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Old 14-10-2013, 13:01
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I used to be a big fan of the X-Factor but to be honest I am not sure how much longer I can watch this crap.

Do the judges listen to the singers or is how they sing not important. Abi butchered Living By A Prayer but they all said how new and fresh it was. Sam could not sing Summer of 69 but again the comments were positive as he "has the complete package".

I miss Simon because I knew if an act was bad he would say so (including his own acts).

I have started to watch Strictly and to be honest I find it funny, entertaining and the judges are all good.

May be the end of my X-Factor viewing
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:10
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i watched darts on sky (rock n roll), my wife watched xfactor on the other tv. i saw the results show last night tho. i think for me its like radio 1 - the reason I dont listen anymore is because its not them, its me. I guess I've just grown out of it. i dip in an out as and when but its no longer my regular saturday night viewing
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:12
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I used to be a big fan of the X-Factor but to be honest I am not sure how much longer I can watch this crap.

Do the judges listen to the singers or is how they sing not important. Abi butchered Living By A Prayer but they all said how new and fresh it was. Sam could not sing Summer of 69 but again the comments were positive as he "has the complete package".

I miss Simon because I knew if an act was bad he would say so (including his own acts).

I have started to watch Strictly and to be honest I find it funny, entertaining and the judges are all good.

May be the end of my X-Factor viewing
Switched off after 2010, too much reliance on media manipulation and taking paying public voters for idiots. Watching Strictly and my son asked why I was watching it? My reply, the judges actually offer constructive critique, plus I enjoy the feel good factor. Darcy gives wonderful critique, Bruno and Len make me laugh and Craig will go into a list of what needs improving and then say, thanks for listening last week as you have improved on ....... However, all four judges provide constructive criticism above all. Compare that with X Factor judges and the comments they come up with.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:15
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Same here I'm afraid. This is the first year that I haven't watched the Sunday show of the X Factor. I was really annoyed that Louis didn't pick Paul as he was a far better singer than any he did pick, although the little Scottish lad has a nice voice - but too young in my opinion. I watched some of Saturday's but only found Sam Reilly impressive. They really seem to be pushing for someone marketable, even more so this year. I can't bear it when they say "you put your own stamp on it" or "you made it your own" - murdered the song in other words. I think the only one I've been impressed with who "put their own stamp on it" in this type of show is Adam Lambert from American Idol.

Didn't like all the tweeting rubbish either, just a filler and not very well done to boot.

I love Strictly - even though they have a bit of a ringer in it this year. So much more entertaining.

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Old 14-10-2013, 13:22
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I was actually pretty interested in the X Factor this year through the auditions and judge house bits, thought there were some really decent singers in there.

But then they somehow managed to end up with the most uninteresting final 12 I've seen in years. Same old crap is how I'd sum it up as well.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:27
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Don't watch it then simple.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:36
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Don't watch it then simple.
Personally I won't be from now on.

But I still find it strange (and worthy of debate) how they managed to go from quite a few fairly interesting performers in the early auditions and judges houses to such an incredibly dull final 12.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:40
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I used to be a big fan of the X-Factor but to be honest I am not sure how much longer I can watch this crap.

Do the judges listen to the singers or is how they sing not important. Abi butchered Living By A Prayer but they all said how new and fresh it was. Sam could not sing Summer of 69 but again the comments were positive as he "has the complete package".

I miss Simon because I knew if an act was bad he would say so (including his own acts).

I have started to watch Strictly and to be honest I find it funny, entertaining and the judges are all good.

May be the end of my X-Factor viewing
I agree, used to really love it. I am a huge fan of the 1st series of Pop Idol (I like the basics side of it) - The mentoring, them showing their practice sing sessions etc. It seemed more organic, rather than manufactured like it is today. They seem to stifle originality (unless you're the chosen one)!!
I purely watch it now for entertainment. I no longer expect to invest in an artist, to buy their material once it ends - Those days are over. I have also not voted in one of these competitions since the brilliant Will Young won Pop Idol in 2002!
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:41
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Don't watch it then simple.
Oh we will still watch it, but there is no guarantee we will be able to stick with it till the final as mocking it only has limited mileage.

It's a valid thing to discuss for people who have followed the show from the start or for a period of time and have watched a previously great show fall to pieces.

This years final 12 are, no matter how much you try to dress it up, one of the poorest bunch of chancers I've seen on the show and incidentally, outside of the DS forum I don't know anyone who feels differently.

Pretty much everyone I know thinks the wrong 3 went through at JH (or near enough) with very little maneuver.

I think there is a reason for it too, if I may digress.

If you build acts up through the auditions, bootcamp and JH they will start to get a following. If you then go and drop those acts you will lose the interest of those who were following those acts and it's much, much harder to move onto another act as you haven't seen enough of them to invest in them.

Especially when you wipe out most peoples 1st, 2nd and 3rd favourites. Paul, Joseph, Melanie, Jade and Zoe (also even Andrea to a lesser extent) ripped the top 3/4 acts out of the competition for most people I know. After that, you're just not as interested because the ones you had earmarked as people you like or are interested in have gone and you're left with a batch of people that you just aren't that interested in.


It's different during the live shows, where you are seeing a limited selection over and over and over as you start to drop a favourite and there is someone else that through the process of the live shows, "you also quite like".

I think ditching those acts was a big, big mistake and DS favourites rarely match public favourites, that's seen every year.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:41
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Same here I'm afraid. This is the first year that I haven't watched the Sunday show of the X Factor. I was really annoyed that Louis didn't pick Paul as he was a far better singer than any he did pick, although the little Scottish lad has a nice voice - but too young in my opinion. I watched some of Saturday's but only found Sam Reilly impressive. They really seem to be pushing for someone marketable, even more so this year. I can't bear it when they say "you put your own stamp on it" or "you made it your own" - murdered the song in other words. I think the only one I've been impressed with who "put their own stamp on it" in this type of show is Adam Lambert from American Idol.

Didn't like all the tweeting rubbish either, just a filler and not very well done to boot.

I love Strictly - even though they have a bit of a ringer in it this year. So much more entertaining.

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Totally agree - Head and shoulders better than any of the final 12 (bar Rough Copy)!
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:44
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Don't watch it then simple.
Agreed if you really don't like that much then just simply don't watch it know one is forcing you watch it.
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Old 14-10-2013, 13:51
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I used to be a big fan of the X-Factor but to be honest I am not sure how much longer I can watch this crap.

I miss Simon because I knew if an act was bad he would say so (including his own acts).

May be the end of my X-Factor viewing
I think I say the same every year and have done so for some time, but part of me always hopes that this year things might be different, only to find that they've become worse..

I think the thing needs a complete overhaul and revamp and none of that would, IMO, involve going back to judges that have been and gone..look at the disaster area we've had with Mrs O...

I'd certainly dispute the notion that Cowell was a good, or fair judge.

He went out of his way to make sure that Robert Allen was ousted as the only serious competition for Leona..

And, even worse, in my book, he slaughtered Lucie Jones, who was a damn fine singer..
After weeks, of slagging off Jedward and saying "this is a singing contest," he ousted her, in favour of them when he had the opportunity to do the right thing.

Danni Minogue, the following week, had the option to "get her own back," yet chose to do the decent thing and save the better singer..

She, in my opinion, though I don't rate her as an artist, was, the only fair and objective judge the show has ever had...and I wouldn't want her back either!

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Old 14-10-2013, 13:59
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I want to throw something out there about the judges and Cowell that one of my friends said over the weekend and I think she has a point.

Cowell kind of IS the X Factor, he always was the face of the show. Since he went it was somewhat refreshing at first but now it's almost faceless. You used to feel that he was in control and now it feels like some faceless producers are in control.

That might have made it lose something.
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Old 14-10-2013, 14:36
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The only time I went to see a live show was for me, anyway, the last time it was decent.

The year Alexandra Burke won it. Alexandra, Laura, JLS, Diana

Great judge lineup

Simon Cowell
Cheryl Cole (her 1st year, before she was annoying)
Dannii
Louis

The following year, Cheryl and Simon continually blew smoke up each other's arse and we had the rent a mob/chav crowd auditions, went downhill for me after that. And its never recovered, especially with Simon gone.
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Old 14-10-2013, 14:38
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I used to be a big fan of the X-Factor but to be honest I am not sure how much longer I can watch this crap.

Do the judges listen to the singers or is how they sing not important. Abi butchered Living By A Prayer but they all said how new and fresh it was. Sam could not sing Summer of 69 but again the comments were positive as he "has the complete package".

I miss Simon because I knew if an act was bad he would say so (including his own acts).

I have started to watch Strictly and to be honest I find it funny, entertaining and the judges are all good.

May be the end of my X-Factor viewing

Simon can be very patronizing, too. "You're gonna be safe next week" is one of the many sly things he says.
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Old 14-10-2013, 14:59
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I agree, used to really love it. I am a huge fan of the 1st series of Pop Idol (I like the basics side of it) - The mentoring, them showing their practice sing sessions etc. ...

Those days are over. I have also not voted in one of these competitions since the brilliant Will Young won Pop Idol in 2002!
Sadly it's now all about character driven sob stories instead of talent.
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Old 14-10-2013, 15:38
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Sadly it's now all about character driven sob stories instead of talent.
We are asked to sob over the fact that people have children and have "ordinary" jobs
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Old 14-10-2013, 15:55
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Same here I'm afraid. This is the first year that I haven't watched the Sunday show of the X Factor. I was really annoyed that Louis didn't pick Paul as he was a far better singer than any he did pick, although the little Scottish lad has a nice voice - but too young in my opinion. I watched some of Saturday's but only found Sam Reilly impressive. They really seem to be pushing for someone marketable, even more so this year. I can't bear it when they say "you put your own stamp on it" or "you made it your own" - murdered the song in other words. I think the only one I've been impressed with who "put their own stamp on it" in this type of show is Adam Lambert from American Idol.

Didn't like all the tweeting rubbish either, just a filler and not very well done to boot.

I love Strictly - even though they have a bit of a ringer in it this year. So much more entertaining.

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Sorry, meant Bailey.
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Old 14-10-2013, 15:58
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Cowell kind of IS the X Factor, he always was the face of the show. Since he went it was somewhat refreshing at first but now it's almost faceless. You used to feel that he was in control and now it feels like some faceless producers are in control.
I think the show misses Simon.. or just someone who the audience and the contestants want to hear the opinion of.

Unfortunately over the years I think he's ruined his own reputation in a way. Don't get me wrong, I think Simon's probably always tried to manipulate the public - but he's so obvious about it now a days that it becomes annoying to watch :yawn:

Great judge lineup

Simon Cowell
Cheryl Cole (her 1st year, before she was annoying) * Dannii
Louis

The following year, Cheryl and Simon continually blew smoke up each other's arse
* Unfortunately I can't see that happening.

IF she does return, I can imagine it will be like 2010-style smugness between her and Simon all over again where she's basically using the entire show as her own personal platform/show. This is why I wouldn't want her to come back. I also think she brings out the worst in Simon as a judge too.

I think the show should go for someone like Rochelle from the Saturdays; she's down to earth and a favourite of the showbiz media.
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Old 14-10-2013, 16:05
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We are asked to sob over the fact that people have children and have "ordinary" jobs
Yeah, their lives are so much tougher than ours and they've so many more obstacles to overcome

This year, the blubbing has reached epidemic proportions, to the point where it was literally sickening to watch it..#

Mercifully, we were spared that over the weekend and there were even a few references to it, so maybe the penny has finally dropped that we've already reached saturation point.

I hope so..

I'd rather be moved to tears by a damn fine musical performance than hearing about someone's kid being important to them and them wanting to change their lives for the better..

Well, isn't that what most parents want for their kids?

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Old 14-10-2013, 16:12
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I think the show should go for someone like Rochelle from the Saturdays; she's down to earth and a favourite of the showbiz media.
Quite, I think the judging panel should be swept clean and totally new blood involved.

Going back to ex-judges hasn't worked in the case of Osbourne and I could do without a "triumphant," return of Ms Cole doing her "people's princess," routine and she's got about as much musical credibility and kudos as any of the Spice Girls, Mel C excepted as she's actually quite capable..and these days could sing Ms Cole off the stage.

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Old 14-10-2013, 17:36
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I agree OP with every point you raised. Strictly trounces X Factor and when it's cheesy it's not afraid to admit it. The X Factor is still trying to present itself as an innovative talent show. The Judges critiques are crap as well - maybe they should do away with the mentoring and have one management team to deal with all the contestants. The Show needs to be less about the Judges.
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:08
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I want to throw something out there about the judges and Cowell that one of my friends said over the weekend and I think she has a point.

Cowell kind of IS the X Factor, he always was the face of the show. Since he went it was somewhat refreshing at first but now it's almost faceless. You used to feel that he was in control and now it feels like some faceless producers are in control.

That might have made it lose something.
I'd agree with this, I think it was perhaps easier for viewers to rationalise and deal with the manipulation of the acts & voting etc on the show when Simon was there because it was possible to blame him for the dodgy stuff as the "face" of the show. He was the "panto villain" at times.

Now he's no longer there, there's no obvious "panto villain" type character, all the judges seem to want to present themselves as above board and honest yet the same dodgy manipulation still happens in the same way it always has. So there's no one on screen to to focus the blame on any more, which is all very frustrating!
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Old 14-10-2013, 18:28
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Living On A Prayer. Sorry to be pedantic
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