Stood still but miming !

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SCD-Observer

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Exactly, but any tune above an octave and a half, won't likely be a "ballroom dance tune" if there are lyrics to it.

For those unaware, as I've posted this information before...

Historically, popular music was sold in sheet music form as at one time there were more pianos in homes than radios, and for decades sheet music outsold records.
The charts were based on sheet music sales until 1952.
So there was no point in writing a popular tune outside those parameters, that purchasers would buy, play and "sing round a piano," as an octave and a half is the limit of the average person's vocal range. Otherwise, they wouldn't buy it.

All the classic tunes used for dance from the best loved musicals fit this format. This tradition has carried on since.
Any song sung by Frank Sinatra demonstrates this fact very well. It's not until we got to the age of digital enhancement, (apart from a few "vocal athletes") was there any significant change.”

But crooner songs like Nat King Cole's are often within or one or two notes above an octave. It's very easy to sing them. Part of the reason why The Sound of Music was so popular was that most of the songs written for the musical fell within the octave range. Edelweiss is a clear example.

Pet Monkey

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by conchie:
“Sorry.... you should have been watching it on tv. He was SOOOOO out of sync it was screamingly obvious.”

I haven't seen the show yet but have to say that it's more likely that someone present in the studio would have accurate tracking between sound and vision than those of us at home

missiemoo

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by primer:
“it was an absolute dirge. classical singers should not attempt crossover. only someone like frank sinatra (or michael buble) can carry such a slow song effectively.”

Personally prefer the "original" - Nat King Cole - brilliant and I am not even of that era.

Doghouse Riley

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“But crooner songs like Nat King Cole's are often within or one or two notes above an octave. It's very easy to sing them. Part of the reason why The Sound of Music was so popular was that most of the songs written for the musical fell within the octave range. Edelweiss is a clear example.”

Yes.

We can pick out individual singers and songs all day.

Ethel Merman, the famous actress/musicals singer it's said had songs written around "her best three notes!"

Your choice of Nat Cole actually confirms what I've said, songs within the parameters I quoted, they don't have to be an octave and a half, just no more than that.

kaycee

14-10-2013

I love Andrea Bocelli but this song was wrong for him - actually it is wrong for everyone, ghastly song.

Was he miming? He isn't one known to mime, but that part of the show is (I believe) not shown live so it could be the production was at fault.

SCD-Observer

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Yes.

We can pick out individual singers and songs all day.

Ethel Merman, the famous actress/musicals singer it's said had songs written around "her best three notes!"

Your choice of Nat Cole actually confirms what I've said, songs within the parameters I quoted, they don't have to be an octave and a half, just no more than that.”

Indeed.

alan29

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by kaycee:
“I love Andrea Bocelli but this song was wrong for him - actually it is wrong for everyone, ghastly song.

Was he miming? He isn't one known to mime, but that part of the show is (I believe) not shown live so it could be the production was at fault.”

Its a lovely simple song with beautifully shaped melodic phrases and very direct words.
Apart from the miming - which was obvious - it was pitched rather low for his voice. It could have been put up at least a fourth, but then, maybe it would have lost the intimacy and become some sort of ghastly torch song.

Doghouse Riley

14-10-2013

On the subject of Nat Cole, some of the younger people on here, who may not or only vaguely have heard of him, may not know that he was a respected jazz pianist long before he made his name as a popular singer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCEcDhF2LSo

Cadiva

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by alan29:
“Apart from the miming”

The miming that someone who was actually at the show while it was being recorded categorically said he wasn't doing you mean?

The song simply didn't suit him, it was a waste of his vocal talents and range but he/his management company seem to want him to branch out a bit more in his career.

SCD-Observer

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“On the subject of Nat Cole, some of the younger people on here, who may not or only vaguely have heard of him, may not know that he was a respected jazz pianist long before he made his name as a popular singer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCEcDhF2LSo”

I wish Zenph re-perform Nat's piano playing. They did the same with Oscar Peterson and here is the example. A little creepy, but very

.

I bought Rachmaninov's re-performance and Glen Gould's Goldberg's Variations and they were AMAZING, goose-bump kind of amazing...

Doghouse Riley

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“I wish Zenph re-perform Nat's piano playing. They did the same with Oscar Peterson and here is the example. A little creepy, but very .

I bought Rachmaninov's re-performance and Glen Gould's Goldberg's Variations and they were AMAZING, goose-bump kind of amazing...”

That was amazing.

So many good jazz pianists are long gone. "Emotional expression" seems so absent from performances of a lot of contemporary music.

Two of my favourites, this one, with a favourite tenor sax player of mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYF_tZ_cTM

They had the "best tunes" many suitable for ballroom dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw

SCD-Observer

14-10-2013

Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“That was amazing.

So many good jazz pianists are long gone. "Emotional expression" seems so absent from performances of a lot of contemporary music.

Two of my favourites, this one, with a favourite tenor sax player of mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYF_tZ_cTM

They had the "best tunes" many suitable for ballroom dancing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LFVWBmoiw”

Yes, enchanting.

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