We know the 50th will be the infamous Time War or at least in some capacity it will.

My thoughts have been on what SM said about continuing the story by taking it in a forwards direction for the next 50yrs (I'm paraphrasing of course)

My question/theory is this. Could the events of the Time War be rewritten? With three doctors in the mix and at least two of them overcome with guilt, do you think there could be a way to save the Timelords or at least a few of them? We've seen that the Time War can be entered and exited with Dalek Caan rescuing Davros.

What do you think?

I hope so. I dont understand why all the Timelords are dead and the Daleks arent. Anything in thr Whoniverse can be unwritten or changed coz weve seen it happen. I think it is time for the Timelords to be released. Im sick of the moping around by the Doctor. Time for a change from him moaning he is the last of his kind. I hope John Hurt timelocked them and 10 n 11 have been miserable about it coz they know it was wrong and the 50th sees the lock broken. We dont havr to have Timelords in it all the time but as far as Im concerned an essence of Doctor Who is missing. Perhaps P Capaldi told Moffat to stop being a so and so and bring the Timelords back. Will greatly enhance the future for me. Would be great if the Silence were Timelord agents and them n the Timelords end up causing Hurt and 11's regens.

I think when Dr Who returned the remaining sole time lord arc was unique and a good story point but it's moved on now and isn't relevant anymore and is also restrictive. How about the Dr unlocks the time lords and in gratitude they restore the regeneration cycle which the Dr resents as he is tired of travelling and losing companions. Now that would be a twist !!

I don't think Steven Moffat has any interest in bringing the Time Lords back. They had their grand reappearance in The End of Time, and considering that they seem to have devolved into psychopaths hellbent on destroying the universe, I suspect that's all we're getting.

Having said that, I also think there's some potential in having the Time Lords survive and decide they want revenge on the renegade who tried to blow them all up. Then the Doctor really would be on the run from his own people.

Three Doctors?

I don't think we know anything like that at all, do we?

The Time Lords were removed for a reason - they were a supposedly all-powerful race that could not, for story reasons, be allowed to do anything.

Much like the classic argument against God, the Time Lords must either be omnipotent and unwilling to intervene, or willing but incompetent. Otherwise they would be sorting everything out instead of the Doctor.

Given that that's the case, what's the point of them being around?

Funny how allmost everything can be changed exceopt when it suits the writers.
Personally I think it will be the JH "dark" doctor who is feeling guilty and trying to make things better by rewriting history. 11 and 10 with their freinds help will be trying to stop him. Just a theory but untill the episode airs I'm sticking with it. Would be nice to have a positive ending. 11 and 10 work togetehr and put things right. Will be cathrtic for them. Get rid of some of the guilt. Reckon he will be the last of the timelords. Unless River comes back to life or Clara gets pregnant with another timelord /human child of the tardis !.

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Yes, I've always thought this - Hurt's 'Doctor' looks like a man even more haunted by his choices than 9,10, or 11 were.

Star Trek has for years built stories about the Non-interference Prime Directive - just needs some imagination. The Time Lords are the Lords of Time not everything else.

tottally agree, It could be that Hurts Doctor was the one who did the unthinkable but required actions that ended the time war (and caused the regeneration?...out of shame or due to injury?) and has had many years to dwell on his actions.

9 was battle damaged from those events.

10 was possibly making up for his actions by over compensating at times to make amends?

11 has accepted the role that he played and moving on with his life?

If they wanted to they could rewite time so the Doctor never went to Logopolis and never fell off the Tower.

As a stand alone adventure I am not entirely sure we are going to get anything too complex.

I'm thinking more Christmas Special type stuff here...be nice to be proved Wrong.

This is what got me, RTD's principle of no more time lords was a good one, but constantly bringing back the Daleks, whilst entertaining kind of undermined that argument for me. Besides, as of series 7 The Daleks pretty much have a fully restored empire. To counter that, you might as well bring back the Time Lord's, albeit slightly neutered and less omnipotent (to prevent them from going mental again)

And as you say, The Doctor moping around the universe all alone & angst-y like it's an episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer has been played out as a story.

The Time Lords could be interesting, but it would need to be handled carefully. As pointed out, the last time we saw them they were about to wipe out all of time itself. We can't bring them back and have them going doing that, and since a vast majority were in favor of it, we need to find a way to make sure it dosen't happen like that.

Maybe the way they were going to do it is now damaged, or unusable, so they can't do it anymore.

I do like the idea of them not being too happy with the Doctor, and maybe act as a major antagonist towards him.

If the Timelords were to come back, they would need to be in at a earlier stage of their evolution than we have seen them previous.

Maybe at a time where they are first developing time travel and regeneration.

That would mean the doctor knowing what they potentially could become, he could then interact with his own people, but at the same time know that when they do a certain thing, it may well lead to something terrible hapenning.

I hope they do come back permanently! I for one used to quite like the Time Lords popping up every now and then. How many Time Lord centric stories have there actually been?

War Games
The Three Doctors
Deadly Assassin
Invasion of Time
Arc of Infinity
Five Doctors
Trial of a Time Lord (maybe not centric but big part!)

Not that many really!

*probably missing some!

Perhaps the Doctor(s) could break into the Last Day of the Timewar and point out that Timelord Groundhogday is worse than ending time itself. Im sure most of them would agree with that. Obviosly there will be some who arent like Rassilon and those who were on the nest with a crate of booze at their disposal. Rassilon is barking. The Timelords can Timelock him - Thank the Doctor, give him a brand new cycle with 13 gears..I mean lives... and then we can have them in the background most of the time.

Or Omega returns - breaks the Timelock. He coughs to the fact he set up the religion to keep an eye on the Doctor n protect him til the Doctor does whatever it is that (accidentally to the Doctor) lets Omega out of antimatter universe and break Timelock. Points out Rassilon is barking n he tried to murder him which Timelords are shocked at n so go against Rassilon and Omega now new President and forgives the Doctor coz he had to do it in the circumstances. gives him a new generation cycle.

Samuel L Jackson as Omega.

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This is perhaps a slightly bizarre question, but are we sure The Moment is a device or tool?

I've read some speculation that Hurt *is* The Moment. Perhaps The Moment is when the Doctor steps out of his normal path and becomes all about the fire, and ice, and rage, and very little about the Doctor.

It is the moment that he breaks his promise about being the doctor.

For the same reason the Star Wars prequels are universally loathed.
Because grand speeches and convoluted council meetings make for very, very dull viewing.

I think someone doesn't understand that 'spoilers' and 'speculation' AREN'T the same thing. :sleep:

Perhaps related to the powers Rose gained in 'The Parting of the Ways'?

Would be poetic if Eccleston's Doctor had to possess 'the moment' again and give it up in order to save one person (then have to regenerate) rather than possess it in order to commit genocide (then regenerate).

Is that Jimmy Savile?! :O