She`s also a massive hypocrite. She knew what Kevin did on their wedding day. But she went ahead and married him anyway just so she could get her mitts on the cafe. She admitted it to Angela as I recall.

She's quite a tough cookie but I think a lot of that is for show actually. She can be soft and tender in certain company. Look at Colin for example - she wasn't horrid to him, she let him down nicely when he fancied her for all of five seconds!


Good on her I say! Shows she is ambitious and wanted to get one over on Kevin. Can't see the problem!

Citadel I completely agree with you on that one. If there was any way that Sheryl could have continued the prosecution I would feel differently. Debbie did Sheryl a favor she prevented her from going to prison. Sheryl tried to bury Kevin alive. No way should she have believed that Kevin was going to go to prison and say nothing about that. If he was that good a person he wouldn't have raped anyone in the first place. What Debbie is doing is the only logical way that Kevin will ever be punished.

Absolutely! Debbie might be tough on the surface but I think she's quite a decent person deep down, just a bit misunderstood.

I think debbie is a big softtee at heart you could see that in her relationship with Colin.

So someone has started a new thread devoted to Kevin. I'll probably the only one to post to it. But if anyone else wants to...

Interesting spoiler re: Kevin

OMG!

I don't know I don't think that this latest development makes me feel any differently about the Kevin rape storyline. It shouldn't have been done, that it had some OMG moments doesn't change much for me.

Did anyone besides me see the latest plot twist in Hollyoaks male rape storyline? I think they must have watched PYC's because the whole being arrested for ABH after being wound about your sexuality seems like it was directly lifted.

i still think pyc should be in the soap magazines

I found these 10 rules for writing soaps posted on another thread. I am posting them here because maybe the writers, storyliners and producers read this thread. I believe the current writing team is violating all 10 of these rules at the moment.

I find the rule about not changing a core character very applicable to the Kevin storyline atm.

How Not To Wreck A Show
* Watch the show.

* Learn the history of the show. You would be surprised at the ideas that you can get from the back story of your characters.

* Read the fan mail. The very characters that are not thrilling to you may be the audience's favorites.

* Be objective. When I wrote As the World Turns the first thing I said was, what is pleasing the audience? You have to put your own personal likes and dislikes aside and develop the characters that the audience wants to see.

* Talk to everyone; writers and actors especially. There may be something in a character's history that will work beautifully for you, and who would know better than the actor who has been playing the role?

* Don't change a core character. You can certainly give them edges they didn't have before, or give them a logical reason to change their behavior. But when the audience says, "He would never do that," then you have failed.

* Build new characters slowly. Everyone knows that it takes six months to a year for an audience to care about a new character. Tie them in to existing characters. Don't shove them down the viewers' throats.

* If you feel staff changes are in order, look within the organization first. P&G [Procter & Gamble] does a lot of promoting from within. Almost all of our producers worked their way up from staff positions, and that means they know the show.

* Don't fire anyone for six months. I feel very deeply that you should look at the show's canvas before you do anything.

* Good soap opera is good storytelling. It's very simple.

Great idea Sarah. I`ve never understood why PYC wasn`t included.

Bolded for the same reason as you sderr. Number 2 is important too.

Yes learn the backstory of your characters very important. In order to exit Macs with that Stupid sti storyline they had to dump Sion White's backstory. We now must believe that he doesn't care about his adult children.

That had me thinking about sion and the way he is with his children mostly with lolo and Huw he got more time for Britts children

I am going to add another rule to the soap writing rules. Don't repeat the same storyline over and over. Just because one storyline on rape worked doesn't mean three is better. Just because Eileen and Sioned have fought in the past doesn't mean the audience wants to see the same fight over and over. Just because people talked about the Iolo/Scott kiss it doesn't mean we want Iolo's next boyfriend to be a carbon copy of a previous character. Create new storylines related to the character's backstories.

Well done be nice to see Eileen and Sioned to kiss and make up

Absolutely fascinating, although I don't agree with 'Don't fire anyone for six months'. If you know which characters aren't working or have had their day, they should go ASAP.

So when would you say a character has had their day and should be dumped?

Well that's subjective, to be fair. Sometimes a character is backed into a corner, other times new characters come along and that character doesn't really gel with them. Or perhaps for whatever reason, the character isn't really working anymore. An example of this for me would be Mark. He's useless and his relationship with Gemma is just bleuch!

Can't stand Mark and Gemma. Why just why?

I think that I would be happy if the producers would obey the don't change a core character rule and remember the character's backstory rule. I'll live with Mark and Gemma for a while if they would just do those two things.

Yeah. The continuity on PYC is appalling, probably the worst on TV.

Its so bad I sometimes wonder if they do it on purpose. They must know how bad it is.

On the contrary - I don't think they even stop and think! Mind you it's not as bad as RTE's Fair City (which I no longer watch). Characters disappear on that for several months without explanation, and are only ever used if they have a storyline!