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Old 13-10-2013, 20:09
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Very selfish of him.
I repeat that he should have instant dismissal for misuse of a computer, and reading a colleague's medical records.
That's what I love about Tess and Fletch - their relationship is MEANT to be complex..
For all we know, perhaps the relationship between Fletch and his wife of many years is complex too; the viewers only see part of what is happening.

OK - say we were working in the same place - me in IT and you in an end-user role. How would you like it if I misused my admin rights to casually look into your mailfile and home directory when you hadn't called helpdesk about a problem and I was working on your incident ticket?

Goes against their Code of Conduct and Information Security training.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Act_1998

Fletch breached Section 55 of the Act - unlawfully accessing Tess's records.

Here's a real-world case. http://www.ico.org.uk/news/latest_ne...tails-12032013
No excuse. At all.

If I was working in NHS IT - and I used my admin rights to pull data on a relative or friend - I would be summarily sacked.
Again - COMPLETELY VERBOTEN.

As the Data Subject, Tess has final say over how her data is processed. Her consultant could pull her records and process them while she had the termination, medical secs could process her static data to send the letter... someone in IT has access to back them up (but only at a DB level), a DBA could repair the record (if auth'd by a change request).

Fletch could not even get her data by means of a Data Subject Access Request - as there is no Letter Of Authority (as far as we know) from Tess authorising him access..

I don't know what you do as a job - but if you use IT in any shape or form, you would typically have an annual refresher on the principles of the Data Protection Act.

Of course - under the Health records Act - Jeremy Hunt is the ultimate current data owner...
Still not allowed.

That's what confidentiality agreements are signed for.

The NHS takes these things very seriously.
Still no justification as it wasn't that patient episode.

He looked at a patient episode while she was under Gynae care... nowt to do with him.

Breach of Section 55... when the next security audit is done (likely within 12 months) - he's out the door, P45 sent onward.
... and committed Gross Misconduct in the act. Unlawful access under the Data Protection Act is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE.

It is a soap which means it is fiction, but it is totally unacceptable in fiction as well as in real life for a member of staff to do what Fletch did, and the writers should be told this.
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:11
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so what zoe did was unacceptable too. the only difference with fletch is that tess didnt want him to see she was pregnant.
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:29
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Dear god this is a fictional show... Can we get away from the formalities of what would happen in real life?
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:33
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which part are you agreeing with?

i wish people would use bold more to specific bits
I have 2 kids can't mess about with fonts...
I agree with if she'd been more open and honest with him he wouldn't react the way he does
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:34
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Dear god this is a fictional show... Can we get away from the formalities of what would happen in real life?
Here here. That's why I said accept it for what it is...
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:38
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I have 2 kids can't mess about with fonts...
I agree with if she'd been more open and honest with him he wouldn't react the way he does
well i dont know if people were agreeing with the whole post. the original poster claimed i was seeing what i wanted to see which is so much more further than the truth. if your going to agree people need to make clear which bits.
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:56
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Just have to ask as have missed a few episodes.
I know Tess told Zoe that she had a termination, and from the basic data Fletch pulled up it noted her outpatients appointment, and the fact that she was admitted to general surgery, then discharged.
The fact that she is clearly not well, the dizziness when Fletch called in to see her that morning etc, I dont know any upcoming spoilers, as its the one prog I try not to look for them, so most people in this thread probably know a lot more than me, but is it possible that she was admitted for a termination, decided against it, and was discharged, and that she may still be pregnant?
Please put me right here if I am way off track.
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:58
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well i dont know if people were agreeing with the whole post. the original poster claimed i was seeing what i wanted to see which is so much more further than the truth. if your going to agree people need to make clear which bits.
People will always have differing views on their relationship..that's up to the individual person. I just agree with if she'd have been more honest the whiole way through, it may have turned out different
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Old 13-10-2013, 20:59
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Just have to ask as have missed a few episodes.
I know Tess told Zoe that she had a termination, and from the basic data Fletch pulled up it noted her outpatients appointment, and the fact that she was admitted to general surgery, then discharged.
The fact that she is clearly not well, the dizziness when Fletch called in to see her that morning etc, I dont know any upcoming spoilers, as its the one prog I try not to look for them, so most people in this thread probably know a lot more than me, but is it possible that she was admitted for a termination, decided against it, and was discharged, and that she may still be pregnant?
Please put me right here if I am way off track.
Quite a few people have thought this was the case, myself included.

It would make a very interesting twist...
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:02
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Just have to ask as have missed a few episodes.
I know Tess told Zoe that she had a termination, and from the basic data Fletch pulled up it noted her outpatients appointment, and the fact that she was admitted to general surgery, then discharged.
The fact that she is clearly not well, the dizziness when Fletch called in to see her that morning etc, I dont know any upcoming spoilers, as its the one prog I try not to look for them, so most people in this thread probably know a lot more than me, but is it possible that she was admitted for a termination, decided against it, and was discharged, and that she may still be pregnant?
Please put me right here if I am way off track.
No I think she did have one... She just had her dizzy spell cos she wasn't eating or sleeping..low blood sugar..
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:06
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People will always have differing views on their relationship..that's up to the individual person. I just agree with if she'd have been more honest the whiole way through, it may have turned out different
fair enough. i agree to an extent but he did tell her not to call. we cant really dismiss that even though i dont think he did it to be cruel. he shouldve took that into consideration
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:14
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Still not allowed.

That's what confidentiality agreements are signed for.

The NHS takes these things very seriously.
Married - eg Fletch and Natalie would have to file Letters of Authority to permit each other to have access...
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:14
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It's hilarious that people are trying to defend Fletch for accessing Tess' medical records.

Irregardless of whether you like him or not, he had no right to access them. He wasn't treating her, he wasn't given her permission, so in the eyes of the trust, he'd be in breach of his employment contract and, should Tess report it, he'd have to be investigated and probably sacked since he's on a final written warning.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:16
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It's hilarious that people are trying to defend Fletch for accessing Tess' medical records.

Irregardless of whether you like him or not, he had no right to access them. He wasn't treating her, he wasn't given her permission, so in the eyes of the trust, he'd be in breach of his employment contract and, should Tess report it, he'd have to be investigated and probably sacked since he's on a final written warning.
Firstly, it's a TV show. Secondly, it's a TV show. Thirdly, he was worried and loves Tess enough to go to "extreme" measures. Lastly, it's a TV show.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:16
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It's hilarious that people are trying to defend Fletch for accessing Tess' medical records.

Irregardless of whether you like him or not, he had no right to access them. He wasn't treating her, he wasn't given her permission, so in the eyes of the trust, he'd be in breach of his employment contract and, should Tess report it, he'd have to be investigated and probably sacked since he's on a final written warning.
but he did take her in as a patient
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:31
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Firstly, it's a TV show. Secondly, it's a TV show. Thirdly, he was worried and loves Tess enough to go to "extreme" measures. Lastly, it's a TV show.
Yeah - but if it's left alone, this has EVERY medico, finance person, IT bod - ANYONE who deals with personal data at work screaming at their telly...

Especially IT bods like me - where either currently or in the past, they have had to *enforce* data protection by disabling the user accounts of people like Andrew Fletcher at the behest of the relevant Security and HR depts...

Although I remember when I was in 2nd line support and email/systems admin, some users were a tad more blase about their responsibilities when it came to IT security and data protection..
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:34
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Yeah - but if it's left alone, this has EVERY medico, finance person, IT bod - ANYONE who deals with personal data at work screaming at their telly...

Especially IT bods like me - where either currently or in the past, they have had to *enforce* data protection by disabling the user accounts of people like Andrew Fletcher at the behest of the relevant Security and HR depts...
His name is Adrian.

Sorry to be picky.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:35
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Firstly, it's a TV show. Secondly, it's a TV show. Thirdly, he was worried and loves Tess enough to go to "extreme" measures. Lastly, it's a TV show.
Yes to all of the above
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:36
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His name is Adrian.

Sorry to be picky.
Fletch
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:37
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Adrian is his Sunday name...except when Tess calls him in it in the middle of resus.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:37
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I don't understand the 'it's a TV show' argument. Yes it is, but it's a TV show that shows us things for a reason. I don't object to the TV show broadcasting the fact that Fletch looked at Tess' medical records, as that's artistic license. What I object to is in-universe, the character of Fletch doing that. I wouldn't complain to the TV show that they broadcast it, but that doesn't mean that I have to accept the action that takes place within the story.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:37
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but he did take her in as a patient
He did 'medics make the worst patients'
Especially Tess .

Right or wrong he had to find out somehow.. It's tv land!
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:38
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Adrian is his Sunday name...except when Tess calls him in it in the middle of resus.
Rita called him that for the first couple of episodes as well, but she seems to have reverted to Fletch now. I think that's a shame - I think it would be a good standing joke to have Rita always referring to him as Adrian.
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:39
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His name is Adrian.

Sorry to be picky.
No probs... couldn't remember - hit the actor's name by mistake..


But users' blase attitudes to DPA did use to annoy me when I had admin rights (current role in Capacity Planning doesn't need them, so I'm a regular mortal now)
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Old 13-10-2013, 21:40
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Yeah - but if it's left alone, this has EVERY medico, finance person, IT bod - ANYONE who deals with personal data at work screaming at their telly...

Especially IT bods like me - where either currently or in the past, they have had to *enforce* data protection by disabling the user accounts of people like Andrew Fletcher at the behest of the relevant Security and HR depts...

Although I remember when I was in 2nd line support and email/systems admin, some users were a tad more blase about their responsibilities when it came to IT security and data protection..
It probably does make medics, finance people and anyone in IT scream. The fact that the characters get so involved in the patients personal lives also sometimes makes me want to scream. However, I then remember that we are watching a fictional TV show and the storylines are normally written to make us have reactions like screaming, being angry, being upset etc. Why don't we let Casualty be a 50 minute escape from real life and stop getting annoyed over what would happen in real life.
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