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It used to be, maybe still is, that in the U.S. "two weeks" was not uncommon for a honeymoon period for a newly married couple. (That was when people were marrying in a traditional way, I guess.)
Is it that way in England? Because I am thinking now of that "two week anniversary" moment in E2, when DM is working on his clock instead of attending to his bride. I think that was the writer's way of saying to us, OK, the honeymoon is over. Now we get down to business. On your previous post, you mentioned about S6. Well, I liked S6 in its mature writing, the different feel to it, deeper thought about each episode (apart from the one with Penhale, which I think we agreed he stepped in to draw it out when MC was recovering). I am convinced one thing this series is NOT going to give us is contentment of DM-LE relationship. Yet, despite this, I feel their relationship is stronger and more loving--does that make sense? I suspect most of us are looking forward to S7 and where it takes us. I think alot of the appeal of this series is MC the actor, his outdoor image as a real person, and who he is in this role. Also, I like the fact that he gives his wife Philippa alot of credit on a number of ocassions for her smarts and getting him interested in the world of horses and how he can unwind with them. |
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Welcome..Igike...it is fun to find people who think like you do...I started watching all of Doc Martin because of my drop dead serious crush on Martin Clunes...which still is in high gear...what is it about this man?....but the more you watch the more you start picking up subtleties and clues and connections in the story. The writers and production people put out a product that is far more intelligent than what is usually made in the US...welcome welcome
And I agree, great work from the writers/producers - hope they outdo themselves on Series 7.
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I don't think the honeymoon ever started. DM wanted to go back to his surgery after the reception until Bert arranged for the married couple to spend an overnight at the lodge. As soon as DM started the fire in the fireplace and they both ran out for some fresh air, that was the end of the honeymoon!!
On your previous post, you mentioned about S6. Well, I liked S6 in its mature writing, the different feel to it, deeper thought about each episode (apart from the one with Penhale, which I think we agreed he stepped in to draw it out when MC was recovering). I am convinced one thing this series is NOT going to give us is contentment of DM-LE relationship. Yet, despite this, I feel their relationship is stronger and more loving--does that make sense? I suspect most of us are looking forward to S7 and where it takes us. I think alot of the appeal of this series is MC the actor, his outdoor image as a real person, and who he is in this role. Also, I like the fact that he gives his wife Philippa alot of credit on a number of ocassions for her smarts and getting him interested in the world of horses and how he can unwind with them. |
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I don't think the honeymoon ever started. DM wanted to go back to his surgery after the reception until Bert arranged for the married couple to spend an overnight at the lodge. As soon as DM started the fire in the fireplace and they both ran out for some fresh air, that was the end of the honeymoon!!
On your previous post, you mentioned about S6. Well, I liked S6 in its mature writing, the different feel to it, deeper thought about each episode (apart from the one with Penhale, which I think we agreed he stepped in to draw it out when MC was recovering). I am convinced one thing this series is NOT going to give us is contentment of DM-LE relationship. Yet, despite this, I feel their relationship is stronger and more loving--does that make sense? I suspect most of us are looking forward to S7 and where it takes us. I think alot of the appeal of this series is MC the actor, his outdoor image as a real person, and who he is in this role. Also, I like the fact that he gives his wife Philippa alot of credit on a number of ocassions for her smarts and getting him interested in the world of horses and how he can unwind with them. I wonder if how one views S6 as a whole doesn't partially depend on how inevitable one views the outcome. I have read now a lot of posts, here and elsewhere, where people feel that in retrospect, of course they couldn't really make their marriage work unless and until Martin had a pretty complete breakdown, hit bottom, and then they could work their way back together on a more solid footing. Or not. That basically, he was just too impaired, and they were just too badly matched, without some kind of crisis forcing them to start over. It is a real tribute to the power of the writing and acting that people have come to that conclusion. Was it one that was foreseen (by most, not all) of us after the ending of S5? I don't think so. I have my doubts that it was even foreseen by the story's creators, until they realized that a) they couldn't have them continually bickering without going anywhere and b) they needed a fresh infusion of dramatic tension, and what better than breaking them up again, and what better to accomplish that goal than bringing Martin's dysfunctions to the fore? |
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Did you see this?
Owner of Doc Martin Dog Actor Complains: Buddy's Lines Were Chopped!
"London - While John Marquez as PC Penhale got more and more screen time this series, our amazing little dog's scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. I don't understand how such. . ." |
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It used to be, maybe still is, that in the U.S. "two weeks" was not uncommon for a honeymoon period for a newly married couple. (That was when people were marrying in a traditional way, I guess.)
Is it that way in England? Because I am thinking now of that "two week anniversary" moment in E2, when DM is working on his clock instead of attending to his bride. I think that was the writer's way of saying to us, OK, the honeymoon is over. Now we get down to business. |
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Perhaps I am being too literal but I just saw that as another way of Martin's being obtuse and a pain in the arse. He was literally translating the word anniversary , with it's root of "annum" as being the date at which something has existed for one year. Hence, it's not an anniversary then...having been married two weeks. It's things like that that makes one want to smack him and tell him to lighten up. He is as literal as the day is long as perhaps I am too.
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Martin was being a PITA Just as he was when Louisa read the article to him from the school newspaper saying how grumpy, gruff and "dis-empathetic" he was. He could not accept responsibility for being grumpy and gruff but had to point out that a 10 year old girl did not know that "dis-empathetic" was not a word. He cannot see his faults but has to point out those of others?
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Owner of Doc Martin Dog Actor Complains: Buddy's Lines Were Chopped!
"London - While John Marquez as PC Penhale got more and more screen time this series, our amazing little dog's scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. I don't understand how such. . ." |
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New Park. Thank you for your perspective. I agree with so much you said, except that your thoughts are childish or you suffer a character flaw by being caught up in the narrative. How coul you not?
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I'm actually quite sorry to say that I won't be re-watching any of it. I really did not like the plot line, and I will try and probably fail, to avoid watching S7, at least until I hear from reliable sources that all is once again well (enough) in the Ellingham household.
![]() On an unrelated note, lgike, welcome to the forum.
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Doctor Mateo
I found the first episode of "Doctor Mateo" on YT. Look for the "sister city" (around 6:30)
![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoeNOi28jb4 My Spanish is almost nonexistent now, not that it was any good at all, but the adventures of Dr. Mateo Sancristobal and Adriana Pozuelo in the village of San Martín del Sella are very recognizable. Adios! Rob |
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If Penhale is prime comic relief, then Buddy is the canine relief. I fear his smiling doggy grin, and happy wagging tail, did not fit with the dramatic and depressing turn of events.
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I agree that Christopher probably has died (it would be too easy to confirm if he wasn't). However, I doubt that they got back together before his death. i think Margaret was told of his death as they were probably still married, if living apart, or was still listed as his next-of-kin. She immediately ran to his side for the reading of his will and there found out he's been living off of whatever settlement Martin gave him. I think she followed the money. (She had probably been expecting to inherit whatever her husband left and was shocked to find it zero).
I also think it was her plan to be a wedge between LG and DM. He has a family to support and can't be spending money on his alienated (and alienating) mother. However, a divorced son with a clear child-support payment can easily spend the rest of his money on his only remaining family, aka mummie dearest. Hence the grin from the window as Louisa'a taxi drives down the hill. (BTW, the way she stood there grinning reminded me of Mrs. Danvers in a movie production of Rebecca...just as creepy.) I think taking the clock was her way of getting her inheritance - I came back to England for my share of Christopher's property and if this is it, then I'm at least taking this much. I also don't think she knew her dear son was married. I suppose she thought him to be so damaged that no woman would touch him, even if he'd be the last man on earth. So I think she was genuinely shocked to find a wife and kid, dampening her funds. Boy, was she glad to see Louisa go! |
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I found the first episode of "Doctor Mateo" on YT. Look for the "sister city" (around 6:30)
![]() http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoeNOi28jb4 My Spanish is almost nonexistent now, not that it was any good at all, but the adventures of Dr. Mateo Sancristobal and Adriana Pozuelo in the village of San Martín del Sella are very recognizable. Adios! Rob I searched all over to try to find a way to purchase DVDs because I figured they would have the option for English subtitles, but only found some obscure sites that I wasn't comfortable purchasing from. Damn! |
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As much as Buddy was spot on in his part in this series, I think BP needs a rethink as to whether a jack russell Oh, those poor shocked and offended viewers.
They'd be smart to keep their televisions turned off, if ever they travel to the U.S. I see worse on the evening news. fits in as a stray dog. He ceased being funny and is now just cute. I don't think that is what they want. What they need is another dog along the lines of Dodger - a mongrel or mutt - a dog of unknown ancestry that is not the result of selective breeding - much like alot of the inhabitants of Portwenn! I would love to see a dog with a hound dog expression on his face, now that would be funny.![]() I think you meant shaggy old Gremlin....just for those who may not figure that out. |
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![]() I think you meant shaggy old Gremlin....just for those who may not figure that out. |
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I stand corrected. . .and by the way what did you do to my "quote"? I detect some "modifications".
I don't even know how to set up a "link" or "cut and paste". Though I'd love to learn. |
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What does anyone think about the way that Martin and Louisa interacted in S6E1? They seemed to be attracted to each other...talked to each other...joked with each other..ie. a parrot applied to your shoulder or...this is my final warning....this was where they were. What the hell happened to break that relationship down? I don't get it. I know it couldn't stay that way for the series to carry on, but what broke down? Just asking....
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Martin's realization that he will never go back to surgery or London.
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Martin's realization that he will never go back to surgery or London.
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What does anyone think about the way that Martin and Louisa interacted in S6E1? They seemed to be attracted to each other...talked to each other...joked with each other..ie. a parrot applied to your shoulder or...this is my final warning....this was where they were. What the hell happened to break that relationship down? I don't get it. I know it couldn't stay that way for the series to carry on, but what broke down? Just asking....
Still, if I had to guess at the thinking behind the downhill slide (besides, that we have to do something to keep up the interest) it is what I tried to say earlier: The honeymoon, such as it was, is over, and the realities of married life and fatherhood and intense domesticity are finally getting to Martin, I just think that being married has a different weight than cohabitation. And also the fact that, as Zarwen points out, there he is in Portwenn, and a GP, not a surgeon. There comes a point, doesn't there, in all relationships, where the honeymoon is over and there you are in real life, and that's a critical point. I don't think Martin was emotionally equipped to work through this, anxiety was aroused, and not being able to acknowledge it, it got displaced onto the blood phobia's return, and then we were off to the races. |
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What does anyone think about the way that Martin and Louisa interacted in S6E1? They seemed to be attracted to each other...talked to each other...joked with each other..ie. a parrot applied to your shoulder or...this is my final warning....this was where they were. What the hell happened to break that relationship down? I don't get it. I know it couldn't stay that way for the series to carry on, but what broke down? Just asking....
They imply that his problems are caused by his parents and his upbringing. AR says hemaphobia can be related to a childhood trauma. Mostly I think he is upset about his phobia because he will never do surgery again. Even though he isn't doing it now, and has no plans to, it is always good for the psyche to feel your life situation is a choice. If there is no blood phobia, Port Wenn is a choice, and he could tuck the surgery in the back of his mind that he might go back to one day. I know there are barriers to him going back (too much time away from it), but it's a possibility, however slight. Anyway, that is what I attribute it to. |
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Agree with DCDMFan and I guess my previous post. Although Martin functioned as a GP, he was the GP who had been a surgeon. His entire identity was that of a surgeon. It is not clear from season 6 that he has abandoned the idea of surgery, but by marrying Louisa he has tacitly agreed to remain in Portwenn. That forecloses him from surgery, so he must subsume his entire identity as a surgeon. I think this is an important element in his problem and one season 7 will address
Louisa really hasn't given up much for the marriage -- she happily head teacher in a village she loves. Martin unhappily remains a GP in the village he hates. How could this not be a problem? |
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Agree with DCDMFan and I guess my previous post. Although Martin functioned as a GP, he was the GP who had been a surgeon. His entire identity was that of a surgeon. It is not clear from season 6 that he has abandoned the idea of surgery, but by marrying Louisa he has tacitly agreed to remain in Portwenn. That forecloses him from surgery, so he must subsume his entire identity as a surgeon. I think this is an important element in his problem and one season 7 will address
Louisa really hasn't given up much for the marriage -- she happily head teacher in a village she loves. Martin unhappily remains a GP in the village he hates. How could this not be a problem? |
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And I agree, great work from the writers/producers - hope they outdo themselves on Series 7.


