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AGEISM in the X FACTOR
I find the attitude towards older singer completely disgraceful
People who have incredible voices, flawless pitch and tone are rubbished 'Butlins fodder' 'The next Jane McDonald' just because theyre over a certain age they cannot sell records. Youth today is so disrespectful of older singers. Whilst the likes of Sam Callahan, One Dimension, Kingsland bore who are mediocre, cannot sing but are young and easy on the eye are put on a pedastal. What kind of message is that. The reactions to Cher i saw on social media and on here last night were disgusting This woman has sold millions of albums, had a career thats lasted decades and shes really honed her craft Shes won an oscar a grammy an emmy! Yet these snot nosed little 12 year olds calling her for allsorts last night made my blood boil! |
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To be fair, non-teens are blasting her (Cher) for her underwhelming performance.
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To be fair, non-teens are blasting her (Cher) for her underwhelming performance.
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It was fine. It was the type of performance Cher has always given.
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The people who gave Cher bad comments aren't fit to wipe her ass.
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I highly doubt Cher gives a sh!t what a bunch of kiddies on the internet say about her or her music.
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Social media is ruled by teenagers, and guess what: they do not like old performers, same way we did when we were young! So I wouldn't worry that much.
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Social media is ruled by teenagers, and guess what: they do not like old performers, same way we did when we were young! So I wouldn't worry that much.
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IIRC most of the comments are about her and her excellent surgeon
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There's a big difference between a Cruise Ship singer like Shelley and someone with a mature sophisticated voice i.e Sam Bailey. I believe the audience can discern the difference. A lot of older people also watch XF and vote. Lorna is only 26 and she said today in the paper that whoever styled her made her look too frumpy and tried to make her look 34. I was saying that all along but I say Lorna should have taken charge of herself more and said NO!
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There's a big difference between a Cruise Ship singer like Shelley and someone with a mature sophisticated voice i.e Sam Bailey. I believe the audience can discern the difference. A lot of older people also watch XF and vote. Lorna is only 26 and she said today in the paper that whoever styled her made her look too frumpy and tried to make her look 34. I was saying that all along but I say Lorna should have taken charge of herself more and said NO!
she would always be edged out as she'd be competing directly with the girls who, incidentally, are actually in the Girls category :sleep: |
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But everyone was expecting the single Woman's World and she goes down the ballad route? Not the Cher the youth of the day know about.
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the trouble is though - all of the overs look like middle aged mums and therein lies the rub. age is irrelevant IMO, as long as you have the package. I've said it elsewhere but the overs this year has really highlighted why you need more than just a good voice. shelly looks like a club singer - shes styled that way and she performs like a club singer. she'll bomb out in the next few weeks.
if the overs want to survive they've got to consider their styling, song choices and arrangements. its not ageism, its reality - they look and sound frumpy |
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I'm surprised to hear people were criticising Cher I thought she sounded as good as ever and looked amazing for her age.
Having said that, young people like young singers. It's not exactly surprising, it's just human nature. |
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I am from Cher's era. My first love and I's special record was *I got you babe*
So am I ageist in saying I thought she was awful! Time to give her vocal chords a rest. I reckon she has had so much facial work done she can no longer move her muscles which affects her voice.I want to remember her as she was way back and before that bloody autotune! |
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It was nice to see that Cher is still alive and kicking but at some stage you do wonder if it wouldn't be more graceful to retire.
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It was nice to see that Cher is still alive and kicking but at some stage you do wonder if it wouldn't be more graceful to retire.
Another one who doesn't sound good with age is Paul McCartney and I was shocked that David Bowie sounds so bad. And yet Leonard Cohen sounds good at 80 something.. |
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I've always ageism was rife in the X Factor.
The 'Overs' catgory is pointless because unless you look / behave like someone who's under 25 (like Kye Sones from last year) you have no chance of doing well!! I feel sorry for the overs as I feel they are jsut being used a 'token oldies'!! |
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It will be interesting to see how Lillie McCabe fairs in US version. She is 54 but looks half her age, has got a tremendous voice, has the experience of staging and live performance of a wide range of styles. I think she could tear up a few modern tracks and teach the youngsters that their stuff can be done with more class!
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the trouble is though - all of the overs look like middle aged mums and therein lies the rub. age is irrelevant IMO, as long as you have the package. I've said it elsewhere but the overs this year has really highlighted why you need more than just a good voice. shelly looks like a club singer - shes styled that way and she performs like a club singer. she'll bomb out in the next few weeks.
if the overs want to survive they've got to consider their styling, song choices and arrangements. its not ageism, its reality - they look and sound frumpy |
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Have to say I agree. I can't believe that they are only in their 30s! Lots of older people can have good figures, great styling and decent elegant clothes. There are plenty of older glamorous women on TV. The show is called the X-factor and image is part of the package.
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There's a big difference between a Cruise Ship singer like Shelley and someone with a mature sophisticated voice i.e Sam Bailey. I believe the audience can discern the difference. A lot of older people also watch XF and vote. Lorna is only 26 and she said today in the paper that whoever styled her made her look too frumpy and tried to make her look 34. I was saying that all along but I say Lorna should have taken charge of herself more and said NO!
![]() ![]() She certainly implied anyone over the age of 35 had a very low IQ... and were thick! |
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the trouble is though - all of the overs look like middle aged mums and therein lies the rub. age is irrelevant IMO, as long as you have the package. I've said it elsewhere but the overs this year has really highlighted why you need more than just a good voice. shelly looks like a club singer - shes styled that way and she performs like a club singer. she'll bomb out in the next few weeks.
if the overs want to survive they've got to consider their styling, song choices and arrangements. its not ageism, its reality - they look and sound frumpy If you look at some of the biggest stars in the world, most of them are well over 25 but they release contemporary songs and are styled like normal people of their age. Sam, Shelly and Lorna are all under 35 but styled like they're not far off their pension. |
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It didn't help Caroline Goode, though. I was gutted when she was first out. I loved her on Fame Academy and she looked and sounded terrific
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It will be interesting to see how Lillie McCabe fairs in US version.
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