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Old 04-11-2013, 19:32
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I don't agree that Ash lost his composure but if he had it would be understandable. As Lily is being mentored/taught by him and is a junior, he is the Responsible Medical Officer for HER work - he would be partially held to account for her actions if anything went wrong. i would be flaming furious with her.

I know it's a drama and try to suspend my disbelief but having worked in A&E I know that there is no way the nurses (most of whom will know and have seen, way more than her) would tolerate her rudeness and the way she speaks to them. She would have been brought down several pegs by now................
Actually, I think that Rita, Robyn and Charlie all appear to have some respect for Lily. Jamie possibly not so much, but then he is very junior anyway, so he doesn't necessarily know any more than her. I can't speak for Fletch and Tess, as I can't think of any interactions they have had.
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Old 04-11-2013, 19:34
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I really liked saturdays ep i think sam and ian have way more chemistry than she has with tom. I never bought she was that into tom and saturdays ep confirmed it even more. I loved the red button

I liked the patient storyline with jack but george sampson turning up in all the shows i watch is doing my head in
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Old 04-11-2013, 19:48
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I can't stand her. In between her few bright moments she has been so stupid, made multiple mistakes, gossips, and blabs other people's business to everyone. It was funny at first, but not any more, they have stuck on it too much, and use it too much.
I can't stand her either - waddling around blabbing to everyone.

It was never funny.
Agreed !

Why are there so few comments about Casualty on Digital Spy these days? There used to be pages and pages of them each week. Have people just got bored of it all of a sudden?

The Holby City thread is much more active. Just curious Is it because of the change of thread?
I got bored with the T&F rubbish. I used to enjoy the Holby/Cas threads on DS as they didn't have the childish aspects that the soap threads had such as live commentary & this couples obsession.

So no episode this week thanks to BLFofR !

This is why I prefer satellite channels as they don't interfere with line up. I have respect for our dead but don't interrupt mainstream programs - BBC 2 would be more appropriate.
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Old 04-11-2013, 20:20
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I got bored with the T&F rubbish. I used to enjoy the Holby/Cas threads on DS as they didn't have the childish aspects that the soap threads had such as live commentary & this couples obsession.
I'll be honest about the fact that I did get a little bored with pages and pages of one storyline, but at the same time I think that if the Casualty writers have managed to create a storyline that gets people that interested, then all credit to them. Tess/Fletch doesn't interest me personally that much, but that's just my opinion. It's clearly a very popular storyline.
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Old 05-11-2013, 08:14
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Tess and Fletch dosent really interest me either
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Old 05-11-2013, 12:46
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Not a fan of Lily but I whole heartedly agree with you about Sam/Tom. No chemistry, Tom has zero charisma and the 'romance' is utterly unbelievable IMO. Don't like the character of Ian being thrown in either - he is a little creepy in my book
I simply do not fathom the writers/producers' obsession with Tom. They were the same way with Adam, but at least that actor had charisma. For all the complaints about Robyn, Lily, and Tess/Fletch, I find the copious amount of time invested in the insipid Sam and Tom romance to be the most annoying thing about Casualty these days.
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Old 05-11-2013, 16:26
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I know it's a drama and try to suspend my disbelief but having worked in A&E I know that there is no way the nurses (most of whom will know and have seen, way more than her) would tolerate her rudeness and the way she speaks to them. She would have been brought down several pegs by now................



Cannot stand Robyn - another one who would not have lasted 5 minutes by now.
Agree totally with both of your comments. I used to be a nurse a long time ago and I always understood nurses were managed by nurses (the Sister or Charge Nurse) and doctors by doctors. If a doctor had spoken to me the way Lily speaks to the nurses on Casualty I'd have reported her.

And Robyn - can't stand the character, she's interfering, gossipy, breaches confidentiality ...etc
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Old 05-11-2013, 17:30
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I simply do not fathom the writers/producers' obsession with Tom. They were the same way with Adam, but at least that actor had charisma. For all the complaints about Robyn, Lily, and Tess/Fletch, I find the copious amount of time invested in the insipid Sam and Tom romance to be the most annoying thing about Casualty these days.
In fairness, their storyline isn't focussed on a huge amount. We usually only see them in the background of scenes. The episode recently where Sam proposed was the first one in a while that had their storyline as a big focus point. Also, I don't think that Oliver Coleman does a bad job. Not a fan of the character, but I think Oliver does the best he can with what he's given. Sam is also one of my favourite characters - not because of this storyline, but because whenever we actually see her treating a patient, it's clear that she is a very competent doctor, and I think Charlotte Salt does a sterling job.
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Old 05-11-2013, 17:31
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In fairness, their storyline isn't focussed on a huge amount. We usually only see them in the background of scenes. The episode recently where Sam proposed was the first one in a while that had their storyline as a big focus point. Also, I don't think that Oliver Coleman does a bad job. Not a fan of the character, but I think Oliver does the best he can with what he's given. Sam is also one of my favourite characters - not because of this storyline, but because whenever we actually see her treating a patient, it's clear that she is a very competent doctor, and I think Charlotte Salt does a sterling job.
Tom and sam have dominated it. They had a big story earlier in the year and are always in the eps together. Tess/fletch barely get any screentime together and have big chunks of eps where theyre not in it together
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Old 05-11-2013, 18:34
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Tom and sam have dominated it. They had a big story earlier in the year and are always in the eps together. Tess/fletch barely get any screentime together and have big chunks of eps where theyre not in it together
They are always in the episodes together, but their storyline isn't focussed on a huge amount. They are usually treating patients the majority of the time, with a few lines here and there to remind people of the relationship. Since Series 28 started, I think the episode when they got engaged is the only one where their relationship was actually one of the main plot points.
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Old 05-11-2013, 18:45
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They are always in the episodes together, but their storyline isn't focussed on a huge amount. They are usually treating patients the majority of the time, with a few lines here and there to remind people of the relationship. Since Series 28 started, I think the episode when they got engaged is the only one where their relationship was actually one of the main plot points.
They had the s/l with toms drugs and hitting her
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:03
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Tom and sam have dominated it. They had a big story earlier in the year and are always in the eps together. Tess/fletch barely get any screentime together and have big chunks of eps where theyre not in it together

IMO both pairings have got just about the same amount of actual together screen time. Tom and Sam were more in screens together when Dylan was still on the show, but the amount was very little. After they have got together properly, they have a few scenes here and there, but not really a sl about them.
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:10
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IMO both pairings have got just about the same amount of actual together screen time. Tom and Sam were more in screens together when Dylan was still on the show, but the amount was very little. After they have got together properly, they have a few scenes here and there, but not really a sl about them.
I disagree. Id have loved the amount of screentime tam got for tess/fletch.
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:30
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Tom and Sam are all dull as dish water as a couple. Zero chemistry. That's my opinion. On her own I like her, but they spoilt the character when they put her with Tom. I liked it when he first started, they spoilt him too.
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:50
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Tom and Sam are all dull as dish water as a couple. Zero chemistry. That's my opinion. On her own I like her, but they spoilt the character when they put her with Tom. I liked it when he first started, they spoilt him too.
No chemistry... Bit worrying considering they are a couple in real life...
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:53
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Nearly always right? Jamie had to stop her from panicking last night when he told her it was an intravenous bleed
And she gave him no credit for it when she was getting the accolades. I hope he drops her in it very soon.
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:55
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No chemistry... Bit worrying considering they are a couple in real life...
Thats why they havent
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:56
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No chemistry... Bit worrying considering they are a couple in real life...
Actually now you mention it, that is a bit worrying! I'd have thought any chemistry they had would have overspilled the screen. I've seen absolutely none so far. Not that I've been looking!!
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Old 05-11-2013, 19:57
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Actually now you mention it, that is a bit worrying! I'd have thought any chemistry they had would have overspilled the screen. I've seen absolutely none so far. Not that I've been looking!!
Yeah but havent you heard the phrase if a couple are doing it irl then it doesnt come across onscreen very well!
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Old 05-11-2013, 20:00
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No chemistry... Bit worrying considering they are a couple in real life...
I didn't know that and wouldn't have guessed it either
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Old 05-11-2013, 20:23
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I'll be honest about the fact that I did get a little bored with pages and pages of one storyline, but at the same time I think that if the Casualty writers have managed to create a storyline that gets people that interested, then all credit to them. Tess/Fletch doesn't interest me personally that much, but that's just my opinion. It's clearly a very popular storyline.
Nor me.
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Old 05-11-2013, 21:04
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Agree totally with both of your comments. I used to be a nurse a long time ago and I always understood nurses were managed by nurses (the Sister or Charge Nurse) and doctors by doctors. If a doctor had spoken to me the way Lily speaks to the nurses on Casualty I'd have reported her.

And Robyn - can't stand the character, she's interfering, gossipy, breaches confidentiality ...etc
So agree about Robyn, I wish Batman would take her back to Gotham City.

Anyone know when Connie is returning to Casualty?,also is Ms Salt the same girl who went to LA to make her name but ended up playing a dead body in CSI which apart from the awfull Beowulf was her only work out there.

I know Leanne Wilson the ex Casualty nurse is also trying and failing to make a name for herself over there.
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Old 05-11-2013, 21:28
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So agree about Robyn, I wish Batman would take her back to Gotham City.

Anyone know when Connie is returning to Casualty?,also is Ms Salt the same girl who went to LA to make her name but ended up playing a dead body in CSI which apart from the awfull Beowulf was her only work out there.

I know Leanne Wilson the ex Casualty nurse is also trying and failing to make a name for herself over there.
I think March 2014 has been named
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Old 05-11-2013, 21:39
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No chemistry... Bit worrying considering they are a couple in real life...
I had no idea. Being together in real life probably contributes to their lack of chemistry on screen. They probably subconsciously hold back to keep their private life, private. Regardless, the actor who plays Tom is bland and lacks charisma.
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:33
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I think that Connie and Lily may grow to have respect for one another as well. I didn't like Connie at all when she was in Holby City actually, but I'm prepared to give her a clean slate when she joins Casualty to see how it all goes. I may well end up liking her. I like Lily mainly because there are always storylines in Casualty involving people's chaotic personal lives which they don't seem to be able to separate from work, and so far Lily seems to have the personality to be able to cut through all that rubbish. I can't see her putting up with any of the squabbling and unprofessionalism that sometimes goes on in the ED, and I find that refreshing. Granted, she has got a few things wrong (last night's is debatable as I actually supported her decision, but it annoyed me when she publicly expressed her views on illegal immigrants, for example), but as you say, she's young and has a lot to learn. I think she may be what people like Connie were like as juniors actually.



Zosia is the current 'controversial junior doctor' on Holby City (played by Camilla Arfwedson), but I find her interesting because she's not like anyone else that has filled this role, at least while I have been watching the show. She has the 'very bright but doesn't mind who she winds up' thing, but she's not like Lily, Ruth and Dylan in that they don't have the people skills to go with it - she clearly has them, but chooses to use them in a rather odd way. Her interest is in psychiatry, and she seems to be using her colleagues as people to test and play off on purpose, almost in a sociopathic way. On her first shift, she slept with Arthur Digby in the basement, very spontaneously and in a rather pressurising manner from his perspective.

Her current mentor is Elliot, and he initially really respected her incredible academia, but things went downhill when firstly she psychoanalysed a patient's mother without permission, and then it became clear that her entire rotation was boring her, as she is purely interested in psychological. Elliot tried to get rid of her, but she sat him down and made him listen to her reading the junior doctors' guidelines, which made it clear that if he got rid of her, she would be able to make it look like bullying on his part. Elliot appeared very uncharacteristically intimidated by her, and had no choice but to let her stay.

In the most recent episode, Elliot was doing an artificial heart transplant and Zosia was very excited, not because of the artificial heart but at being able to talk to the recipient. Elliot got wind of what she was up to and palmed her off onto Jac, who did the thing she always does with junior doctors at getting her to perform very menial duties. Zosia didn't put up with it for very long, and eventually spoke very directly to Jac about how she was desperate to go back to Elliot's patient, and after saying (rather fairly, I feel), 'What would you do if you were me?' walked out of the room. Jac later made her put a skeleton back together, but I feel that there was a small amount of respect for Zosia there.

I'm not sure if I like Zosia personally, but I find her a really interesting character, I don't know where they are going with her, and the actress plays her really well. If you're interested, I'll find you a YouTube link to one of her prominent episodes.
Thanks for Zosia sypnosis/summary I watched Holby on the back of it and will look out for her. She sounds a bit nightmarish, but if it is well acted those kinds of character can be interesting to observe.

Re: Zosia's episode You-Tube link. Yes, please I think need to prepare myself for what I'm about see!

You gave a good brief analysis of Lily up thread. Sometimes I think they play too much on the Far Asian stereotype who seems remote from human emotions and prefers to deal with the rational, logical side. There are times when I empathise with her direct, no nonsense, anti-sentimentalised approach. Her remarks on the NHS, whenever her approach is criticised, suggest that it is perhaps 'namby pamby' when it comes to treating its patients. But unfortunately, she makes too many assumptions that her kind of approach is what every patient she treats needs - for example, with that self-harming young girl with the dog who had just died. (Her mother had also died not too long ago.) It ended well, but the girl could've just gone and killed herself after the way Lily spoke to her.

Re: Tom. Yeah, I think Tom's problem is psychological also, whether it's confidence in his ability as a doctor or his parentage or Sam's feelings for him (re: Iain). I don't think the actor who plays Tom is wooden - or at least I can't reach that conclusion just yet because I don't feel he's been given enough material to work on. If Tom's achilles heel is what the stuff that goes on between his ears/his insecurities, then the script and his storyline has to reflect that psychological and emotional vulnerability, or else Tom will appear a wooden character.

As it is, he is the antithesis to Sam who is both emotionally and mentally strong, and that's probably why both Iain and Tom are attracted to her. With Iain's backstory, we've got a handle on his character; with Tom, not so much as yet I don't think. It would be good to see him shine a little because he did make an interesting character when he was popping pills and felt self-conscious about who he was as a person re: his adoption/real parents. The writers seem to have left that history come and go.
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