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Old 27-08-2016, 22:14
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I enjoyed that episode. It kept me gripped for most of it.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:15
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In the preview for Holby on Tuesday it showed Fletch being injured by the helicopter but I didn't see him outside so how are they doing this?
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:19
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Nope!

Don't forget that after his arm got cut off later on in the season a different helicopter then fell onto him. Maybe there will be structural damage to a wall he goes to hold it up in an attempt to save some people and then it collapses onto him crushing him into a paste.

(Just seen the trailer again and laughed I still think Jacobs eaten some of the hospital and is cacking himself.)
We asked for too much.

Even if that all happened he still wouldn't die. He'd be the modern day Rasputin.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:20
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I'm putting my money on Charlie moving back up to Clinical Nurse Manager, Duffy being a Senior Charge Nurse and Elle becoming Clinical Lead.

As for Jacob, the only thing I'd like to see him getting is his P45 after an NMC misconduct hearing!
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I think Jacob will now change after Charlie tore a strip off him.

Yes, would like Charlie as CNM too
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:22
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:22
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Bad Girls flashback!!
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:22
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Great episode, loved it. Good to see some old characters back, hope both Josh and Duffy remain. Don't like Jacob but wouldn't wish him to be killed off.

Made me feel a bit old as I've watched this since the beginning😆. C'est la vie
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:22
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:25
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:27
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Okay, not going to wade through 10+ pages of comments so sorry if I repeat some stuff. First thought: Great to have some traditional opening titles rather than inappropriate clips of the staff.

Connie falls off a cliff and doesn't seem to have any injuries more severe than being in a normal high speed car crash. I really hope they don't have Connie improbably survive and then kill Grace, I'd rather Grace have a miraculous recovery and Connie have a sudden relapse rather than have to put up with weeks of Connie wailing and acting the grieving mother because she cared about her for one episode.

I loved the storyline with the Pam St Clements character, the perfect foil for Charlie's caring professionalism. I do seem to remember a similar incident back in the 90s: As I recall, the woman walked out of the hospital after refusing to have it removed and that was the last we heard of her. (I miss those old ambiguous endings. I've got a horrible feeling drone kid and his family will turn up again.) Still, Charlie hasn't lost his fire, giving Amira a dressing down, being one of the few people who can tell Henrik to get lost and, in a scene worth the entrance fee on its own, finally losing his temper and telling Jacob he's a t*sspot. Also, I love that the episode turned Charlie's smug and dismissive "It was a different world" comment from last season on its head and reminded us that actually the world isn't that different and we need to keep learning from the mistakes of the past.

A bit of a stretch that disposable non-regular helicopter crew get killed on impact while Iain suffers only minor injuries. The show seems to have finally abandoned that weird Ethan/Lily pairing in favour of a slightly less weird Ethan/Alicia one and possibly a vaguely intriguing Iain/Lily one.

There are signs of it being two episodes stitched together: Fletch and Jac only get to appear in one half each and the Pam St Clement character disappears halfway through.

The video messages? Hmm. Well, they kind of work on a nostalgia level but I don't think losing them could have lost much. Interesting that Alice is now a nurse, unless someone just forgot what her position was. (And nothing to contradict my frustrated shipper theory that she's now with Adam.) I think the last woman was just meant to represent the everyman view of Charlie. Not sure if they're setting up Amira as a regular or not. The Charlie and Josh cubicle scene was brilliant: That really is the first thing you notice when you see early episodes, how utterly primitive everything is. Seeing the triumvirate working together was definitely a classic moment. Whilst there was, thankfully, no teasing about Charlie dying, I was worried he'd announce he was going to retire at the end (especially after Mike's message) but seems there's still a bit of life in the old dog.

So, despite a few criticisms, a decent season opener and a half-decent anniversary episode. Will it last another 30? I have a hard time imagining it but it'll last another one.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:27
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It was an ambitious episode and it had the potential to be a great episode - but, in my opinion, it wasn't. For a 1 hour 40 minute feature length anniversary special, I was expecting it to be a game-changer (i.e. at least one or two of the main cast killed off) but we're pretty much where we were before, save for the fact that Grace's life hangs in the balance.

The positives?
- Thankfully we have a new title sequence that goes back to basics and cuts out all the cheesy shots of the regulars kicking down doors, giving each other high 5s and laughing hysterically in the street;
- lovely to see cast of yesteryear, even if the constant cutting to video dedications to Charlie began to wear thin after the first hour;
- good to see Josh and Duffy back in the midst of the action;
- the helicopter crash was an audacious sequence and possibly one of the best stunts we've seen from Casualty in recent years;
- Dylan Keogh remains the saving grace of Casualty.

Sad to say but I felt the negatives far outweighed the positives.
- for such an audacious stunt, it seemed to have very little impact. We were told that people had perished but the writers shied away from taking us any closer to the tragedies. That simply wouldn't have happened in Casualty of old. Grace was the only character who ever seemed in real peril and even she's still alive as things stand. Casualty just filmed a car going over a cliff and a helicopter crashing and yet hardly anyone is killed off? It's like the makers of this show chickened out;
- as much as I enjoyed seeing Duffy and Josh back, the scene with them standing up to Jacob, though appreciated, was very hammy and contrived. Equally Josh encouraging Charlie to rally the troops was very contrived;
- please God. No more incidental music on Casualty. They had a little bit of it in Series 1, Episode 1 way back in 1986. I'm sure there's a reason why it stopped thereafter. We haven't had incidental music for 30 years; we don't need it now;
- it may have been feature length but it did feel like 2 episodes stitched together. It felt like a new episode could have started where we were introduced to the drone boy's family;
- all the references to Charlie's 30 years at Holby began to become incredibly repetitive;
- Connie and Jacob front and centre. That was enough to dent what could have been a great episode.

Having watched this show for 30 years, I know when I've watched a good episode. That had its moments but it did not live up to the hype. But then, I was rather expecting that.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:29
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I haven't seen the whole thing yet but they kind of cheaped out with the helicopter crash didn't they? Smashes into the bay and doesn't even damage the glass roof over the entrance?

I get not wanting to redo their ED set but why not have it smash into the side of the building on one of the other floors?
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:30
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It looked beautiful and generally i enjoyed it but most of the plot was by numbers.

I can't help feeling they missed out on the chance to do a true crossover as although it was perfectly logical for them to close the ED, those other injured people would have been directed to AAU or even Kellar rather than the Pub so it would have been great to see scenes on those wards in this episode. Obviously that would have meant filming at both Elstree and Bristol but it would mainly have been guest cast with just a couple of the ED staff going there to help as Jac and Hansenn were in the ED.

From what i understand of Holby, it isn't being done in parallel and Fletch's injury is actually unconnected to the crash although there will be references and it looks like Connie is in it from that trailer. I might have misunderstood the articles I've read though so it is speculation, hence not spoilering it.

Onto specifics, I couldn't stand Amira who will obviously be a new regular. For once i kind of agreed with Louise but I still can't stand her.

It was irritating that we only saw Connie, Grace and that boy after the initial accident which is where featuring the other Wards would have helped

Finally somebody tells Jacob how it is re his posturing. If this was the first time it had happened, with it being his girlfriend and sort of step daughter it might be forgivable but he is like this all the time and it is generally portrayed as heroic. Even now, I think we were meant to find him sympathetic and justified in some way. Loathe him and the Connie i watched for 7 years in Holby wouldn't have looked twice at an idiotic He-Man like him.

Liked the Ethan, Alicia scenes.

I love Jac and Hansenn so clearly liked them showing up. That entrance was very Jac.

I liked the little inserts and thought they built nicely to Jenny's Mum. She looked too young to be the Mother of an early Patient and i certainly don't remember her - although i did remember the calcified baby episode. I think that was the point though, that there will have been thousands of people who will remember Charlie (or any Nurse) that the Nurse themself won't remember because it was just another day to them, but it was a crucial day for the Patient and their family - either because their life was saved or somebody died. I'd remember the faces of the staff that treated my Mother in her final days, one HCA cuddled me as i left the Ward after she'd died and I'll always remember that small act of kindness but I doubt she'd remember me.

All in all an enjoyable episode.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:30
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Amira ? Unprofessional is how I would describe her
Yep but once she didn't get injured it felt as if it was all leading to her getting a job in the ED. Charlie (+Duffy) will take her under his wing and bring out her good side like he has done with past characters (Jay ect). They also showed her softer side at the end with 'Baba' appearing on her phone so I'm guessing that she listens in to her child at home (alone?) to make sure it's ok.

If she is joining then who's leaving? It wont be Charlie or Duffy, Davids too new so it leaves Louise (Meh!), Robyn (PLEASE!) or Jacob *LETS OUT A GIRLY SCREAM AND JUMPS AROUND*!!!
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:33
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Gosh it all happened in Casualty tonight
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:38
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I was also under that impression too by a patient under arrest, it's also the episode with Iain and Jez.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:41
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Nice to see the spoilers yet again got it All wrong yet again
As the producer said on breakfast news other morning that All the stories you heard are totally wrong
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:46
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Yep but once she didn't get injured it felt as if it was all leading to her getting a job in the ED. Charlie (+Duffy) will take her under his wing and bring out her good side like he has done with past characters (Jay ect). They also showed her softer side at the end with 'Baba' appearing on her phone so I'm guessing that she listens in to her child at home (alone?) to make sure it's ok.

If she is joining then who's leaving? It wont be Charlie or Duffy, Davids too new so it leaves Louise (Meh!), Robyn (PLEASE!) or Jacob *LETS OUT A GIRLY SCREAM AND JUMPS AROUND*!!!
Baba will be her father

edit none of them? they were all in the ep but the agency nurse was still needed
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:47
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I was also under that impression too by a patient under arrest, it's also the episode with Iain and Jez.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:52
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Nice to see the spoilers yet again got it All wrong yet again
As the producer said on breakfast news other morning that All the stories you heard are totally wrong
What spoilers got it wrong? I thought it was always quite clear no main character was in any danger of leaving.

They said a helicopter would crash - it did, that there would be a lot of death - there was, just all extras.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:54
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I quite enjoyed that. My favourite moments:

1. That car evidently emerging from a wormhole in the middle of the road to slam into Steph.
2. Jacob's foolproof plan to find Connie consisting of simply yelling "CONNIE!!" out of an open window for half an hour.
3. The slow dramatic push in on the present with a bell playing in the background, which was one step away from a Welsh choir singing "IT'S A DROOOOOOOOOOOOOONE"
4. The helicopter crash briefly turning into Saw (great stunt though)
5. It bears mentioning again, but Jacob attempting to lift an entire hospital by himself.
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Old 27-08-2016, 22:58
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Yes, forgot to say that I liked the new title sequence and hope it's not just for this one episode.
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Old 27-08-2016, 23:01
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A rather enjoyable episode, if not slightly disappointing at the same time.

I think Grace should die, I've always detested her as a character, a spoilt, child. However I don't think Cas would have the guts to kill of a child, especially one who is so closely related to a main character.

Jacob got put in his place by Charlie and rightly so. He has been lording round the ED for too long putting his mutiple superhero powers into play. As showcased in this episode tonight, when his Connie senses were tingling and he was able to pinpoint their exact location.

Speaking of superheroes I saw this tweet about the old gang, it made me smile;
https://mobile.twitter.com/therealum...41017704349696

I am looking forward to seeing Holby on Tuesday and think it's a very clever way of boosting ratings.

7/10 - would watch again.
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Old 27-08-2016, 23:01
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Agreed on the title sequence, hope we never have to see Jacob kicking in that door again. Was great seeing Charlie call him out about his ego problem too.
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Old 27-08-2016, 23:10
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Oddly a story of a calcified baby story appeared on a news feed I was reading earlier this week. I thought it was a new story, but I can't find it now, so I was sitting watching the episode thinking it was very topical, but perhaps not.
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