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I know that anything's possible in Portwenn Land, but does anyone feel that it's at all plausible that Martin might be OK with or actually choose living separately (as much as I feel that would be a mistake) until he gets himself together enough to decide that he probably won't screw it up this time?
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I told him that she was 43 (I think that's about right) and that Martin was 52 (for a little bit longer) but he answered back in that mumbly way where you can't understand the words but you know your conversational partner is blowing you off. You know, MC does that very well in his acting! Kenny cracks me up sometimes. It's hardly May-December but it might be getting to be Viagra time.....joking....joking....
Imagine this is a line for DM. Perfect eh? You guys....... |
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NP I think Martin would jump at the chance to live separately. But that can't be his ultimate goal. Part of what he has to learn in therapy is that he cannot be in control at all times as he was in surgery and in his neat and tidy pre-Louisa and James days. He can't control the imbeciles in Portwenn, fine he snarls at them. He can't control the hemophobia, fine he stays in Portwenn. He can't control James being a baby and Louisa being a bit messy and scattered, fine he --- no wait a minute he can't do what he has been doing. Shut down, not communicate with Louisa, sink back into his phobia, become a hypochondriac rather than facing his emotional issues. I know we have beaten the Asperger's issue into oblivion, but one marker of the condition is difficulty living in an environment one can't control.
As you say, anything is possible in Portwenn Land. But it would be more interesting if the writers actually worked through Martin's issues rather than glossing over them as they did with the improbable surgery on Louisa. So I think they both may agree not to live together for a while, but perhaps they'll spend a few weekends together? Will we see Martin eventually in a sport coat and open collar? Will pigs fly? |
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As Dr. Milligan said, being a surgeon is all about control, really. I do think that's the issue -- if he can't be in control, it's tremendously anxiety provoking and ultimately, to use another term, he decompensates.
So I think they both may agree not to live together for a while, but perhaps they'll spend a few weekends together? Will we see Martin eventually in a sport coat and open collar? Will pigs fly? |
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As Dr. Milligan said, being a surgeon is all about control, really. I do think that's the issue -- if he can't be in control, it's tremendously anxiety provoking and ultimately, to use another term, he decompensates.
So I think they both may agree not to live together for a while, but perhaps they'll spend a few weekends together? Will we see Martin eventually in a sport coat and open collar? Will pigs fly? But then, she's only mentioned getting him out of his suit the one time (and then only into a wetsuit) so she might be quite happy with his attire. And she does now get him out of it at night.
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But it would be more interesting if the writers actually worked through Martin's issues rather than glossing over them as they did with the improbable surgery on Louisa.
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Pigs might not fly, but if Louisa can dream an open-throated shirt on Martin, who knows what's possible.
But then, she's only mentioned getting him out of his suit the one time (and then only into a wetsuit) so she might be quite happy with his attire. And she does now get him out of it at night. ![]() ![]()
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Thinking back on all of Season 6, I recently realized that the opening scene of ep1 really told the whole story in a nutshell. DM is examining a patient who thinks she needs the help of a specialist, but DM does not even believe there is anything wrong with her. This is a metaphor for what happened to him and to the marriage over the course of the season: clearly DM and LE DO need expert help, but DM won't even admit anything is wrong, much less getting specialist help for it! And the fact that he is examining a patient for a "female problem" . . . . yes, Jack Lothian does have a way with metaphors!
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Thinking back on all of Season 6, I recently realized that the opening scene of ep1 really told the whole story in a nutshell. DM is examining a patient who thinks she needs the help of a specialist, but DM does not even believe there is anything wrong with her. This is a metaphor for what happened to him and to the marriage over the course of the season: clearly DM and LE DO need expert help, but DM won't even admit anything is wrong, much less getting specialist help for it! And the fact that he is examining a patient for a "female problem" . . . . yes, Jack Lothian does have a way with metaphors!
![]() Maybe Martin's compartmentalization mechanism is broken..to a certain extent.....hmmmm |
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Thinking back on all of Season 6, I recently realized that the opening scene of ep1 really told the whole story in a nutshell. DM is examining a patient who thinks she needs the help of a specialist, but DM does not even believe there is anything wrong with her. This is a metaphor for what happened to him and to the marriage over the course of the season: clearly DM and LE DO need expert help, but DM won't even admit anything is wrong, much less getting specialist help for it! And the fact that he is examining a patient for a "female problem" . . . . yes, Jack Lothian does have a way with metaphors!
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Just rewatched E1. what struck me about it, again, was the very odd expression on Martin's face, as he drove up to the church. It looked anything but happy. that, I thought, was another clue as to how things were going to go. I just don't understand why he looked so sad.
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I know that anything's possible in Portwenn Land, but does anyone feel that it's at all plausible that Martin might be OK with or actually choose living separately (as much as I feel that would be a mistake) until he gets himself together enough to decide that he probably won't screw it up this time?
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NP I think Martin would jump at the chance to live separately. But that can't be his ultimate goal. Part of what he has to learn in therapy is that he cannot be in control at all times as he was in surgery and in his neat and tidy pre-Louisa and James days. He can't control the imbeciles in Portwenn, fine he snarls at them. He can't control the hemophobia, fine he stays in Portwenn. He can't control James being a baby and Louisa being a bit messy and scattered, fine he --- no wait a minute he can't do what he has been doing. Shut down, not communicate with Louisa, sink back into his phobia, become a hypochondriac rather than facing his emotional issues. I know we have beaten the Asperger's issue into oblivion, but one marker of the condition is difficulty living in an environment one can't control.
As you say, anything is possible in Portwenn Land. But it would be more interesting if the writers actually worked through Martin's issues rather than glossing over them as they did with the improbable surgery on Louisa. I really hope they show DM working through his issues and also show LG realising she has some issues that need to be addressed too. I will not be impressed if they have LG giving up her job as a possible option. I would also prefer the final option to remain in Portwenn rather than having DM going back to London as a surgeon with LG. Not sure why I am so against that scenario, I just hope it doesn't happen. I guess it is because I truly believe you can have a successful happy life without living in a huge city with a highly glossy profession providing all the creature comforts of life.
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New Park If Martin had a somber demeanor on the way to his wedding, that might be appropriate. But he looked as if he were going to his execution. With the spoilers about his breakdown, I thought it would occur at the wedding, and season 6 would show Martin and Louisa learning how to live together. The wedding would be in the last 3 minutes of Ep 8
Instead, any relationship they had deteriorated in season 6 and season 7 will presumably show how the rebuild it with professional help Cookie. One thing Martin must renoncile in season 7 is his inability to return to surgery. Hope didn't want London as a place to liver but as a place to be the best surgeon. Creature comforts mean little to him. In fact his asceticism is another thing that must be resolved in their relationship. He has nice clothing and a car, but I don't believe he thinks of them as creature comforts but simply what you wear in drive when you wre raised in his economic class. With that said, he must reconcile living in Portwenn. I don't think it is the location, but the people |
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DM is always in control when it comes to life and death situations but can't seem to handle the mundane. It's like there is a switch that gets turned on when something dire is happening.
The high stress situations aren't just affecting his bloodphobia, they are also affecting matters of the heart. |
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New Park If Martin had a somber demeanor on the way to his wedding, that might be appropriate. But he looked as if he were going to his execution. With the spoilers about his breakdown, I thought it would occur at the wedding, and season 6 would show Martin and Louisa learning how to live together. The wedding would be in the last 3 minutes of Ep 8
Instead, any relationship they had deteriorated in season 6 and season 7 will presumably show how the rebuild it with professional help Cookie. One thing Martin must renoncile in season 7 is his inability to return to surgery. Hope didn't want London as a place to liver but as a place to be the best surgeon. Creature comforts mean little to him. In fact his asceticism is another thing that must be resolved in their relationship. He has nice clothing and a car, but I don't believe he thinks of them as creature comforts but simply what you wear in drive when you wre raised in his economic class. With that said, he must reconcile living in Portwenn. I don't think it is the location, but the people He has lived like a monk, with his nice suits his habit, so to speak. That does have to change. If he begins to let go of his rigid character armor, (instead of it crumbling as he disintegrates), I wonder if his choice of clothes will symbolize this? Let's hope S7 brings into Portwenn some new characters, who he can at least actually tolerate. Everybody needs some friends, outside of their spouse! |
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DM is always in control when it comes to life and death situations but can't seem to handle the mundane. It's like there is a switch that gets turned on when something dire is happening.
The high stress situations aren't just affecting his bloodphobia, they are also affecting matters of the heart. |
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Just rewatched E1. what struck me about it, again, was the very odd expression on Martin's face, as he drove up to the church. It looked anything but happy. that, I thought, was another clue as to how things were going to go. I just don't understand why he looked so sad.
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I think they will start with DM and LG living separately and probably even continue it until the last minute of s7, just to drive us insane. But I really think DM and LG would have to live together for DM to learn how to let go of his control issues and learn how to function in a noisy house full of kids and dogs and nanny's and village people.
I really hope they show DM working through his issues and also show LG realising she has some issues that need to be addressed too. I will not be impressed if they have LG giving up her job as a possible option. I would also prefer the final option to remain in Portwenn rather than having DM going back to London as a surgeon with LG. Not sure why I am so against that scenario, I just hope it doesn't happen. I guess it is because I truly believe you can have a successful happy life without living in a huge city with a highly glossy profession providing all the creature comforts of life. |
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I was nervous as heck before my wedding ceremony and I may have looked a little somber, too.
As he is waiting for Louisa to arrive, however, he is concerned when she is late. I think he was looking forward to getting married. I don't recall that a move to London was brought up in series 6. If series 7 is the last, I don't think they will focus on that. And, if it is the last, I hope they will focus a lot on Martin and Louisa and allow some time to show us more about her feelings when she is apart from Martin. I am grateful to have seen her trying to reach out to him. I felt that showed her in a better light than series 5 did. They gave us a little of insight to her feelings in S6 when she tells Margaret off and when she is high on the premed in the hospital. I hope they make time for more of that next series. It is time we have the opportunity to know what is going on with her. Oh, but I forgot, I am not supposed to praise this series unless I am prepared to get my head chopped off and accused of being a mole for Buffalo Pictures. If you are one of those who feel that way - you know who you are - you are not going to run me off of here with your insults. |
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Your analogy escapes me, Zarwen, any chance you could elaborate? I always saw that scene as a demonstration of how a physician needs to compartmentalize stimuli. After staring at "privates" in the morning, Martin has to get ready for his "honeymoon" in the afternoon. I can share a personal experience. My first husband and I met in Medical School and had a torrid affair through the whole experience. The month that he was doing his gynecology and obstetrics rotation we had little, if any sex. He was unable to divorce himself from the fact that he was looking at pussy all day and then had no desire for it. It is a profound memory. I also wondered about those who did breast augmentations and other procedures.....but those guys were married and had kids. Compartmentalization is an absolutely necessary skill...without it, no physician can survive.
Maybe Martin's compartmentalization mechanism is broken..to a certain extent.....hmmmm |
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Earlier you said that you were so disappointed in this series that you wouldn't be able to watch it again. I am glad you decided to give it another go.
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I was just having this conversation with my son last night, who is a critical care nurse. He said that ICU crises are not anxiety provoking, compared with other life situations, outside the ICU. Maybe that's not uncommon with people who have to perform daily in these high stress situations. Maybe it's because you're so well-trained and practiced that you just step into the drill routine, and that protects you to some extent from being overwhelmed with anxiety. Anyway, interesting.
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As he is waiting for Louisa to arrive, however, he is concerned when she is late. I think he was looking forward to getting married.
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I thought it looked like he was going to a funeral of his nearest and dearest, but agree -- it was way more than appropriate, for a groom, and the minute I saw it in the trailer, I was worried for the series.
He has lived like a monk, with his nice suits his habit, so to speak. That does have to change. If he begins to let go of his rigid character armor, (instead of it crumbling as he disintegrates), I wonder if his choice of clothes will symbolize this? Let's hope S7 brings into Portwenn some new characters, who he can at least actually tolerate. Everybody needs some friends, outside of their spouse! But I also think, in a production sense, they did this to try to fool us over where he was going and what was happening. When he stepped out of the cab, the church with the archway of flowers and everyone all dressed up was supposed to be a big reveal - a "gotcha!" But I suspect it was ITV who decided that they would promote the start of the series by promoting the wedding. Back in March-April when they were filming these scenes I suspect they thought they were going to surprise us. That's just my take, for what it's worth... |
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I have two thoughts about his demeanor in the taxi. I think he really wants this marriage, but the wedding - not so much. But he knows it is important to Louisa. So he spends his time in the taxi getting himself steeled for what is to come: being the center of attention, professing his love to Louisa in front of a lot of people, etc. All he wants to do is get through the day.
But I also think, in a production sense, they did this to try to fool us over where he was going and what was happening. When he stepped out of the cab, the church with the archway of flowers and everyone all dressed up was supposed to be a big reveal - a "gotcha!" But I suspect it was ITV who decided that they would promote the start of the series by promoting the wedding. Back in March-April when they were filming these scenes I suspect they thought they were going to surprise us. That's just my take, for what it's worth... |
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I guess it is because I truly believe you can have a successful happy life without living in a huge city with a highly glossy profession providing all the creature comforts of life.
