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Old 14-10-2013, 13:57
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Hubbie just looked at a Pana spec, it gave figure of 178 how can this be what does this number refer to, surely this cannot be degrees of center.
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Old 14-10-2013, 14:02
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Hubbie just looked at a Pana spec, it gave figure of 178 how can this be what does this number refer to, surely this cannot be degrees of center.
Obviously it can't be degree off centre as otherwise you could view it from behind the TV.

It must refer to the total viewing angle, basically if you can see the front then you can view it as there is only 1 degree where you can't and that is virtually in line to the screen.
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Old 14-10-2013, 15:58
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Obviously it can't be degree off centre as otherwise you could view it from behind the TV.

It must refer to the total viewing angle, basically if you can see the front then you can view it as there is only 1 degree where you can't and that is virtually in line to the screen.
The viewing angle is pretty much a full 180 degrees (i.e. +/- 90 degrees).
So your viewing angle of 178 degrees refers almost a sit anywhere (Left or Right) and not lose contrast....
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Old 14-10-2013, 16:23
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The viewing angle is pretty much a full 180 degrees (i.e. +/- 90 degrees).
So your viewing angle of 178 degrees refers almost a sit anywhere (Left or Right) and not lose contrast....
Yes that is what I thought it might be but it did seem quite a almost too good to be true figure, taking into account the usual performance in this respect of lcd screens.
If pana are so good in practice they must be the best in this regard ??
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Old 14-10-2013, 16:49
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If pana are so good in practice they must be the best in this regard ??
It's a fairly typical figure, Sony ones have always had exceptional viewing angles as well.
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Old 14-10-2013, 19:18
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Yes that is what I thought it might be but it did seem quite a almost too good to be true figure, taking into account the usual performance in this respect of lcd screens.
If pana are so good in practice they must be the best in this regard ??
I said this in the other thread.
Almost all TV manufacturers claim 178/178 viewing angles horizontal and vertical, but in practise different panels vary as to how good they look when viewed from the side (or above and below).

Smaller panels that are really computer monitors may have lower figures in the specs.

Just go into a shop and look along a line of tellys from the side. It's likely that one or two will stand out and the rest will lose contrast.

Panasonics and Sonys are usually the LCDs with the better viewing angles, but you should check them out for yourself before buying, if possible.
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Old 14-10-2013, 22:41
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I said this in the other thread.
Almost all TV manufacturers claim 178/178 viewing angles horizontal and vertical, but in practise different panels vary as to how good they look when viewed from the side (or above and below).

Smaller panels that are really computer monitors may have lower figures in the specs.

Just go into a shop and look along a line of tellys from the side. It's likely that one or two will stand out and the rest will lose contrast.

Panasonics and Sonys are usually the LCDs with the better viewing angles, but you should check them out for yourself before buying, if possible.
Now thats odd, I have read several times comments along the lines that Sony are poor in this regard.
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Old 14-10-2013, 23:25
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Now thats odd, I have read several times comments along the lines that Sony are poor in this regard.
I've just stood up and wandered round to have a look at my Sony from the side. The picture's fine, though the colours fade slightly. That's right up to the point where I can't see the screen any more because I'm at 90 degrees to it.

You definitely don't get any of the "dark screen" effect you do on a monitor.
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Old 15-10-2013, 08:48
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Now thats odd, I have read several times comments along the lines that Sony are poor in this regard.
Go and look in a shop

Sony's are one of the best.

As others have mentioned, small sets DO tend to be poor though, on ALL makes.
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Old 15-10-2013, 10:32
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Plasma works best for viewing angle though they are going to be hard to find soon.
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Old 17-10-2013, 14:31
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Go and look in a shop

Sony's are one of the best.

As others have mentioned, small sets DO tend to be poor though, on ALL makes.
You say Sonys are best and look in a shop.

Ok I have been considering the Sony KDL-55w905a, both Trusted Reviews and HDtv test state it is poor as regards viewing from an angle.

I had for a few days a Samsung ue55f8000 at home Whathifi review stated poor viewing angles and it was unwatchable at 45deg at 9 feet distance in my lounge.

This morning I have viewed the Sony and another Samsung in a dealers and found they seemed pretty good !!

Now these reviewers now their stuff we hope and I know at least in one case they were correct, so could it be that the way these are set up for shop display masks angle problems?

And when I set up for normal pic at home its useless,the reviews of the above otherwise thought they were vgood.
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Old 17-10-2013, 15:02
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There is nothing wrong with viewing angles of the latest Samsung TV's. Sony are no better or worse.
That said, I don't understand people who sit at extreme angles to the TV.....
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Old 17-10-2013, 15:41
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Now these reviewers now their stuff we hope and I know at least in one case they were correct, so could it be that the way these are set up for shop display masks angle problems?
I've never considered reviewers know what they are on about, no matter what they say about any product - often they are influenced by who's paying the most for advertising.

There's nothing you can do in the setup to alter viewing angle, although like call100 I'm somewhat bemused why you'd want to view from such a silly angle anyway?.
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Old 17-10-2013, 16:06
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I've never considered reviewers know what they are on about, no matter what they say about any product - often they are influenced by who's paying the most for advertising.

There's nothing you can do in the setup to alter viewing angle, although like call100 I'm somewhat bemused why you'd want to view from such a silly angle anyway?.
Silly angle !! what on earth do you mean ? I sit staight on to the set at 11feet distance hubbie sits to my right 3feet from me slightly forward of my position at 9 feet from the screen.

My 40 inch Samsung es7000 gives no problem with this arrangment but I know the 55f8000 did and how!!
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Old 17-10-2013, 17:03
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Silly angle !! what on earth do you mean ? I sit staight on to the set at 11feet distance hubbie sits to my right 3feet from me slightly forward of my position at 9 feet from the screen.

My 40 inch Samsung es7000 gives no problem with this arrangment but I know the 55f8000 did and how!!
That doesn't sound like 45 degrees to me?
45 degrees would be exactly half way between watching the set from the front, flat on to the screen and directly to the side, in line with the screen.

Even so, my Samsung, which I don't consider to have particularly good viewing angles, is still perfectly watchable at 45 degrees, although the contrast is begining to fade at that angle.
I only watch it like that when I have guests who hog the sofa. Otherwise I watch it flat on.

I'm surprised you find any LCD completely unwatchable at 45 degrees? (TN panels excepted).
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Old 17-10-2013, 22:27
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The Sony KDL-55W905A has a swivelling base, unlike the 55F8000. You can position it mid-way between yourself and your husband. If you are unhappy with the TV being in demo mode then take a Blu-ray or DVD with you and ask the shop to let you view the TV with it, and don't forget your digital angle protractor!
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Old 18-10-2013, 10:59
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That doesn't sound like 45 degrees to me?
45 degrees would be exactly half way between watching the set from the front, flat on to the screen and directly to the side, in line with the screen.

Even so, my Samsung, which I don't consider to have particularly good viewing angles, is still perfectly watchable at 45 degrees, although the contrast is begining to fade at that angle.
I only watch it like that when I have guests who hog the sofa. Otherwise I watch it flat on.

I'm surprised you find any LCD completely unwatchable at 45 degrees? (TN panels excepted).
I have had the protractor out and yes you are correct its not 45 deg its 23 deg which makes it even worse, if a set cannot be viewed at that angle its useless for more than one viewer at a time.

I may have had a bad sample, and to repeat myself my 40" is fine, I have noted that the Sony has a swivel plinth again they have moved away from that fixed leaning backwards sound bar used on the 853.

I buy the av equipment in our house but I do have to consider " him indoors " from time to time and flagship sets at this price level should do better.

It seems from replies on this problem several dont rate reviews made by " experts " I do not pretend to understand many of the tests they make, but surely in the pros and cons and conclusions if they state a con is viewing angle restrictions it must be a honest opinion and have grounds for it.

As I stated I dont understand everything so tell me what is a TN panel.
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Old 18-10-2013, 11:36
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I may have had a bad sample, and to repeat myself my 40" is fine, I have noted that the Sony has a swivel plinth again they have moved away from that fixed leaning backwards sound bar used on the 853.
Has anyone ever figured out what that stupid idea was all about? - a number of other Sony models from the same period also tilted back, but could be set vertical as well during install (although the default was tilted).
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Old 18-10-2013, 11:38
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Every single LCD display looses something when viewed off centre away from the "sweet spot"

You wont be able to find a LED/LCD with the same viewing angle reproduction of a Plasma for example.

Numbers quoted by manufacturers are BS a lot of the time. You will still see a image at 180deg but it will either have a slight colour change, black washout or something.
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Old 18-10-2013, 12:38
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Has anyone ever figured out what that stupid idea was all about? - a number of other Sony models from the same period also tilted back, but could be set vertical as well during install (although the default was tilted).
The 853 lean back was fixed at 6 deg and could not be adjusted, unless you packed up the rear of the base.
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Old 18-10-2013, 12:42
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Every single LCD display looses something when viewed off centre away from the "sweet spot"

You wont be able to find a LED/LCD with the same viewing angle reproduction of a Plasma for example.

Numbers quoted by manufacturers are BS a lot of the time. You will still see a image at 180deg but it will either have a slight colour change, black washout or something.
Ok but at 23deg come on it should have done better at 2000
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Old 18-10-2013, 12:47
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Up to now I would have recommended Samsung everytime I love my es7000 but after the f8000 I tried I am unsure.

I think I will perhaps give the w9 a shake and see how it goes thank goodness there are one or two retailers with a goodwill policy.
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Old 18-10-2013, 13:14
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The 853 lean back was fixed at 6 deg and could not be adjusted, unless you packed up the rear of the base.
I know - what an utterly stupid idea!

It makes you wonder what idiots design these things?.
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Old 18-10-2013, 13:44
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I have had the protractor out and yes you are correct its not 45 deg its 23 deg which makes it even worse, if a set cannot be viewed at that angle its useless for more than one viewer at a time.

I may have had a bad sample, and to repeat myself my 40" is fine, I have noted that the Sony has a swivel plinth again they have moved away from that fixed leaning backwards sound bar used on the 853.

I buy the av equipment in our house but I do have to consider " him indoors " from time to time and flagship sets at this price level should do better.

It seems from replies on this problem several dont rate reviews made by " experts " I do not pretend to understand many of the tests they make, but surely in the pros and cons and conclusions if they state a con is viewing angle restrictions it must be a honest opinion and have grounds for it.

As I stated I dont understand everything so tell me what is a TN panel.
Are you sure you don't mean 67 degrees (or 113)?
Looking head on at the centre of the screen would be 90 degrees, and looking side on along the plane of the screen would be 0 degrees (or 180).
D'ya know, I think I'm confusing myself now?

Anyway, if your OH is just sitting three feet to the right of centre, then he shouldn't see any drop-off of contrast. Not at the viewing distance you posted. Perhaps the set you tried was faulty?
I do think that the larger the screen and the closer you sit to the screen, the more noticable changing your viewing angle becomes.

A TN (twisted nematic) panel is the type you find in budget computer monitors (and small cheap tellys), and generally quote veiwing angle figures of 160/140, rather than the 178/178 figures for VA or IPS panels used in proper TV panels.

You can easily tell a TN panel because if you look at it from above the picture looks very pale, and if you look at it from below the picture looks very dark.
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Old 18-10-2013, 14:59
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Well, it's 23 degrees off the perpendicular, whatever you want to call it. Which is about the angle I look at, since my wife is perpendicular to the screen. There's nothing at all wrong with the picture on my Sony at that angle - thought it's a 32 inch, which might make a difference.
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