But would "Er.. a song with the word Red in its title" be allowed?
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Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“This is where I fundamentally disagree. The answer being sought was a song with the word winter in its title. That's the answer. Not an exhaustive and comprehensive recollection of his discography, just 'a song with the word winter in its title'. That's what that particular question was looking for. If they could come up with a genuine title, there were entitled to be smug, but they didn't need to and didn't. They met the requirement of the question which was to identify the sequence and correctly said that the 4th panel would contain a song with winter in its title. It's not rewarding ignorance, it's rewarding their ability to extrapolate an answer from the previous clues. Unless I'm mistaken VC didn't specifically ask 'what song title...', she normally says 'what's the 4th in the sequence', which leaves enough ambiguity for her & maybe the producer in her left lug-hole to allow answers of this nature. Spot the link, not some specific song title. The link was seasons in song titles.”
“This is where I fundamentally disagree. The answer being sought was a song with the word winter in its title. That's the answer. Not an exhaustive and comprehensive recollection of his discography, just 'a song with the word winter in its title'. That's what that particular question was looking for. If they could come up with a genuine title, there were entitled to be smug, but they didn't need to and didn't. They met the requirement of the question which was to identify the sequence and correctly said that the 4th panel would contain a song with winter in its title. It's not rewarding ignorance, it's rewarding their ability to extrapolate an answer from the previous clues. Unless I'm mistaken VC didn't specifically ask 'what song title...', she normally says 'what's the 4th in the sequence', which leaves enough ambiguity for her & maybe the producer in her left lug-hole to allow answers of this nature. Spot the link, not some specific song title. The link was seasons in song titles.”
I'm just gobsmacked. The clues were songs, so the answer logically has to be either a song, and yes I would give them the point if they sang it, or a song title. This was not exactly an obscure one either. You might reasonably expect them to have heard of it.
How you can twist yourself in logical knots with all that guff to back up a mistaken premise (the bit in bold is completely false as it has been stated by the host repeatedly and is in the rules that they are not required to know the sequence but merely the contents of the 4th box) is beyond me.
What you are saying is that the team was required, for the point(s), to state no more than that winter follows autumn.
I don't know if anyone saw Q1 just now, but what was the connection that Jack Whitehall just shouted out in the clip with Victoria Coren? (Thanks!)
Originally Posted by billykubrick:
“I don't know if anyone saw Q1 just now, but what was the connection that Jack Whitehall just shouted out in the clip with Victoria Coren? (Thanks!)”
“I don't know if anyone saw Q1 just now, but what was the connection that Jack Whitehall just shouted out in the clip with Victoria Coren? (Thanks!)”
Just realised I have posted in the Only Connect thread rather than QI
Originally Posted by billykubrick:
“I don't know if anyone saw Q1 just now, but what was the connection that Jack Whitehall just shouted out in the clip with Victoria Coren? (Thanks!)”
“I don't know if anyone saw Q1 just now, but what was the connection that Jack Whitehall just shouted out in the clip with Victoria Coren? (Thanks!)”
They all had ghostwriters.
Originally Posted by atg:
“I'm just gobsmacked. The clues were songs, so the answer logically has to be either a song, and yes I would give them the point if they sang it, or a song title. This was not exactly an obscure one either. You might reasonably expect them to have heard of it.
How you can twist yourself in logical knots with all that guff to back up a mistaken premise (the bit in bold is completely false as it has been stated by the host repeatedly and is in the rules that they are not required to know the sequence but merely the contents of the 4th box) is beyond me.
What you are saying is that the team was required, for the point(s), to state no more than that winter follows autumn.”
“I'm just gobsmacked. The clues were songs, so the answer logically has to be either a song, and yes I would give them the point if they sang it, or a song title. This was not exactly an obscure one either. You might reasonably expect them to have heard of it.
How you can twist yourself in logical knots with all that guff to back up a mistaken premise (the bit in bold is completely false as it has been stated by the host repeatedly and is in the rules that they are not required to know the sequence but merely the contents of the 4th box) is beyond me.
What you are saying is that the team was required, for the point(s), to state no more than that winter follows autumn.”
Blimey.
You win. You win this argument, the internet, a night out with VC and the eternal gratitude of pedants the world over. It really is important to you; you're welcome to claim the win. Personally I deleted the episode long ago. It was a question in a tv quiz.
Heavens above.
I took the answer as OK because they said a SONG with the word winter in it, not a car with the word winter in it such as with winter tyres, not a painting with a winter scene, not a house in winter covered in snow.
What's the connection? They got it right - both a SONG and WINTER, not just the word winter which it would be if it was just winter following spring, summer and autumn. Any song with the word winter in it is right, they just didn't give a specific name of one.
Same with the red question. Very often VC will say "Yes. We had ............" when the team have given a different valid answer to the one they had in their minds as she did with "Lady in Red". This time she said "Yes, any song with winter in its name." because they got the connection song and winter.
Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.
What's the connection? They got it right - both a SONG and WINTER, not just the word winter which it would be if it was just winter following spring, summer and autumn. Any song with the word winter in it is right, they just didn't give a specific name of one.
Same with the red question. Very often VC will say "Yes. We had ............" when the team have given a different valid answer to the one they had in their minds as she did with "Lady in Red". This time she said "Yes, any song with winter in its name." because they got the connection song and winter.
Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“Blimey.
You win. You win this argument, the internet, a night out with VC and the eternal gratitude of pedants the world over. It really is important to you; you're welcome to claim the win. Personally I deleted the episode long ago. It was a question in a tv quiz.
Heavens above.”
“Blimey.
You win. You win this argument, the internet, a night out with VC and the eternal gratitude of pedants the world over. It really is important to you; you're welcome to claim the win. Personally I deleted the episode long ago. It was a question in a tv quiz.
Heavens above.”
Wouldn't it be easier to just say "Yes I accept now that I was talking nonsense", without wrapping it up in that patronising crap? This is just a discussion on an internet forum, nobody has "won" anything. Only you think this is some kind of pedantry contest. I'm just more and more amazed at the logical gymnastics some will go to to convince themselves that not giving an answer is somehow right. And amused by it.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“I took the answer as OK because they said a SONG with the word winter in it, not a car with the word winter in it such as with winter tyres, not a painting with a winter scene, not a house in winter covered in snow.
What's the connection? They got it right - both a SONG and WINTER, not just the word winter which it would be if it was just winter following spring, summer and autumn. Any song with the word winter in it is right, they just didn't give a specific name of one.
Same with the red question. Very often VC will say "Yes. We had ............" when the team have given a different valid answer to the one they had in their minds as she did with "Lady in Red". This time she said "Yes, any song with winter in its name." because they got the connection song and winter.
Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.”
“I took the answer as OK because they said a SONG with the word winter in it, not a car with the word winter in it such as with winter tyres, not a painting with a winter scene, not a house in winter covered in snow.
What's the connection? They got it right - both a SONG and WINTER, not just the word winter which it would be if it was just winter following spring, summer and autumn. Any song with the word winter in it is right, they just didn't give a specific name of one.
Same with the red question. Very often VC will say "Yes. We had ............" when the team have given a different valid answer to the one they had in their minds as she did with "Lady in Red". This time she said "Yes, any song with winter in its name." because they got the connection song and winter.
Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.”
Brilliant. So now apparently because they recognised that what they had heard were a sequence of different SONGS, rather than seen CARS, PAINTINGS or HOUSES, so that they knew the answer was likely to be a SONG of some sort, coupled with knowing that winter comes after autumn, that means it was a right answer, even though they hadn't a clue what the song was. This is the topic that just keeps on giving.
When she accepts a different valid answer, that is (or should be at least) because there are two or more genuine valid answers, and they have properly stated one of them.
Originally Posted by atg:
“Wouldn't it be easier to just say "Yes I accept now that I was talking nonsense", without wrapping it up in that patronising crap? This is just a discussion on an internet forum, nobody has "won" anything. Only you think this is some kind of pedantry contest. I'm just more and more amazed at the logical gymnastics some will go to to convince themselves that not giving an answer is somehow right. And amused by it.”
“Wouldn't it be easier to just say "Yes I accept now that I was talking nonsense", without wrapping it up in that patronising crap? This is just a discussion on an internet forum, nobody has "won" anything. Only you think this is some kind of pedantry contest. I'm just more and more amazed at the logical gymnastics some will go to to convince themselves that not giving an answer is somehow right. And amused by it.”
You are probably the worst case that I've ever encountered of a dog with a bone that just won't let go. You think what you think, i think what I think. I'm happy to concede that you may well be right, but your antangonism and pedantry is off the scale for what is nothing more than a televised parlour game.
Enjoy the spoils of victory.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.”
“Some people can be just toooooo picky about a light-hearted entertainment show.”
Well this is a bit of a strange accusation. I mean, it doesn't present itself as a light hearted entertainment show does it? Perhaps if they stopped going on about how hard it's supposed to be I wouldn't be so bothered by it. And is it really so much more light hearted in character than UC or Mastermind, or even Pointless or Eggheads that give away cash prizes, but are all regardless of that actually quite stringent on accepting proper answers?
Surely you have to expect some sort of integrity on a prime time bbc programme, or why bother having real answers to questions and give points away at all? Let's just get proper celebrities in who can get laughs for stupid answers and put it on Saturday night.
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“You are probably the worst case that I've ever encountered of a dog with a bone that just won't let go. You think what you think, i think what I think. I'm happy to concede that you may well be right, but your antangonism and pedantry is off the scale for what is nothing more than a televised parlour game.
Enjoy the spoils of victory.”
“You are probably the worst case that I've ever encountered of a dog with a bone that just won't let go. You think what you think, i think what I think. I'm happy to concede that you may well be right, but your antangonism and pedantry is off the scale for what is nothing more than a televised parlour game.
Enjoy the spoils of victory.”
This is just an internet forum. Don't take it sooooo seriously.
Have a nice evening.
Thank the Lord there is a new episode tonight and we can get back to sensible things like drooling over the lovely Victoria, failing to differentiate between the correct answers and the red herrings on the wall and shouting out loud at the TV in the missing vowels round. 'Wintergate' is over - shall we move on??
Originally Posted by atg:
“Well this is a bit of a strange accusation. I mean, it doesn't present itself as a light hearted entertainment show does it? Perhaps if they stopped going on about how hard it's supposed to be I wouldn't be so bothered by it. And is it really so much more light hearted in character than UC or Mastermind, or even Pointless or Eggheads that give away cash prizes, but are all regardless of that actually quite stringent on accepting proper answers?
Surely you have to expect some sort of integrity on a prime time bbc programme, or why bother having real answers to questions and give points away at all? Let's just get proper celebrities in who can get laughs for stupid answers and put it on Saturday night.”
“Well this is a bit of a strange accusation. I mean, it doesn't present itself as a light hearted entertainment show does it? Perhaps if they stopped going on about how hard it's supposed to be I wouldn't be so bothered by it. And is it really so much more light hearted in character than UC or Mastermind, or even Pointless or Eggheads that give away cash prizes, but are all regardless of that actually quite stringent on accepting proper answers?
Surely you have to expect some sort of integrity on a prime time bbc programme, or why bother having real answers to questions and give points away at all? Let's just get proper celebrities in who can get laughs for stupid answers and put it on Saturday night.”
For me anything which doesn't kill or injure you or one of your family or friends is light hearted. As is anything which doesn't cause war or famine. When did Only Connect cause any of those?
There are times to be serious and times not to take things seriously at all.
Originally Posted by Janet43:
“For me anything which doesn't kill or injure you or one of your family or friends is light hearted. As is anything which doesn't cause war or famine. When did Only Connect cause any of those?
There are times to be serious and times not to take things seriously at all.”
“For me anything which doesn't kill or injure you or one of your family or friends is light hearted. As is anything which doesn't cause war or famine. When did Only Connect cause any of those?
There are times to be serious and times not to take things seriously at all.”
I promise you I am not taking it seriously at all. I quite enjoy discussing these things on an internet discussion forum. If I were taking it seriously I'd have sent a formal complaint to the bbc.
Unfortunately some people seem to need to criticise the person rather than the opinion.
Yes, obviously everybody would be happier ogling the presenter. Sad, but carry on.
No, honest guys, it's the other dude who's the mad guy who's taking it too seriously. I am totally calm and unaffected. Here is 40,000 words about how he's wrong. Which obviously I wrote in a state of Stoical apatheia. The other guy, though, he's a frothing loony.
Originally Posted by atg:
“I promise you I am not taking it seriously at all.”
“I promise you I am not taking it seriously at all.”
Really? So your posts on the subject (16 so far and counting) continually repeating your points isn't 'taking it seriously'? Hmmmm.
see posts 2219, 2238, 41,55,56,57,58,63,64,77,84,85,87,88 & this one 2291. Not taking it seriously one jot....
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“I quite enjoy discussing these things on an internet discussion forum. If I were taking it seriously I'd have sent a formal complaint to the bbc.”
“I quite enjoy discussing these things on an internet discussion forum. If I were taking it seriously I'd have sent a formal complaint to the bbc.”
You may quite enjoy it but have another read of your posts - I've listed them for you, just because I have 5 minutes and wondered. The tone of them varies between belligerence and disbelief, which is quite some achievement for someone claiming to enjoy debating, as opposed to banging on about it insisting on being right.
Did you notice btw how many people agreed with you? I did, but only after getting bored with it. I don't see many other replies saying crikey yes you're right, how lapse of me not to have noticed that.
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“Unfortunately some people seem to need to criticise the person rather than the opinion.”
“Unfortunately some people seem to need to criticise the person rather than the opinion.”
see above.
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“Yes, obviously everybody would be happier ogling the presenter. Sad, but carry on.”
“Yes, obviously everybody would be happier ogling the presenter. Sad, but carry on.”
I think smart, sassy & off the scale on the intelligence dept applies but her costume designer & wardrobe asst needs a quiet word maybe. Ogle? Sorry mate, no. Admire her for lots of reasons? Yup, but not as much as Mitchell D for snagging her.
Enjoy.
Well somebody's obsessed, aren't they
(Did you count up all the posts by everybody else on the subject?)
(Did you count up all the posts by everybody else on the subject?)
Originally Posted by Oicho Throw:
“The other guy, though, he's a frothing loony.”
“The other guy, though, he's a frothing loony.”
Funny, you posted this before seeing SnrDev's last offering.
No, just yours. It only took a minute or two.
You still stand by your claim that you aren't taking it seriously and that it really is just a debate? Or will you sidestep the point again?
You still stand by your claim that you aren't taking it seriously and that it really is just a debate? Or will you sidestep the point again?
Originally Posted by atg:
“Funny, you posted this before seeing SnrDev's last offering.”
“Funny, you posted this before seeing SnrDev's last offering.”
You do know how much effort it takes to scan through looking for your posts? Approximately zero. Compare & contrast with 16 belligerent / disbelieving posts on whether a song with winter in it is acceptable as an answer.
Just saying like...
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
“No, just yours. It only took a minute or two.
You still stand by your claim that you aren't taking it seriously and that it really is just a debate? Or will you sidestep the point again?”
“No, just yours. It only took a minute or two.
You still stand by your claim that you aren't taking it seriously and that it really is just a debate? Or will you sidestep the point again?”
Oh I do. And I only tend to respond to other people who bother to reply to me. You might have a point about "banging on" about this if I only carried it on without anybody else's input. And I do try to post opinions about the programme, rather than the posting patterns of another poster on what is, in case you had forgotten, an internet discussion forum.
It does seem that plenty are interested in the discussion. You on the other hand, and your new friend, only seem to be interested in trying to post personal insults aimed at me.
Please try to stick to the topic of the thread, as I intend to do. And I never try to sidestep anything, whatever that even means.
Originally Posted by SnrDev:
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Just saying like...”
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Just saying like...
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Yes, I know you keep saying. It's not as if you're like a dog with a bone, banging on and on about something are you?
And I completely refute your assertion that I have been in any way antagonistic about this. Yes I put across my own opinion, and try to point out where others might be wrong, and why, but you are the only one who has been deliberately provocative, in a personal way.
Sorry as I am to interrupt this incredibly riveting discussion...
That world cup winning captains question was an absolute sod
That world cup winning captains question was an absolute sod
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