How did they not get the anagrams?
That's terrible play for a final.
That's terrible play for a final.
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I was under the impression that Oswald had been established long ago by JFK researchers to have only shot Officer Tippitt. He was seen elsewhere in the book depository at the time of the assassination.
Originally Posted by SimonK01:
“You really should go for it - it's a huge amount of fun to do, if you go in with the right attitude. To tackle a few things people have mentioned recently:
Yes, in my opinion the next series won't be as hard as this one. Though I can think of one particular question that will make you all go, "Oh come on, that's just impossible."
The Iain M. Banks question was probably unrelated to his death. The current series must have been filmed in about January - we filmed in early May for the next series, which will be broadcast from September.
Please stop going on about the size of Victoria Coren-Mitchell's breasts (we had enough of that from one of our teammates in Cardiff!)”
“You really should go for it - it's a huge amount of fun to do, if you go in with the right attitude. To tackle a few things people have mentioned recently:
Yes, in my opinion the next series won't be as hard as this one. Though I can think of one particular question that will make you all go, "Oh come on, that's just impossible."
The Iain M. Banks question was probably unrelated to his death. The current series must have been filmed in about January - we filmed in early May for the next series, which will be broadcast from September.
Please stop going on about the size of Victoria Coren-Mitchell's breasts (we had enough of that from one of our teammates in Cardiff!)”
She seems to take a starring role in the programme, and someone (whether it's her or an editor) wants to squeeze her into the tightest clothing.
Perhaps if she didn't promote her attributes as much (and she has toned down since she became VCM), there would be fewer comments
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“How did they not get the anagrams?
That's terrible play for a final.”
“How did they not get the anagrams?
That's terrible play for a final.”
Because it's huge odds of picking 4 from 6 (help, please mathematicians!!)
I believe it's 6 factorial divided by 4 factorial times 2 factorial ... which is about 120-1?
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“How did they not get the anagrams?
That's terrible play for a final.”
“How did they not get the anagrams?
That's terrible play for a final.”
There were six answers - that's fifteen possible groups. Time-consuming and tough, under pressure, to keep track of which you've done. I don't think it was unreasonable to look for other groups to narrow it down first.
Originally Posted by SimonK01:
“There were six answers - that's fifteen possible groups. Time-consuming and tough, under pressure, to keep track of which you've done. I don't think it was unreasonable to look for other groups to narrow it down first.”
“There were six answers - that's fifteen possible groups. Time-consuming and tough, under pressure, to keep track of which you've done. I don't think it was unreasonable to look for other groups to narrow it down first.”
I think it's 30 groups actually, but for a point in a low-scoring final, where nothing else obvious was jumping out at them, then one of the team absolutely had to be working through the possible combinations.
Originally Posted by C Horse:
“Because it's huge odds of picking 4 from 6 (help, please mathematicians!!)
I believe it's 6 factorial divided by 4 factorial times 2 factorial ... which is about 120-1?”
“Because it's huge odds of picking 4 from 6 (help, please mathematicians!!)
I believe it's 6 factorial divided by 4 factorial times 2 factorial ... which is about 120-1?”
What do you mean 120-1?
They get as many guesses as they want, not just one. I believe there are 30 possible options, which in the circumstances, one of them should have been working through. I certainly was when I played the wall beforehand online, and I was playing by myself, not in a team of three.
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“What do you mean 120-1?
They get as many guesses as they want, not just one. I believe there are 30 possible options, which in the circumstances, one of them should have been working through. I certainly was when I played the wall beforehand online, and I was playing by myself, not in a team of three.”
“What do you mean 120-1?
They get as many guesses as they want, not just one. I believe there are 30 possible options, which in the circumstances, one of them should have been working through. I certainly was when I played the wall beforehand online, and I was playing by myself, not in a team of three.”
The order of the items isn't important so we want combinations, not permutations. Drawing r items from n things has n!/(n-r)!r! combinations so 6!/4!/2! which is (6x5)/2 or 15.
Victoria announced at the end of tonight's show, that OC is moving to BBC 2 from series 10! Stick it on after University Challenge when it comes back and we'll have the Monday quiz hour! 
Originally Posted by doe_a_deer:
“What do you mean 120-1?
They get as many guesses as they want, not just one. I believe there are 30 possible options, which in the circumstances, one of them should have been working through. I certainly was when I played the wall beforehand online, and I was playing by myself, not in a team of three.”
“What do you mean 120-1?
They get as many guesses as they want, not just one. I believe there are 30 possible options, which in the circumstances, one of them should have been working through. I certainly was when I played the wall beforehand online, and I was playing by myself, not in a team of three.”
Originally Posted by ukcarter:
“The order of the items isn't important so we want combinations, not permutations. Drawing r items from n things has n!/(n-r)!r! combinations so 6!/4!/2! which is (6x5)/2 or 15.”
“The order of the items isn't important so we want combinations, not permutations. Drawing r items from n things has n!/(n-r)!r! combinations so 6!/4!/2! which is (6x5)/2 or 15.”
And this is what is great about DS.
Thank you very much, ukcarter, for explaining the maths ... it was a long time ago for me, and you have educated me!!
As for the other comment, well, that added nothing to my education, but merely to my opinion of the author
Originally Posted by ukcarter:
“The order of the items isn't important so we want combinations, not permutations. Drawing r items from n things has n!/(n-r)!r! combinations so 6!/4!/2! which is (6x5)/2 or 15.”
“The order of the items isn't important so we want combinations, not permutations. Drawing r items from n things has n!/(n-r)!r! combinations so 6!/4!/2! which is (6x5)/2 or 15.”
Yeah, you are right, it's 15, not 30. That makes it even worse than I first thought that they didn't work through them!!!
Originally Posted by the teddy bear:
“Victoria announced at the end of tonight's show, that OC is moving to BBC 2 from series 10! Stick it on after University Challenge when it comes back and we'll have the Monday quiz hour!”
“Victoria announced at the end of tonight's show, that OC is moving to BBC 2 from series 10! Stick it on after University Challenge when it comes back and we'll have the Monday quiz hour!
”
Got a feeling that's what may happen, schedule-wise.
If not after UC, perhaps after Mastermind.
Originally Posted by atg:
“The problem with this question is that the uniqueness of countries' English names last letters is not something that anybody really ever thinks about, or particularly wants to. Is it possible that it is only in the esoteric world of professional quizzing you ever get asked questions such as "Which is the only country that ends with an 'h'?" because you have to come up with ever more obscure trivia to try to separate the top few, and that when it translates to a popular tv quiz nobody else actually gives a damn?”
“The problem with this question is that the uniqueness of countries' English names last letters is not something that anybody really ever thinks about, or particularly wants to. Is it possible that it is only in the esoteric world of professional quizzing you ever get asked questions such as "Which is the only country that ends with an 'h'?" because you have to come up with ever more obscure trivia to try to separate the top few, and that when it translates to a popular tv quiz nobody else actually gives a damn?”
Similar example with tonight's question with the first four countries arranged alphabetically. This to me is another of these "so what" facts that only gets learned by rote by professional quizzers, and isn't particularly useful or interesting to know otherwise. Ah well, it helped get them their win.
Originally Posted by the teddy bear:
“Victoria announced at the end of tonight's show, that OC is moving to BBC 2 from series 10! Stick it on after University Challenge when it comes back and we'll have the Monday quiz hour!”
“Victoria announced at the end of tonight's show, that OC is moving to BBC 2 from series 10! Stick it on after University Challenge when it comes back and we'll have the Monday quiz hour!
”
There was a good programme on BBC2 about how the University Challenge teams are selected, second part tomorrow.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Yes! I correctly guessed Italian names for German Cities.
Come on, teams - Berlino.”
“Yes! I correctly guessed Italian names for German Cities.
Come on, teams - Berlino.”
So what do they call Monaco then?
Very poor series winners again, following on from the last winners.
Something unlikeable about the team captain.
I thought we were told the team going 2nd on the wall don't get to see the 1st team's attempt on their wall? They do going by the captain's comment upon seeing their wall.
Something unlikeable about the team captain.
I thought we were told the team going 2nd on the wall don't get to see the 1st team's attempt on their wall? They do going by the captain's comment upon seeing their wall.
No, "we've got anagrams again" was referring to their earlier heat where they had anagrams in their wall. The second team never sees the first team play.
Originally Posted by Willpurry:
“I was under the impression that Oswald had been established long ago by JFK researchers to have only shot Officer Tippitt. He was seen elsewhere in the book depository at the time of the assassination.”
“I was under the impression that Oswald had been established long ago by JFK researchers to have only shot Officer Tippitt. He was seen elsewhere in the book depository at the time of the assassination.”
OMG, no he wasn't. Sorry but the conspiracy theories have been debunked. Time to get real. Oswald did it.
Originally Posted by C Horse:
“She seems to take a starring role in the programme, and someone (whether it's her or an editor) wants to squeeze her into the tightest clothing.
Perhaps if she didn't promote her attributes as much (and she has toned down since she became VCM), there would be fewer comments”
“She seems to take a starring role in the programme, and someone (whether it's her or an editor) wants to squeeze her into the tightest clothing.
Perhaps if she didn't promote her attributes as much (and she has toned down since she became VCM), there would be fewer comments”
In VCMs defence - she's a fairly short, slim woman with ample assets. Any dress which isn't so tight across the upper body will be tent-like from the waist down (and likely too long). Any dress which fits her hips & waist will then be tight across the chest. It's not entirely VCMs fault.
Originally Posted by JBO:
“Very poor series winners again, following on from the last winners.
Something unlikeable about the team captain.
I thought we were told the team going 2nd on the wall don't get to see the 1st team's attempt on their wall? They do going by the captain's comment upon seeing their wall.”
“Very poor series winners again, following on from the last winners.
Something unlikeable about the team captain.
I thought we were told the team going 2nd on the wall don't get to see the 1st team's attempt on their wall? They do going by the captain's comment upon seeing their wall.”
Haven't they given both teams the same wall in the final in the past?
The first wall was completely impossible to my mind... I didn't even get close. I just sat there staring at it! The second however I solved in under 45 seconds.
Once you know there's anagrams in there with a few extra options (5 or 6) then you can start looking for the ones that are likely the red herrings. You need only pair one with another group, even before you know what all that group is.
Once you know there's anagrams in there with a few extra options (5 or 6) then you can start looking for the ones that are likely the red herrings. You need only pair one with another group, even before you know what all that group is.
It was sneaky to have a poker term as one of the words in the wall. I got the "card" connection easily but had never hear of a hole card.
Originally Posted by atg:
“So what do they call Monaco then?”
“So what do they call Monaco then?”
Principato di Monaco
So, if you're an Italian traveller, you'll need to be specific with your travel agent. Or you'll end up like that lass who went to Grenada instead of Granada.
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