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Old 13-10-2013, 22:06
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couldn't help but notice tamera looked like she was miming last night, fell back onto the gate things, the vocal dipped but the singing continued without her lips moving. happened quite a lot through her song and the camera did not stay focused on her face for more than a few seconds throughout the song.

noticed it also with sam c and kingsland road :/

apologies if this has been threaded before
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Old 13-10-2013, 22:42
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I was certain I saw it with Sam C but didn't notice it with any of the others. Though his vocal was criticised it was actually remarkably better than it usually is.
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Old 13-10-2013, 22:50
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Yep I'm also sure tamera mimed . There was about 3 or 4 times it seemed quite obvious to me
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Old 13-10-2013, 22:51
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I was certain I saw it with Sam C but didn't notice it with any of the others. Though his vocal was criticised it was actually remarkably better than it usually is.
I believe there was a deal of miming among the groups, certainly the "vocal harmonies," with Miss Dynamix and possibly, though I'm not sure, Kingsland Rd, sounded too good to be true.

However, I thought Rough Copy's were live..

I thought that Miss Dynamix's final audition was mimed, regarding the harmonies.

I've always thought that the harmonies on the naff group songs on Sunday night were way too good also....

It's bad enough that these groups have to rely on backing tracks to "fill out," their harmony..it only adds to the sham if the soloists are up to it as well.

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Old 13-10-2013, 23:00
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It definitely sounded like prerecorded backing tracks were used heavily. Maybe another desperate attempt to boost flagging ratings by making the contestants appear better than they actually are?
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Old 13-10-2013, 23:02
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It definitely sounded like prerecorded backing tracks were used heavily. Maybe another desperate attempt to boost flagging ratings by making the contestants appear better than they actually are?
Yup, they did this with one direction.and it was extremely obvious back then so no reason to think they wouldn't do it again.
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Old 13-10-2013, 23:06
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Yup, they did this with one direction.and it was extremely obvious back then so no reason to think they wouldn't do it again.
Yeah, I remember that being kind of irritating. At the time I guessed it was Simon's doing. But using it so much, and so blatantly now, don't they realize people will notice and be turned off by it?
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Old 13-10-2013, 23:09
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Yeah, I remember that being kind of irritating. At the time I guessed it was Simon's doing. But using it so much, and so blatantly now, don't they realize people will notice and be turned off by it?
Yep, with One Direction, it was amusing, because for weeks, they sang in unison (badly) and then suddenly, after it being mentioned that they needed to work on harmony, magically these perfect harmonies appeared.

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Old 13-10-2013, 23:14
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Yep, with One Direction, it was amusing, because for weeks, they sang in unison (badly) and then suddenly, after it being mentioned that they needed to work on harmony, magically these perfect harmonies appeared.

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Yes but as you said earlier using it on the soloists too is just too much. Sam C seemed to be obviously miming to me.

What exactly is the point of this show now

One thing though, Luke was awful so did they not bother with him
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Old 13-10-2013, 23:17
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Yes but as you said earlier using it on the soloists too is just too much. Sam C seemed to be obviously miming to me.

What exactly is the point of this show now
Good question. If they're not going to sing live, then there is no point.
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Old 13-10-2013, 23:18
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couldn't help but notice tamera looked like she was miming last night, fell back onto the gate things, the vocal dipped but the singing continued without her lips moving. happened quite a lot through her song and the camera did not stay focused on her face for more than a few seconds throughout the song.
I cant see how she was miming at that part, the vocals dipped because she switched hands with the mic and forgot about keeping the mic close to her mouth. If anything it proves she wasn't miming. I couldn't see her mouth not moving at any parts she was singing either.

If Tamera was miming then someone needs firing because she was a bit flat and out of tune at times when surely she should have been perfect. Also she was out of time at the start.
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Old 14-10-2013, 00:04
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As someone who studies lip-syncing vs. live vocals, I can honestly say the only time X Factor utilizes such a thing is during the group performances on result shows. While the contestants do rely on a backing track, they're always singing live.

I think it's strange for you all to be critiquing the contestants when Ellie Goulding and Cher both relied heavily on their backing tracks.
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Old 14-10-2013, 00:06
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There were a lot of backing tracks during the "harmonies" and chorus of pretty much everyone. Only Sam Bailey, Nicholas and that piano woman seemed to sing everything live.
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Old 14-10-2013, 01:25
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I thought it was live the contestants performance and you can tell Tamera was singing live when she leaned back on the gate her vocal went off for a split second as she fell back then she started singing better again.
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Old 14-10-2013, 01:30
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It definitely sounded like prerecorded backing tracks were used heavily. Maybe another desperate attempt to boost flagging ratings by making the contestants appear better than they actually are?
Agree on both counts.
Miss Dynamix had at least twelve voices going on. Sounded weird with only three singing.
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Old 14-10-2013, 11:50
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Miss dynamix mimed their whole song which is a disgrace. Tamera did it for her performance up to the point when she fell back on the gate and her real vocal kicked in and it was noticeably different from the recorded version. Rough copy mimed right up until the last few seconds. Luke (chewbacca was miming as well and kingsland road were doing a 1 direction with those perfect chouses it was very hard to tell if they were miming in the rest as they were moving around so much Every body on there last night had enhanced vocals and loud backing tracks turned up to 11.

It was very noticeable in the way the camera only stayed on people for a few seconds then zoomed out to the back of the studio or the huge microphones covering there mouths
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Old 14-10-2013, 12:19
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As someone who studies lip-syncing vs. live vocals, I can honestly say the only time X Factor utilizes such a thing is during the group performances on result shows. While the contestants do rely on a backing track, they're always singing live.

I think it's strange for you all to be critiquing the contestants when Ellie Goulding and Cher both relied heavily on their backing tracks.
I totally agree about the "group," performances, I've always suspected that these were mimed, or at least, the backing tracks were.

I've no issue with backing tracks, though I think I'd prefer a live band playing..

I have a serious issue with vocal harmonies being put on backing tracks and then being passed off as actual vocal harmonies sung by the groups..

They all auditioned as a vocal group which could supply it's own and it would be a serious test for them to be able to come out with them in a live situation.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure that artists such as JLS didn't sing all of their harmonies live, even when they made it..the "argument," being that as they moved about so much that it would affect the quality of the sound..

Well, my advice would be stop doing it then or, at least, choreograph the numbers so that movement takes place when they aren't singing..

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Old 14-10-2013, 12:24
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Pretty sure that they've made no secret of the group performances being mimed in the past - I seem to recall some bullpoo about it being "the only fair way of doing it" since people singing better than others live in the group song may give them they edge in the vote... the vote for who is the best singer... Yeah.

It was dreadfully mimed last night - one of the KR boys was miming to completely different words than the rest (and one of the lasses did this towards the end of the song, too).
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Old 14-10-2013, 12:35
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The group numbers are clearly mimed and have been for a while. I think they did try to do it live originally and it was a complete hot mess, so they swiftly changed to miming. That doesn't really bother me, tbh. The group number doesn't influence voting and I quite like hearing how the contestants would sound in a 'studio' recording.

I don't believe they would ever have an act mime completely to their individual numbers. However, I do think some of them are now getting a LOT of help in the form of backing tracks and echoing, and maybe some subtle auto-tuning, after it proved so successful for 1D in 2010. Again, it doesn't really bother me in the sense that most professional artists would also receive this type of help nowadays when they sing live. What DOES, however, bother me is the possibility that the show could use it to help their favoured acts whilst throwing some of the others under the bus. I think they should be required by law to flash up a disclaimer before any performance to state that vocal enhancement techniques have been used, so that the audience is aware of what they're watching.
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Old 14-10-2013, 12:36
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It was dreadfully mimed last night - one of the KR boys was miming to completely different words than the rest (and one of the lasses did this towards the end of the song, too).
I've not watched the group performance for a number of series, largely because I think it's a complete w**k which gives us no insight into any of the performers....and it's usually a sacrilegious hotch-potch of an arrangement of a passably decent song.

I assume they mime, because, in a week, it's a pretty difficult thing to organize and stage, which begs the question..
Why on earth do they carry on with it?

I wonder whether there's any one out here who thinks:

"I can't wait till Sunday night, in order to check out what amazing group song, they're going to come up with and how my favourites will cope."

It's a wonder that the contestants don't stage a mass rebellion against its naffness..but then, in the end, they all have, to a greater, or lesser degree, become musical prostitutes, in order to get their chance at a slice of the fame pie.

Perhaps one way of "rebelling," would be to do what some groups used to do on TOTP, way back when, when they had to mime and just deliberately sing/play out of synch with the backing track....

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Old 14-10-2013, 12:39
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I totally agree about the "group," performances, I've always suspected that these were mimed, or at least, the backing tracks were.

I've no issue with backing tracks, though I think I'd prefer a live band playing..

I have a serious issue with vocal harmonies being put on backing tracks and then being passed off as actual vocal harmonies sung by the groups..

They all auditioned as a vocal group which could supply it's own and it would be a serious test for them to be able to come out with them in a live situation.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure that artists such as JLS didn't sing all of their harmonies live, even when they made it..the "argument," being that as they moved about so much that it would affect the quality of the sound..

Well, my advice would be stop doing it then or, at least, choreograph the numbers so that movement takes place when they aren't singing..

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I think all of this really started with One Direction in 2010. On virtually every performance, there was a huge choir of male voices on their backing track (to the point where any live vocals were nearly being drowned out).

It only exposes the point that it's an entertainment show, and not a talent search and that the singers' vocals are not really being judged at all (certainly not by the four stooges reading out the producers' script on the panel).
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Old 14-10-2013, 12:45
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I think all of this really started with One Direction in 2010. On virtually every performance, there was a huge choir of male voices on their backing track (to the point where any live vocals were nearly being drowned out).

It only exposes the point that it's an entertainment show, and not a talent search and that the singers' vocals are not really being judged at all (certainly not by the four stooges reading out the producers' script on the panel).
Well said, it didn't take a genius to work out that One Direction weren't exactly going to give us Beach Boy style vocal harmonies..

Actually, if I recall, they sang in unison for a while and then, after comments from the judges about "needing," to produce some harmonies, they magically appeared.....and they sounded so good!

Who would've thought that the boys could sing in harmony in such a short time.....they truly became the complete package!


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Old 14-10-2013, 12:52
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It's been going on for years..... Frankly it's not an issue anymore. These "acts" are just fronts or facades or the face of a product that's designed to shift units, sell tickets and flog merch'. Their ability to actually sing is completely irrelevant as this can be added in or provided by real singers in the background. They don't even need to be able to mime well as this can be masked by quick-cut editing, long shots and jerking about.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:11
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It's been going on for years..... Frankly it's not an issue anymore. These "acts" are just fronts or facades or the face of a product that's designed to shift units, sell tickets and flog merch'. Their ability to actually sing is completely irrelevant as this can be added in or provided by real singers in the background. They don't even need to be able to mime well as this can be masked by quick-cut editing, long shots and jerking about.
Showing us that the entire show is a fraud in many respects. It's not a talent search and the acts are not being "judged"....if anything, it's about the producers trying to convince the public the acts are a lot better than they actually are.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:15
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Tamera was Deffo miming it was so obvious , singing when her lips weren't moving dead give away
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