27 m ( 14.73 % )
18:25 - 22.53 m - 9.25 m ( 41.04 % ) - 3.56 m ( 15.82 % )
18:30 - 22.73 m - 9.73 m ( 42.83 % ) - 4.17 m ( 18.34 % )
18:35 - 22.93 m - 10.03 m ( 43.75 % ) - 4.52 m ( 19.69 % )
18:40 - 23.49 m - 10.24 m ( 43.60 % ) - 4.71 m ( 20.04 % )
18:45 - 23.67 m - 10.36 m ( 43.77 % ) - 4.85 m ( 20.48 % )
18:50 - 23.87 m - 10.45 m ( 43.77 % ) - 4.93 m ( 20.67 % )
18:55 - 24.03 m - 10.57 m ( 44.00 % ) - 5.35 m ( 22.27 % )
19:00 - 24.33 m - 10.80 m ( 44.40 % ) - 5.70 m ( 23.43 % )
19:05 - 24.67 m - 11.05 m ( 44.79 % ) - 5.89 m ( 23.88 % )
19:10 - 24.88 m - 10.97 m ( 44.07 % ) - 6.23 m ( 25.05 % )
19:15 - 25.17 m - 11.17 m ( 44.36 % ) - 6.11 m ( 24.28 % )
19:20 - 25.48 m - 11.15 m ( 43.78 % ) - 6.51 m ( 25.54 % )
19:25 - 25.45 m - 10.28 m ( 40.39 % ) - 7.34 m ( 28.83 % )
19:30 - 24.55 m - 7.80 m ( 31.80 % ) - 8.12 m ( 33.10 % )
19:35 - 25.01 m - 6.00 m ( 23.98 % ) - 10.58 m ( 42.30 % )
19:40 - 25.61 m - 5.91 m ( 23.07 % ) - 11.43 m ( 44.60 % )
19:45 - 25.30 m - 5.93 m ( 23.46 % ) - 10.78 m ( 42.62 % )
19:50 - 25.74 m - 5.92 m ( 22.99 % ) - 11.47 m ( 44.55 % )
19:55 - 25.80 m - 5.93 m ( 22.97 % ) - 11.96 m ( 46.38 % )
20:00 - 25.79 m - 5.93 m ( 23.00 % ) - 12.20 m ( 47.30 % )
20:05 - 25.38 m - 6.23 m ( 24.56 % ) - 10.92 m ( 43.00 % )
20:10 - 26.33 m - 6.32 m ( 24.01 % ) - 12.24 m ( 46.48 % )
20:15 - 25.96 m - 5.17 m ( 19.91 % ) - 12.78 m ( 49.23 % )
20:20 - 25.52 m - 4.26 m ( 16.67 % ) - 12.53 m ( 49.10 % )
20:25 - 25.19 m - 4.78 m ( 18.99 % ) - 11.10 m ( 44.05 % )
20:30 - 25.71 m - 4.25 m ( 16.52 % ) - 12.42 m ( 48.33 % )
20:35 - 26.15 m - 4.41 m ( 16.85 % ) - 12.68 m ( 48.47 % )
20:40 - 26.30 m - 4.55 m ( 17.30 % ) - 12.76 m ( 48.49 % )
20:45 - 26.14 m - 4.68 m ( 17.90 % ) - 12.28 m ( 46.96 % )
20:50 - 26.19 m - 4.75 m ( 18.13 % ) - 12.15 m ( 46.37 % )
20:55 - 26.40 m - 4.75 m ( 17.98 % ) - 12.78 m ( 48.39 % )
21:00 - 26.18 m - 4.69 m ( 17.91 % ) - 12.72 m ( 48.58 % )
21:05 - 25.84 m - 4.92 m ( 19.02 % ) - 12.31 m ( 47.64 % )
21:10 - 25.27 m - 5.32 m ( 21.05 % ) - 9.59 m ( 37.96 % )
21:15 - 24.93 m - 4.53 m ( 18.18 % ) - 9.14 m ( 36.69 % )
21:20 - 24.46 m - 3.19 m ( 13.05 % ) - 9.82 m ( 40.16 % )
21:25 - 24.22 m - 3.06 m ( 12.65 % ) - 9.10 m ( 37.57 % )
21:30 - 24.55 m - 3.04 m ( 12.37 % ) - 9.65 m ( 39.28 % )
21:35 - 24.66 m - 3.00 m ( 12.15 % ) - 9.87 m ( 40.01 % )
21:40 - 24.43 m - 3.16 m ( 12.93 % ) - 9.41 m ( 38.54 % )
21:45 - 23.82 m - 3.56 m ( 14.96 % ) - 9.30 m ( 39.06 % )
21:50 - 24.10 m - 3.22 m ( 13.38 % ) - 10.05 m ( 41.70 % )
21:55 - 23.85 m - 3.75 m ( 15.71 % ) - 9.43 m ( 39.54 % )
22:00 - 23.65 m - 3.91 m ( 16.53 % ) - 9.66 m ( 40.87 % )
22:05 - 23.77 m - 3.80 m ( 15.98 % ) - 10.23 m ( 43.06 % )
22:10 - 22.77 m - 2.82 m ( 12.37 % ) - 9.93 m ( 43.60 % )
22:15 - 21.95 m - 3.12 m ( 14.22 % ) - 10.36 m ( 47.20 % )
22:20 - 22.09 m - 2.92 m ( 13.23 % ) - 11.05 m ( 50.02 % )
22:25 - 21.76 m - 2.72 m ( 12.50 % ) - 10.88 m ( 49.99 % )
22:30 - 21.08 m - 2.74 m ( 13.00 % ) - 10.13 m ( 48.05 % )
22:35 - 21.09 m - 2.55 m ( 12.07 % ) - 11.25 m ( 53.33 % )
22:40 - 20.31 m - 2.58 m ( 12.71 % ) - 10.47 m ( 51.56 % )
22:45 - 18.31 m - 3.29 m ( 17.94 % ) - 4.81 m ( 26.26 % )
22:50 - 17.59 m - 3.26 m ( 18.54 % ) - 3.88 m ( 22.07 % )
22:55 - 16.81 m - 3.07 m ( 18.28 % ) - 3.56 m ( 21.17 % )
23:00 - 15.97 m - 3.03 m ( 18.96 % ) - 2.59 m ( 16.20 % )

Source: DWF (MattJ)

- Peak viewing time: 26.40m at 20.55. This is very high for a Saturday night.
- X Factor Show 1 had 46.0% share. It peaked twice with 12.78m at 20.15 and 20.55.
- X Factor Show 2 had a peak of 11.25m (53.3%) when Ruth Lorenzo was voted off.
- ITV News at 22.45 averaged 3.7m (21%).

Manxy 2007

30-11-2008

A good night for both BBC1 and ITV1, but I'm annoyed that I don't know what the most important show of the night got in ratings. What did the Hole in the Wall repeat get!?

Thebenster

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“Saturday 29th November Mega Breakdown”

Hole in the Wall: 4.69m (24.8%)

Manxy 2007

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by Thebenster:
“Hole in the Wall: 4.69m (24.8%)”

Thanks and at this rate it is lucking like the BBC would be stupid not to recommisson it.

Jonwo

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by SamW25:
“Strictly Dance Fever is just a non-celebrity version of Strictly Come Dancing. OK so its just SCD under a different name

Seriously though, its two different styles of dance. SYTYCD is aimed more at younger people and is the type of dancing you'd see on Britain's Got Talent (Flava, Nemesis, George Sampson etc) and judging by the success of some of those acts, I think it would do well on Channel 4 if promoted properly and given the right slot.”

I think a UK version of SYTYCD would do well but it would be unlikely to appear on Channel 4 as they don't do entertaimment like BBC One or ITV1 and it would out of place.

cylon6

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by rzt:
“This is true, but it would be far too expensive to make these sort of shows on a daily basis. Also due to the scheduling of the soaps, it's pretty very difficult for any new show to get good ratings on a weeknight at 7.30-9pm.

The majority of shows getting these mammoth ratings at the moment are reality shows. But there's plenty of those now- I wouldn't want more!”

Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“You're absolutely right. Producers will have no excuse after the resurgence of the BBC and ITV on Saturday nights. It's undoubtedly the best night of the week for ITV, and guess what, there's no soaps! Talent & variety is coming out on top, light entertainment is beating drama properly for the first time ever in the UK.

But it's not just that, comedy is also doing really well sandwiched between The X Factor, and even after it. We are Most Amused grabbed a 30% share after the X Factor and over 7 million viewers between it. Next year could be the year when ITV really go for a 'Saturday Night Live' in-between the two X Factor's to really hot up ratings.

BBC1's schedule, you cannot complain though, while ITV has gone for the glossy event feel for 2008, BBC1 has been brilliant for a cosy night with a glass of wine, with SCD, Merlin & Casualty working well together. Of course, it has not beaten ITV's line-up. And ITV is definitely fulfilling its quota of 'challenging the BBC', it has knocked it off its Saturday night throne, and I speak confidently that it will in the long term, even from January to March when DOI is on Sunday's.

The question is, how will ITV beat BBC1 on Sunday's? From January to March they can with DOI, but after that?”

I'm not just thinking about reality shows, some people said bringing back Doctor Who wouldn't work and look what happened. A huge hit that has BBC1 & ITV scrambling to make more family dramas for Saturday evenings. And look at the success of New Tricks earlier in the year or Doc Martin recently getting 10 million during its last run. I think if the show is right no matter what genre it is, people will sit down and watch. I don't have a clue what will work and what won't but I do know that the main channels are still able to produce them.

The defeatist attitude of TV bosses has been the main problem if you ask me. For too long they were saying things like ratings are being eroded and accepted it rather than trying to fight it. It's very easy to put Casualty on 48 weeks of the year and get a solid ratings, but trying something else could mean you have another show getting spectacular ratings.

Does anybody remember a show a few years back on Channel 4 asking Who Killed Saturday Night Television? Saturday nights were a wasteland, now though it is once again one of THE most watched nights of the week.

ZoeMcCallister

30-11-2008

HITW...a show which fell below 3 million before TV Burp started then now it's on par with Casualty getting almost 5m for a repeat!!!

rzt

30-11-2008

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I'm not just thinking about reality shows, some people said bringing back Doctor Who wouldn't work and look what happened. A huge hit that has BBC1 & ITV scrambling to make more family dramas for Saturday evenings. And look at the success of New Tricks earlier in the year or Doc Martin recently getting 10 million during its last run. I think if the show is right no matter what genre it is, people will sit down and watch. I don't have a clue what will work and what won't but I do know that the main channels are still able to produce them.”

Oh yes, I agree that there's big shows alongside reality shows like you mentioned. But those type of dramas are quite expensive to make and considering there was a report that New Tricks might get axed due to its cost, its doubtful whether BBC or ITV can make many more of these type of dramas for weeknights.

Where's the money going to come from to make another Doctor Who, or even another Primeval or Merlin? You know, they could make really good dramas, but they might not rate well (like Lost in Austen). So it's a difficult one for the broadcasters.

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