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Old 15-10-2013, 22:08
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We have known this for a while now, especially in light of the fiasco's of past years when good singers go at the expense of utter shite.

To redeem themselves the producers should keep the bottom two let them do their sing off and then we the viewers flash vote then. One with lowest votes gets the boot.

Let us have the control rather than get manipulated week on week as we all know who they want to be in the final already
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:17
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Lorna received the lowest number of public votes after 24 hours of voting. There is nothing to suggest that she would have been saved by the public over Shelley.
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:19
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Lorna received the lowest number of public votes after 24 hours of voting. There is nothing to suggest that she would have been saved by the public over Shelley.

how did you know that?
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:21
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The fact of the matter is, if a singer was any good or had any chance on the programme then they wouldn't be in the bottom 2 in week 1.

All Lorna did was sing Whitney Houston songs, and only did an OK job with them.
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:22
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Sometimes the public make the show worse. It's good to have the judges intervention at times if it saves someone interesting over someone dire. Sharon needs to turn Shelly in to a 'wagner' if she wants her overs to remain in the show.
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:33
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We have known this for a while now, especially in light of the fiasco's of past years when good singers go at the expense of utter shite.

To redeem themselves the producers should keep the bottom two let them do their sing off and then we the viewers flash vote then. One with lowest votes gets the boot.

Let us have the control rather than get manipulated week on week as we all know who they want to be in the final already
They would never allow that. The sing off is about getting the producers' favourites through to the final, not the better singers (there is a crucial difference).
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:36
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They would never allow that. The sing off is about getting the producers' favourites through to the final, not the better singers (there is a crucial difference).
We have a winner! 10/10
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Old 15-10-2013, 22:58
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Her interview on DigitalSpy comes across as very bitter and rather undignified. Lorna, you got through to the Live Shows, you failed to make much of an impression and found yourself in the bottom 2. Blame yourself.
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:01
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They would never allow that. The sing off is about getting the producers' favourites through to the final, not the better singers (there is a crucial difference).
Bingo.
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:17
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She's gone now so we move on (either though I liked Lorna)
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Old 15-10-2013, 23:40
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There's so much filler in Sunday's show, that allowing a flash vote for the bottom two would certainly spice things up a little. Eurostar's post explains why they wouldn't allow that to happen, though.

Lorna received the lowest number of public votes after 24 hours of voting. There is nothing to suggest that she would have been saved by the public over Shelley.
Lorna beat Shelley in the flash vote, so this post is quite bizarre...
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Old 16-10-2013, 02:32
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Lorna beat Shelley in the flash vote, so this post is quite bizarre...
you don't know how close the vote was , whether there were different viewers watching live on the sunday to the Saturday

or whether the sing-off itself might have changed peoples minds

just because shelley lost the flash vote on the Saturday does not mean 100% she would have on the sunday and given we know lorna was lowest on the overnight vote then she couldn't have had that much support either
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Old 16-10-2013, 02:41
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you don't know how close the vote was , whether there were different viewers watching live on the sunday to the Saturday

or whether the sing-off itself might have changed peoples minds

just because shelley lost the flash vote on the Saturday does not mean 100% she would have on the sunday and given we know lorna was lowest on the overnight vote then she couldn't have had that much support either
You're allowing "what if's" to get in the way of what actually happened. Lorna received more votes than Shelley - fact.

For the poster to say
Lorna received the lowest number of public votes after 24 hours of voting. There is nothing to suggest that she would have been saved by the public over Shelley.
is completely laughable considering the result on Saturday night. Nothing? No evidence whatsoever that Lorna would've been saved over Shelley? Er, OK then!

Now, I'm not saying Lorna would have definitely beat Shelley if the public were just choosing between the two, but to come out with the bit in bold is bizarre, given the facts.

The chances of Lorna going through in a public vote over Shelley are higher based on the result on Saturday. "There is nothing to suggest" that Shelley would've gone through over Lorna, however.
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Old 16-10-2013, 03:30
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You're allowing "what if's" to get in the way of what actually happened. Lorna received more votes than Shelley - fact.
I wasn't denying that however the only fact is that in a 10 minute flash vote involving all 12 acts from the viewers at that specific point of time on the Saturday night that shelley was bottom

all I was saying is that a second flash vote on a sunday between just two acts would not have guaranteed the same outcome as the flash vote on the Saturday given all the different variants there would be

making an assumption that shelley would have lost out on a second flash vote just against lorna alone ignoring all those differences is just as incorrect

an assumption is not a fact
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Old 16-10-2013, 03:34
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We have known this for a while now, especially in light of the fiasco's of past years when good singers go at the expense of utter shite.

To redeem themselves the producers should keep the bottom two let them do their sing off and then we the viewers flash vote then. One with lowest votes gets the boot.

Let us have the control rather than get manipulated week on week as we all know who they want to be in the final already
They're gonna be extra controlling after the Maloney fiasco.

Also, it doesn't take a genius to know that Lorna was stitched up; she's 26 but made to look older than Nicole.
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Old 16-10-2013, 04:03
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Her interview on DigitalSpy comes across as very bitter and rather undignified. Lorna, you got through to the Live Shows, you failed to make much of an impression and found yourself in the bottom 2. Blame yourself.
Exactly!
I'm not really a supporter of either but let's be honest shelly did put on the better performance in the sing off. Simple
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Old 16-10-2013, 06:19
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They would never allow that. The sing off is about getting the producers' favourites through to the final, not the better singers (there is a crucial difference).
phew I was starting to think I was the only one who realised this.
The amount of times ive read people saying the x factor app 5th judge will/should decide who goes is comical
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Old 16-10-2013, 06:32
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Lorna is more marketable than Shelley in most ways,and was certainly better than a few others vocally, but she was given little promotion on the show. Many do not even realize how much they are manipulated into connecting (or not) with certain contestants by the editing .Regardless,Shelley outsang her by miles in the sing off.
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Old 16-10-2013, 06:54
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Lorna is more marketable than Shelley in most ways,and was certainly better than a few others vocally, but she was given little promotion on the show. Many do not even realize how much they are manipulated into connecting (or not) with certain contestants by the editing .Regardless,Shelley outsang her by miles in the sing off.
As I posted on another thread I think the flash vote is biased to the contestant from the Saturday. There must be a big difference with having 24 hours to prepare against 10 minutes. Having said that neither deserved to be in the bottom 2 on vocals alone. Nothing outstanding about them but there were a few acts that should consider themselves fortunate.
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Old 16-10-2013, 09:04
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As I posted on another thread I think the flash vote is biased to the contestant from the Saturday. There must be a big difference with having 24 hours to prepare against 10 minutes. Having said that neither deserved to be in the bottom 2 on vocals alone. Nothing outstanding about them but there were a few acts that should consider themselves fortunate.
How many times do we see this fallacy? All of them will know what their "save me" song is and will have spent plenty of time practicing it beforehand. They know how the show works so should be prepared.

If they are so arrogant to believe they will not be in the bottom two and don't rehearse - then hell slap it into them!
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Old 16-10-2013, 09:28
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You're allowing "what if's" to get in the way of what actually happened. Lorna received more votes than Shelley - fact.

For the poster to say is completely laughable considering the result on Saturday night. Nothing? No evidence whatsoever that Lorna would've been saved over Shelley? Er, OK then!

Now, I'm not saying Lorna would have definitely beat Shelley if the public were just choosing between the two, but to come out with the bit in bold is bizarre, given the facts.

The chances of Lorna going through in a public vote over Shelley are higher based on the result on Saturday. "There is nothing to suggest" that Shelley would've gone through over Lorna, however.

You cannot judge that a 10 minute vote on the Saturday would be representative of an overnight vote with all 12 acts. Just because Shelley was bottom after the 10 minutes does not mean she would have ended up below Lorna, that is making a big assumption. If they had then opened a flash vote between the two of them you have no idea who those voting for the other 10 acts may have gone for and therefore cannot assume Lorna would have been saved. The online polls on Saturday night suggested Lorna would end up bottom of the vote, with Shelley above her on the ones I had seen. You consider the other fm's post 'laughable' yet you also don't have the evidence to prove in an overnight vote that Shelley would have been below Lorna. No one has evidence to prove which of the two would have finished bottom because there wasn't the opportunity to vote for both. Shelley may not even have finished in the bottom 2 had it not been the flash vote.
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Old 16-10-2013, 10:23
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I really dont it matters who goes each week. The producers decide in advance who is the chosen act or acts are each year. If you win the series and are not one of the chosen acts then more money and promotion is still spend on the chosen acts. Anyone who thinks that is a fair playing field and the public chose a pop star for the future needs to take their blinkers off.
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Old 16-10-2013, 13:23
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Her interview on DigitalSpy comes across as very bitter and rather undignified. Lorna, you got through to the Live Shows, you failed to make much of an impression and found yourself in the bottom 2. Blame yourself.
Lorna appeared on This Morning saying all the usual fluff about how marvelous X Factor was, what a wonderful experience etc so now she is saying something different? It would be refreshing if someone ANYONE actually said what they really feel in Showbusiness. It is the same with Strictly, it is always marvelous, wonderful, like Family!! PUKE!
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Old 16-10-2013, 15:58
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Lorna nailed the sing off. I felt her performance more than Shelly's she sang without any emotion.
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Old 17-10-2013, 20:13
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How many times do we see this fallacy? All of them will know what their "save me" song is and will have spent plenty of time practicing it beforehand. They know how the show works so should be prepared.

If they are so arrogant to believe they will not be in the bottom two and don't rehearse - then hell slap it into them!
Having 24 hours to get over the massive upset and nerves of knowing you're least popular is a big deal. You can't deny how much more polished and confident Shelly's performance was compared to Lorna's. It doesn't matter how many times an act has rehearsed their sing off song, singing your best a minute after being told no one's voted for you is a world harder than having had 24 hours to come to terms with that.
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