I still can't get any signal on 33 or 34 from Divis, have they started testing in any form? Should I be able to find something to tune in yet? I don't want to find out I can't receive COM7 and can't get BBC 4 or CBeebies in HD. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get it. Pre-DSO I could pick them up, 34 in particular being strong enough despite only being transmitted at 3kW and us being 40 odd miles away.
BBC THREE HD and CBBC HD placeholders now up
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Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“I still can't get any signal on 33 or 34 from Divis, have they started testing in any form? Should I be able to find something to tune in yet? I don't want to find out I can't receive COM7 and can't get BBC 4 or CBeebies in HD. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get it. Pre-DSO I could pick them up, 34 in particular being strong enough despite only being transmitted at 3kW and us being 40 odd miles away.”
“I still can't get any signal on 33 or 34 from Divis, have they started testing in any form? Should I be able to find something to tune in yet? I don't want to find out I can't receive COM7 and can't get BBC 4 or CBeebies in HD. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get it. Pre-DSO I could pick them up, 34 in particular being strong enough despite only being transmitted at 3kW and us being 40 odd miles away.”
COM7 at Divis isn't due to be switched on until 10 December. Though there may be some test signals about from time to time, you won't likely be getting anything at the moment. At sites where COM7 is already available, one should be able to watch Al Jazeera HD, and see placeholders for BBC Four, News and CBeebies HD.
Originally Posted by Paddy C:
“I still can't get any signal on 33 or 34 from Divis, have they started testing in any form? Should I be able to find something to tune in yet? I don't want to find out I can't receive COM7 and can't get BBC 4 or CBeebies in HD. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get it. Pre-DSO I could pick them up, 34 in particular being strong enough despite only being transmitted at 3kW and us being 40 odd miles away.”
“I still can't get any signal on 33 or 34 from Divis, have they started testing in any form? Should I be able to find something to tune in yet? I don't want to find out I can't receive COM7 and can't get BBC 4 or CBeebies in HD. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't get it. Pre-DSO I could pick them up, 34 in particular being strong enough despite only being transmitted at 3kW and us being 40 odd miles away.”
BBC Three HD and CBBC HD will be/are on the BBCB mux.
See http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...900600&page=18 for the most general COM7 thread which may have info on Divis.
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“The PMT, video and audio PIDs that were still in use on BBCB by the former LCN303 red button have been removed this morning. This may be to make way for the imminent arrival of a test BBC3/CBBC HD feed. I'll post again if anything appears.”
“The PMT, video and audio PIDs that were still in use on BBCB by the former LCN303 red button have been removed this morning. This may be to make way for the imminent arrival of a test BBC3/CBBC HD feed. I'll post again if anything appears.”
New PIDs are up:
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> PID found: 7001 (0x1b59) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream] > PID found: 7002 (0x1b5a) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream] > PID found: 7005 (0x1b5d) [unknown] > PID found: 7011 (0x1b63) [SECTION: DSM-CC - Download Data Messages (DDB)]
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Video #5 ID : 7001 (0x1B59) Menu ID : 18112 (0x46C0) Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L4.0 Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames Format settings, GOP : M=8, N=24 Codec ID : 27 Duration : 33s 0ms Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 25.000 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : MBAFF Color primaries : BT.709 Transfer characteristics : BT.709 Matrix coefficients : BT.709
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Audio #6 ID : 7002 (0x1B5A) Menu ID : 18112 (0x46C0) Format : AAC Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Format profile : LC Muxing mode : LATM Codec ID : 17 Duration : 33s 834ms Channel(s) : 2 channels Channel positions : Front: L R Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz Compression mode : Lossy Delay relative to video : -26mn 51s Language : English
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Menu #6 ID : 7100 (0x1BBC) Menu ID : 18112 (0x46C0) Duration : 33s 821ms List : 7001 (0x1B59) (AVC) / 7002 (0x1B5A) (AAC, English) / 7011 (0x1B63) () Language : / English Service name : CBBC HD Service type : advanced codec HD digital television UTC 2013-12-03 12:00:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 06:00:00 / Running UTC 2013-12-03 18:00:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 00:58:00 / Not running UTC 2013-12-04 05:30:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 01:30:00 / UTC 2013-12-04 07:00:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 05:00:00 / UTC 2013-12-05 12:00:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 06:00:00 / UTC 2013-12-10 05:30:00 : en: / en: / undefined / / 01:30:00 /
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“CBBC HD - LCN73 now showing a video coming soon message, has audio though it is silent.”
“CBBC HD - LCN73 now showing a video coming soon message, has audio though it is silent.”
Interesting that the graphic now has the COM7 channels on it as well, which could cause some confusion.
Originally Posted by kasg:
“Interesting that the graphic now has the COM7 channels on it as well, which could cause some confusion.”
“Interesting that the graphic now has the COM7 channels on it as well, which could cause some confusion.”
Good point. I see the MHEG plate currently showing on 105 simply says "New service launching soon" - we'll see at 7pm if the video and plate are able to switch over yet betwwen CBBC HD and BBC3 HD.
I already see that the PMT for CBBC HD (7100) is using the audio, video and subtitle pids in the 7000s which are logically more associated with BBC THREE HD's PMT at 7000 - so it looks hopeful that the PID sharing/switching is in place.
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“Good point. I see the MHEG plate currently showing on 105 simply says "New service launching soon" - we'll see at 7pm if the video and plate are able to switch over yet betwwen CBBC HD and BBC3 HD.”
“Good point. I see the MHEG plate currently showing on 105 simply says "New service launching soon" - we'll see at 7pm if the video and plate are able to switch over yet betwwen CBBC HD and BBC3 HD.”
Yep, switched OK, between 1858 and 1859.
Originally Posted by Sexbomb:
“All these new HD channels start next tues 10th dec :love:”
“All these new HD channels start next tues 10th dec :love:”
We have lots of circumstantial evidence for this, but do you have an actual confirmed source?
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“We have lots of circumstantial evidence for this, but do you have an actual confirmed source?”
“We have lots of circumstantial evidence for this, but do you have an actual confirmed source?”
It is confirmed by the Freeview EPG, as posted above.
Originally Posted by Greebo:
“We have lots of circumstantial evidence for this, but do you have an actual confirmed source?”
“We have lots of circumstantial evidence for this, but do you have an actual confirmed source?”
How can you doubt the EPG? Seems pretty clear to me.
CBeebies HD at 0600 on 10/12/13
CBBC HD at 0700
BBC News HD at 0830
BBC Three & Four HD at 1858
Originally Posted by Colin_London:
“How can you doubt the EPG? Seems pretty clear to me.
CBeebies HD at 0600 on 10/12/13
CBBC HD at 0700
BBC News HD at 0830
BBC Three & Four HD at 1858”
“How can you doubt the EPG? Seems pretty clear to me.
CBeebies HD at 0600 on 10/12/13
CBBC HD at 0700
BBC News HD at 0830
BBC Three & Four HD at 1858”
Funny. I wonder who posted that first on here
Al Jazerra Eng HD's EPG started at 11am on launch day- but they didn't launch at 11am. Yes, the EPG is almost certainly true- especially as this is the BBC, but I'd still call it circumstantial. The poster made such a plain "this is happening" statement on a thread that already contained the same info that I thought they'd actually read it somewhere, maybe a midnight embargoed press release, or a new blog post from Alix Pryde that I'd not spotted. It seems not.
Greebo has a valid point.
The 10th December 2013 launch date has been circulating the net for around three months now.
We must remember that as of this moment, the BBC has not confirmed the launch date, and last month the BBC's Alix Pryde went out of her way not to mention a launch date.
It appears that the 10th December is the target date, and I hope all the technical and commercial arrangements do fall into place and that an announcement confirming the 10th December comes soon, otherwise there will be people on these forums accusing the BBC of failing to deliver even though the date's not been confirmed...
EPG data for all new BBC HD channels now running on satellite along with HD playout - but things like AD and subtitles still not yet running on all channels. These tests need to take place to allow the channels to meet Sky's entry requirements onto the platform.
The 10th December 2013 launch date has been circulating the net for around three months now.
We must remember that as of this moment, the BBC has not confirmed the launch date, and last month the BBC's Alix Pryde went out of her way not to mention a launch date.
It appears that the 10th December is the target date, and I hope all the technical and commercial arrangements do fall into place and that an announcement confirming the 10th December comes soon, otherwise there will be people on these forums accusing the BBC of failing to deliver even though the date's not been confirmed...
EPG data for all new BBC HD channels now running on satellite along with HD playout - but things like AD and subtitles still not yet running on all channels. These tests need to take place to allow the channels to meet Sky's entry requirements onto the platform.
If it's to launch this year....
It will not launch during the Christmas/Newyear lockdown.
It will not launch during a weekend
Going on previous form then :-
EPG changes for TV tend to happen on Tuesdays/Wednesdays/Thursdays.
That leaves the following dates.
5/9/10/11/12/16/17/18 & 19th
Ladbrooks are going with 10th.
It will not launch during the Christmas/Newyear lockdown.
It will not launch during a weekend
Going on previous form then :-
EPG changes for TV tend to happen on Tuesdays/Wednesdays/Thursdays.
That leaves the following dates.
5/9/10/11/12/16/17/18 & 19th
Ladbrooks are going with 10th.
CBBC HD Ch73 now showing "Coming soon, new HD channels from the BBC" and all the logos for the new channels!
Surprised they put that up considering all the channels shown will only be available from 30 transmitter sites. I would imagine some people are going to be disappointed when they find out that they will only get BBC3 HD and CBBC HD.
Surprised they put that up considering all the channels shown will only be available from 30 transmitter sites. I would imagine some people are going to be disappointed when they find out that they will only get BBC3 HD and CBBC HD.
Originally Posted by pete taylor:
“CBBC HD Ch73 now showing "Coming soon, new HD channels from the BBC" and all the logos for the new channels!
Surprised they put that up considering all the channels shown will only be available from 30 transmitter sites. I would imagine some people are going to be disappointed when they find out that they will only get BBC3 HD and CBBC HD.”
“CBBC HD Ch73 now showing "Coming soon, new HD channels from the BBC" and all the logos for the new channels!
Surprised they put that up considering all the channels shown will only be available from 30 transmitter sites. I would imagine some people are going to be disappointed when they find out that they will only get BBC3 HD and CBBC HD.”
But .....
The main point of the additional two muxes (com7 and com8) is that the HD (and SD DVB-T2) services that they will contain will drive the uptake of DVB-T2 kit. So in that respect, they will be doing their job.
Originally Posted by pete taylor:
“CBBC HD Ch73 now showing "Coming soon, new HD channels from the BBC" and all the logos for the new channels!”
“CBBC HD Ch73 now showing "Coming soon, new HD channels from the BBC" and all the logos for the new channels!”
Which means goodbye BBC Red Button HD :'-(
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“But .....
The main point of the additional two muxes (com7 and com8) is that the HD (and SD DVB-T2) services that they will contain will drive the uptake of DVB-T2 kit. So in that respect, they will be doing their job.”
“But .....
The main point of the additional two muxes (com7 and com8) is that the HD (and SD DVB-T2) services that they will contain will drive the uptake of DVB-T2 kit. So in that respect, they will be doing their job.”
Yes, granted, but where is the publicity explaining that ? Nothing in form of promos on TV (the obvious place) and even nothing so far in the Radio Times ?
I shudder to think what nonsense and inaccurate statements will be made in the electrical retailer sheds during the coming weeks :s
Why do we have placeholders for BBC Three HD & CBBC HD.......
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.
Originally Posted by Dansky+HD:
“Why do we have placeholders for BBC Three HD & CBBC HD.......
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.”
“Why do we have placeholders for BBC Three HD & CBBC HD.......
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.”
BBC 3HD and CBBC-HD are to be carried on the PSB 3 Mux, that is transmitted from every Freeview transmitter in the UK, so available to 99% of the population (1154 sites).
Al Jazz HD, BBC 4 HD, BBC News HD and CBeebies-HD are to be carried on a new Mux, COM7, but only from 30 sites (giving 70% population coverage) Your nearest site Wenvoe is due on the air this month, it might well be testing now, but that is your only hope of receiving COM 7 in Swansea.
All the new BBC HD services will be on Freesat and Sky though.
Originally Posted by Dansky+HD:
“Why do we have placeholders for BBC Three HD & CBBC HD.......
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.”
“Why do we have placeholders for BBC Three HD & CBBC HD.......
......but not BBC Four HD, CBeebies HD or BBC News HD????
Why also do some people seem to have Al Jazeera Eng HD but not others.
I am currently located in Swansea, South Wales.
Should I be getting more of these channels?
Thanks in advance for any helpful replies.”
The transmitter you are receiving your channels off does not have the new Freeview Muxes activated. Only BBC Three HD & CBBC HD are guaranteed for everyone.
Originally Posted by figrin_dan:
“Which means goodbye BBC Red Button HD :'-(”
“Which means goodbye BBC Red Button HD :'-(”
Wasn't that removed last week?
Originally Posted by Mark C:
“Yes, granted, but where is the publicity explaining that ? Nothing in form of promos on TV (the obvious place) and even nothing so far in the Radio Times ?
I shudder to think what nonsense and inaccurate statements will be made in the electrical retailer sheds during the coming weeks :s”
“Yes, granted, but where is the publicity explaining that ? Nothing in form of promos on TV (the obvious place) and even nothing so far in the Radio Times ?
I shudder to think what nonsense and inaccurate statements will be made in the electrical retailer sheds during the coming weeks :s”
Whilst I take your point, as yet there is nothing to actually promote (in that there is no public go-live date). I suspect that some broadcasters are still putting in place the necessary kit and circuits, whilst Arqiva are still working hard against a Christmas freeze deadline (thus no-one want to commit at this stage).
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Wasn't that removed last week?”
“Wasn't that removed last week?”
Um yes, but I meant that it can't come back now. . .
Not that I wasn't paying attention
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