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I know we don't get into these type of discussion so much anymore here, but this is where I would rather have these in-depth discussions, so here goes...
I was just thinking about the beginning of S4 (specifically E1) and Martin's decision to try to tame his blood issue and go back to London. I was wondering if Martin subconsciously had an idea that a secondary reason to move back to London would be to occasionally "get a glimpse" of Louisa. In that small village, he had to know where she went when she left, and maybe deep down inside of him he thought that he could accomplish several things by returning to London. Returning to surgery, the only thing he was ever good at, getting out of Portwenn, which had become unbearable because there was no chance at getting a glimpse of her (and I suspect the mistaken identity in the school was not the first time it had happened), and just knowing he would be in the same city with her and perhaps find ways to "accidentally" run into her. Anyone else ever had this thought? Am I way off-base? |
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mmDerdekea - Mona
1. I agree - you would think there is a Buffalo Pictures Code of Propriety in place for this series. For crying out loud, Morwenna has seen more skin of DM than Louisa! They could start off with a outdoor shot of their bedroom window open and curtains blowing and you could hear "Oh, Martin!" and "Oh, Louisa". Or a bedroom scene with each turned towards the other and some conversation transpiring (with the doc's pajama top open, of course!) 2. I don't know about JH crawling around. I am keeping in mind all the cameras and wires on the floor in that space of them shooting the scene. Although I have to admit they are having more "on air" time with the babies than any other series I have seen. When my children were toddlers we had a playpen (I think that is outmoded or illegal now). When I was a child, mothers had a harness on the toddler with a strap attached for the mum to keep the little one from wandering off. 3. Totally agree. In fact, the pirate joke took me by surprise. 4. Tense life saving situations - nothing has come close for me as S1E6 - Haemophobia. - Peter's ruptured spleen and that scene in the ambulance. The music, the ambulance siren, the doc's jacket off, shirt sleeves rolled up, the doc gathering himself together to perform the emergency procedure to save the life of Peter. We saw a bunch of babies in the library class DM went to and they all survived lighting, sound and such contraptions all about. I really want to see JH on the floor, playing, with LG and/or DM watching or interactive with him. I want to see him be more a typical baby, so I can see DM/LG developing as parents. Oh, as for tense lifesaving situations--working on Holly on the floor was great; even working on that overweight child who was wrongly given the ritalin, after she went through the glass door; working on that guy who fell down the stairs after he got sick eating the nasty game; save the principal who walked into the sea. I consider all those a type of heroic moment. I'd like to see more of them, when DM puts aside his gruff personality and is the savior of the day. I love that stuff. It's part of what made me, and LG, fall in love with Doc Martin. We had it in S6 with him sewing up the carotid artery, which was great, and also wheel barrowing the wounded man how far up the road; but I'd like to see DM do that without having first CAUSED the injury to begin with!
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I know we don't get into these type of discussion so much anymore here, but this is where I would rather have these in-depth discussions, so here goes...
I was just thinking about the beginning of S4 (specifically E1) and Martin's decision to try to tame his blood issue and go back to London. I was wondering if Martin subconsciously had an idea that a secondary reason to move back to London would be to occasionally "get a glimpse" of Louisa. In that small village, he had to know where she went when she left, and maybe deep down inside of him he thought that he could accomplish several things by returning to London. Returning to surgery, the only thing he was ever good at, getting out of Portwenn, which had become unbearable because there was no chance at getting a glimpse of her (and I suspect the mistaken identity in the school was not the first time it had happened), and just knowing he would be in the same city with her and perhaps find ways to "accidentally" run into her. Anyone else ever had this thought? Am I way off-base? I just think that Portwenn has become intolerable to him, and he hopes that by returning to his life as a surgeon, that aching void will be somewhat more tolerable. |
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I know we don't get into these type of discussion so much anymore here, but this is where I would rather have these in-depth discussions, so here goes...
I was just thinking about the beginning of S4 (specifically E1) and Martin's decision to try to tame his blood issue and go back to London. I was wondering if Martin subconsciously had an idea that a secondary reason to move back to London would be to occasionally "get a glimpse" of Louisa. In that small village, he had to know where she went when she left, and maybe deep down inside of him he thought that he could accomplish several things by returning to London. Returning to surgery, the only thing he was ever good at, getting out of Portwenn, which had become unbearable because there was no chance at getting a glimpse of her (and I suspect the mistaken identity in the school was not the first time it had happened), and just knowing he would be in the same city with her and perhaps find ways to "accidentally" run into her. Anyone else ever had this thought? Am I way off-base?
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I know that "wires on the floor" concern has been brought up before, but there are plenty of babies in Hollywood and as far as I know none have been electrocuted by sloppy electrical disasters.
We saw a bunch of babies in the library class DM went to and they all survived lighting, sound and such contraptions all about. I really want to see JH on the floor, playing, with LG and/or DM watching or interactive with him. I want to see him be more a typical baby, so I can see DM/LG developing as parents. Oh, as for tense lifesaving situations--working on Holly on the floor was great; even working on that overweight child who was wrongly given the ritalin, after she went through the glass door; working on that guy who fell down the stairs after he got sick eating the nasty game; save the principal who walked into the sea. I consider all those a type of heroic moment. I'd like to see more of them, when DM puts aside his gruff personality and is the savior of the day. I love that stuff. It's part of what made me, and LG, fall in love with Doc Martin. We had it in S6 with him sewing up the carotid artery, which was great, and also wheel barrowing the wounded man how far up the road; but I'd like to see DM do that without having first CAUSED the injury to begin with! ![]()
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Points about baby and parenting behavior well taken. Love your list of DM's heroic moments; would like to add going over the cliff to drill a hole in the baker's head in "On the Edge."
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Points about baby and parenting behavior well taken. Love your list of DM's heroic moments; would like to add going over the cliff to drill a hole in the baker's head in "On the Edge."
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Danny's pneumothorax........brilliant and decisive.
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Oh, yes, absolutely. As one of the few who ADORE "On The Edge", one of my all-time favorite DM episodes, I can't believe I forgot that scene. It was so heroic, especially when he then grabbed the shotgun out of Jonathan's hand and wouldn't give it back, and then flew the explosives over the cliff and blew up the rare birds.
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You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. So many reasons. LG's father showing up, and learning about the back story between them. DM asking LG on a date, only to be ignored! The "Doctor's Friend" providing such an excellent foil for DM's dourness and later providing an heroic moment for LG when she stuck up for DM. And DM's medical heroics, as mentioned earlier. Oh, and let's not forget the comic byplay between DM and the Colonel! Such a jewel of an episode!
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You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. So many reasons. LG's father showing up, and learning about the back story between them. DM asking LG on a date, only to be ignored! The "Doctor's Friend" providing such an excellent foil for DM's dourness and later providing an heroic moment for LG when she stuck up for DM. And DM's medical heroics, as mentioned earlier. Oh, and let's not forget the comic byplay between DM and the Colonel! Such a jewel of an episode!
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Americans get it?
In a behind the scenes interview, PB said that for some reason, and she did not know why, American DM fans 'get' the "soft" side of Martin better than other viewers.
Interesting. Agree? Not? I think I saw his soft side from the very first. Rob |
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In a behind the scenes interview, PB said that for some reason, and she did not know why, American DM fans 'get' the "soft" side of Martin better than other viewers.
Interesting. Agree? Not? I think I saw his soft side from the very first. Rob |
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In a behind the scenes interview, PB said that for some reason, and she did not know why, American DM fans 'get' the "soft" side of Martin better than other viewers.
Interesting. Agree? Not? I think I saw his soft side from the very first. Rob |
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You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. So many reasons. LG's father showing up, and learning about the back story between them. DM asking LG on a date, only to be ignored! The "Doctor's Friend" providing such an excellent foil for DM's dourness and later providing an heroic moment for LG when she stuck up for DM. And DM's medical heroics, as mentioned earlier. Oh, and let's not forget the comic byplay between DM and the Colonel! Such a jewel of an episode!
What I love about "On The Edge": 1. It's funny--the office scene with Jonathan is HILARIOUS: DM's idiotic asking Jonathan to give the gun, so he can be tranquilized while the police are called; the failed throwing of the plugged in lamp; DM vomiting over his exam couch and LG's Dad asking "You alright, love?"; the whole "Super!" scene walking Gavin to the door; 2. The back and forth with DM and LG--he isn't apologizing for the "stalker remark" but then he is giving her a card and asking her to dinner... 3. Learning more of LG's back story 4. DM action man--in the office, of course on the cliff. 5. The ENTIRE cliff scene from start to finish was magnificent! Flawless in writing and action. 6. Superb acting by everyone in the episode. 7. WONDERFUL script and WONDERFUL plot. 8. Fun to watch: there's tension, betrayal, humor, mental illness, gruffness, it's got all emotions involved. 9. Greatest insult EVER in the whole DM series, which Zarwen wrote above. 10. More humor--DM's odd birthday card to LG, the ice cream cone in the head; wiping off the bird sh*t with Gavin's business card; telling Gavin, "one minute" and then walking away and going inside. 11. The "I want to be a fly on the wall" scene--after LG tells DM she doesn't want him to leave PW, we cannot hear their further conversation through the consulting room door! WHAT DID THEY SAY? Even Pauline wants to know! 12. The story is touching--LG finding out her dad really did steal the money, he is a cad, although he does, in his own way, love her. And, her defending DM at the meeting. For me, "On the Edge" is just about the best 1.5 hours of TV I ever saw. I don't care at all about the duller photography, although I know others make it a huge problem to them. To be honest, I never even noticed it because I just watch the episode and entirely love it. Mona |
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In a behind the scenes interview, PB said that for some reason, and she did not know why, American DM fans 'get' the "soft" side of Martin better than other viewers.
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Agree about his soft side being not difficult to see. Curious why PB thinks this.
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Agree about his soft side being not difficult to see. Curious why PB thinks this.
Please realize that I'm being tongue in cheek here and don't know what night or time Broadchurch is on or if there would be snooker.....I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Sorry |
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In series 6 Louisa didn't call Martin to a bunch of emergencies at the school like she did in series 5.
They only used the school in episode 2, and then outside in the school yard in episode 7. Maybe the school wasn't available for filming in or something. We didn't get "Louisa the Teacher/Head Mistress" so much in this series. Series 6 was more about Louisa and Martin and their home life. I wonder if BP decided that scenes at the school would detract from that. The only big medical rescues were the "farmer" and Louisa in the final ep. In series 6 they stepped away from the tried and true formulas of the previous five. In the end, though, I really liked it. It was almost like it was a new show. I hope they continue to develop and try new things in future series. In ep 2, Louisa is pretty freaked out by Mike when she comes home and he has rearranged her kitchen. I didn't see that until I watched it last night on television. I think that is why she doesn't want Martin to ask him to come back. She is angered by that and frustrated that Martin ran off Mel the nanny. It was plain as day to me that Mike was a better fit, but now I can see that it could be disturbing to come home and find that the babysitter had gone through all my kitchen cupboards. |
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Being shown on PBS has given the show an enormous head start with a higher calibre viewer than they would have just being a regular show in Britain. It's snobby, but PBS viewers tend to be more sophisticated that the average Joe. These type of people tend to watch and study works more than normal. In Britain it's on ITV and is just a part of the evening argument whether to watch Snooker or Broadchurch.....they watch it as a funny show where the guy with the ears is really grumpy. I could put that in quotes...it's what a British couple said to me about it down in Panama last summer...funny.
Please realize that I'm being tongue in cheek here and don't know what night or time Broadchurch is on or if there would be snooker.....I hope you get the gist of what I'm saying. Sorry WETA began running series 6 last weekend, and it is repeated on WETA-UK throughout the week. I am so happy I can watch series 6 a few times every week for the next month. I'm sure there are other people here in Washington doing the same thing. |
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Right, Zarwen!
What I love about "On The Edge": 1. It's funny--the office scene with Jonathan is HILARIOUS: DM's idiotic asking Jonathan to give the gun, so he can be tranquilized while the police are called; the failed throwing of the plugged in lamp; DM vomiting over his exam couch and LG's Dad asking "You alright, love?"; the whole "Super!" scene walking Gavin to the door; 2. The back and forth with DM and LG--he isn't apologizing for the "stalker remark" but then he is giving her a card and asking her to dinner... 3. Learning more of LG's back story 4. DM action man--in the office, of course on the cliff. 5. The ENTIRE cliff scene from start to finish was magnificent! Flawless in writing and action. 6. Superb acting by everyone in the episode. 7. WONDERFUL script and WONDERFUL plot. 8. Fun to watch: there's tension, betrayal, humor, mental illness, gruffness, it's got all emotions involved. 9. Greatest insult EVER in the whole DM series, which Zarwen wrote above. 10. More humor--DM's odd birthday card to LG, the ice cream cone in the head; wiping off the bird sh*t with Gavin's business card; telling Gavin, "one minute" and then walking away and going inside. 11. The "I want to be a fly on the wall" scene--after LG tells DM she doesn't want him to leave PW, we cannot hear their further conversation through the consulting room door! WHAT DID THEY SAY? Even Pauline wants to know! 12. The story is touching--LG finding out her dad really did steal the money, he is a cad, although he does, in his own way, love her. And, her defending DM at the meeting. For me, "On the Edge" is just about the best 1.5 hours of TV I ever saw. I don't care at all about the duller photography, although I know others make it a huge problem to them. To be honest, I never even noticed it because I just watch the episode and entirely love it. Mona Totally agree about the photography; never bothered me in the slightest, and will never begin to understand why it bothers other people. Thinking about all the brilliance that went into the scripts for this 2-part episode brings to mind MC's oft-repeated statement about how hard it is to get it right for this show. In this one, they really, really got it right. Such a stark contrast with what we have been treated to for the past three seasons. I'd gladly take a few more like "On the Edge" no matter how bad the photography---I'd watch if it were in B&W! |
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Mona, thanks for extending the list of great moments! But I cannot take credit for the insult---that was our friend Mofromco!
Totally agree about the photography; never bothered me in the slightest, and will never begin to understand why it bothers other people. Thinking about all the brilliance that went into the scripts for this 2-part episode brings to mind MC's oft-repeated statement about how hard it is to get it right for this show. In this one, they really, really got it right. Such a stark contrast with what we have been treated to for the past three seasons. I'd gladly take a few more like "On the Edge" no matter how bad the photography---I'd watch if it were in B&W! |
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In ep 2, Louisa is pretty freaked out by Mike when she comes home and he has rearranged her kitchen. I didn't see that until I watched it last night on television. I think that is why she doesn't want Martin to ask him to come back. She is angered by that and frustrated that Martin ran off Mel the nanny. It was plain as day to me that Mike was a better fit, but now I can see that it could be disturbing to come home and find that the babysitter had gone through all my kitchen cupboards.
And then, when Martin & Louisa are upstairs checking on James (and Martin tells her that he also cleaned the upstairs bathroom!!!), Martin tells Louisa, "Tidy house, tidy mind", and Louisa responds, "But it WAS tidy!" Martin (sort of sarcastically) says, "Yeah". He then bangs his head on the doorframe - which MC says he does to ME when he is being rude. I know a lot of people have complained about Louisa in this series, but I think her initial problem with Mike was that she knew she was messy, but she didn't want a stranger coming in to point it out - and then to also be so good with the baby she had to leave everyday. She eventually got over it and appreciated Mike, but I could understand her emotions during those couple of episodes. |
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I agree - I would have freaked out too. Don't forget, before Mike walked in a few hours before, neither of them had ever heard of him and only took Morwenna's word that he was the guy who fixed their electrics and helped Aunt Ruth get James settled. In fact, if you watch the scene when he walks in the front door, Martin walks up behind Louisa (who is holding James) and his body language looks like he is in "protect" mode from this stranger who just walked in.
And then, when Martin & Louisa are upstairs checking on James (and Martin tells her that he also cleaned the upstairs bathroom!!!), Martin tells Louisa, "Tidy house, tidy mind", and Louisa responds, "But it WAS tidy!" Martin (sort of sarcastically) says, "Yeah". He then bangs his head on the doorframe - which MC says he does to ME when he is being rude. I know a lot of people have complained about Louisa in this series, but I think her initial problem with Mike was that she knew she was messy, but she didn't want a stranger coming in to point it out - and then to also be so good with the baby she had to leave everyday. She eventually got over it and appreciated Mike, but I could understand her emotions during those couple of episodes. I don't even like people loading my dishwasher different to how I do it! And if my husband sided with the offender, that would just be the icing on the cake. Martin has a lot to learn. I thought Louisa's response. all in all, was pretty restrained. |
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My initial reaction to On the Edge was that I didn't like it as much as other episodes. When I re-watched it, I found that the bits between Martin and Louisa were as interesting and fun as other episodes. I quite enjoyed the "doctor's friend" subplot, But I still found the whole sub-plot of the bipolar guy, the gun, being tied to the chair, etc., rather tiresome, actually. But then, I also didn't particularly like a lot of the "honeymoon." To me, sometimes, the show descends into farce that doesn't quite come off. But they have to fill the in the gaps between the M and L bits somehow, and apparently they feel that medical mysteries, the antics of Penhale and complications of Bert's life and Al's love life can only go so far. Personally, I wish they would focus more on the medical mysteries. I know, I'm a grinch.
I mean, we've got a middle-aged couple who is into sado-masochism and injuring the husband all the time. Is that farce? We've got an overweight, insecure and incompetent doctor, who used to be a nurse, unable to diagnose herself with Cushing's and collapsing on the front porch. We've got an emotionally unwell man dressing as his run-away wife, and a tag scene gift of a stuff scary dog to DM. What about Stewart, the emotionally unwell park ranger who talks to Anthony? What about DM breaking the leg of the drunken pastor and then having to help a sow give birth? A Big Yellow Sweater With Martin written on it by Mrs. Tishell Would we call any of those farce? Gosh, the list could go on and on. PW is filled with unusual people with unusual conditions. Jonathan being bipolar was not unique to the show. I felt they played out his illness and the schemes of him and LG's dad very well. So, we can certainly discuss farce, its definitions and how people see it played out on DM, if they do, and if they enjoy it or not. I'd like to hear you expand on the topic. Mona |
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We saw a bunch of babies in the library class DM went to and they all survived lighting, sound and such contraptions all about. I really want to see JH on the floor, playing, with LG and/or DM watching or interactive with him. I want to see him be more a typical baby, so I can see DM/LG developing as parents.
