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Help please with WI FI
I have looked at other threads which address similar problems but none of them (I think) has the specific answer I need.
I have Infinity 2 via a HH3 type b router, this is situated upstairs next to the master socket. I have run a cat5e cable from upstairs to the downstairs living room to connect to a Youview TV box. The wifi signal in the living room is weak and I would like to improve it with some sort of access point, my problem is as follows:- All of the access points that I see recommended seem to have only one ethernet connector, I need to connect the Cat5 cable to both the access point and to the youview box without any degredation of line speed to you view. Do I therefore need a ethernet switch in addition to the access point? or is there an access point that would enable connections to both the incoming cat5 cable and a link to the youview box? Alternatively, do I in fact need a second router ( all of which seem to have multiple ethernet connectors) bearing in mind that the incoming connection is from another router and not from a modem. I have read about using a redundant Home hub as an access point ( I have both a HH1 and a HH2) but I understand that this is not an option when the main router is a HH3 typeB. Any assistance appreciated. Thanks |
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YouView works fine over Homeplugs no matter that BT will have you believe. So dont rule them out just because you think your box needs a CAT5 cable going in to it
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I have looked at other threads which address similar problems but none of them (I think) has the specific answer I need.
I have Infinity 2 via a HH3 type b router, this is situated upstairs next to the master socket. I have run a cat5e cable from upstairs to the downstairs living room to connect to a Youview TV box. The wifi signal in the living room is weak and I would like to improve it with some sort of access point, my problem is as follows:- All of the access points that I see recommended seem to have only one ethernet connector, I need to connect the Cat5 cable to both the access point and to the youview box without any degredation of line speed to you view. Do I therefore need a ethernet switch in addition to the access point? or is there an access point that would enable connections to both the incoming cat5 cable and a link to the youview box? Alternatively, do I in fact need a second router ( all of which seem to have multiple ethernet connectors) bearing in mind that the incoming connection is from another router and not from a modem. I have read about using a redundant Home hub as an access point ( I have both a HH1 and a HH2) but I understand that this is not an option when the main router is a HH3 typeB. Any assistance appreciated. Thanks there are many options really. a switch and a single port access point would work. as would the device above. if the you view has wifi (i have no idea if it does) then it could connect to the new access point. i've never run one in the exact configuration you are talking about but it should be possible to set it up in router mode with dhcp disabled. |
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You can switch off DHCP in your Home Hub 2 and change it's IP address so it does not clash with the Home Hub 3.
Set the wireless channel to the same as the hub and perhaps rename the HH2 SSID to something else you would recognise. The HH2 will then act as a wireless repeater and you would have 3 spare network ports left. |
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You ought to be able to use the spare Home Hubs as simple switches.
What you do is dive into the configuration of the spare hub and turn off anything to do with connecting to the interweb. Also turn off DHCP. Configure the WiFi with the same SSID as the main hub. However set it to a different channel to the main hub otherwise their signals will interfere with each other. You need to set it to a channel 3 or more channel numbers away from the main hub to avoid overlapping signals. Then plug the spare Home Hub into the ethernet cable you have run using one of the LAN ports, don't use any WAN port if it has one. This makes the secondary hub work as a simple network switch with WiFi. I haven't done this with a BT home hub but have done it with other makes of router and can't see that the Home Hub would be that much different. |
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You can switch off DHCP in your Home Hub 2 and change it's IP address so it does not clash with the Home Hub 3.
Set the wireless channel to the same as the hub and perhaps rename the HH2 SSID to something else you would recognise. The HH2 will then act as a wireless repeater and you would have 3 spare network ports left. |
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You can use the spare HH2 as an Ethernet Switch and a Wireless Access Point. That will give you extra Ethernet ports and better WiFi coverage. This has been addressed often in the past but here goes again:
Go into the the HH2's Advanced Settings (192.168.1.254 and then follow your nose): switch off the DHCP Server and set a fixed IP address of 192.168.60. That address, which is outside HH3's DHCP Table, will allow you to "talk" to the HH2 in future. Now set the WiFi as follows: rename the HH2's SSID to the same as the HH3's and use the same encryption key (that will allow seamless roaming) BUT select a Channel that is some way away from the HH3's Channel. e.g. if the HH3 is on 1 use 6. Now install the HH2 at the remote location and connect the two HHs via a length of twisted pair or a pair of HomePlugs. I have exactly this setup at home; using a redundant router to serve two set top boxes with Ethernet and provide extra WiFi coverage and it works well. DO NOT use a second router unless you cripple it as above, |
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that is not what i would do.
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Thanks for the helpful information thus far.
I have tried getting into the HH2 setup menu with no success so I tried with my old HH1 which worked and have altered the settings as suggested. I tried connecting the HH1 by the CAT5 from the HH3 and connecting the Youview box by a second cable to the HH1, unfortunatly this resulted in no access to the internet TV channels on the YV box however the wireless signal in the living room is now showing 'Excellent'. I have since reconnected the YV box direct to the cat5 and regained the internet tv channels. I currently have the HH1 connected by a couple of old homeplug adapters that i used to use and it has fixed the wireless issue. Just wondering why I can't do the same with the HH2 and why I can't use the HH1 as a switch without losing access to the internet TV channels |
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I notice a typo in beerhunter2's instructions. He suggests a IP address of 192.168.60 which is invalid.
If you set that that might explain why it didn't work properly. Try 192.168.1.60 instead. |
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I notice a typo in beerhunter2's instructions. He suggests a IP address of 192.168.60 which is invalid.
If you set that that might explain why it didn't work properly. Try 192.168.1.60 instead.
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I have tried getting into the HH2 setup menu with no success
Rather than try to fix the issue with the HH1, I suggest you persevere with the HH2. For a start that will give you more Ethernet ports for future use. |
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At what point do you fail, because access to the Advanced Settings of HH1 and HH2 are almost identical?
Rather than try to fix the issue with the HH1, I suggest you persevere with the HH2. For a start that will give you more Ethernet ports for future use. Everyone's help much appreciated |
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I use 200mbs pass though homeplugs with my Youview and the BT sport HD channels work fine 98% of the time. Also the BT player unlimited works very well. Even the HD films on BT film.
Im also on Infinity 2 and use the Home Hub 3. Darren |
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Your need a network switch like one of these:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ne...w=1024&bih=540 |
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Your need a network switch like one of these:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ne...w=1024&bih=540 |
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You can use the spare HH2 as an Ethernet Switch and a Wireless Access Point. That will give you extra Ethernet ports and better WiFi coverage. This has been addressed often in the past but here goes again:
Go into the the HH2's Advanced Settings (192.168.1.254 and then follow your nose): switch off the DHCP Server and set a fixed IP address of 192.168.60. That address, which is outside HH3's DHCP Table, will allow you to "talk" to the HH2 in future. Now set the WiFi as follows: rename the HH2's SSID to the same as the HH3's and use the same encryption key (that will allow seamless roaming) BUT select a Channel that is some way away from the HH3's Channel. e.g. if the HH3 is on 1 use 6. Now install the HH2 at the remote location and connect the two HHs via a length of twisted pair or a pair of HomePlugs. I have exactly this setup at home; using a redundant router to serve two set top boxes with Ethernet and provide extra WiFi coverage and it works well. DO NOT use a second router unless you cripple it as above, Beerhunter sorry if a stupid question but will the above work with the HH4 and HH3 I also have the original 1.5 and a HH2 I think small black box never been opened because the wireless on the HH4 is terrible I ran a test this afternoon 1.5 down and 0.5 up were are suppose to be on infinity 2 but bt don't want to know.
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Beerhunter sorry if a stupid question but will the above work with the HH4 and HH3 I also have the original 1.5 and a HH2 I think small black box never been opened
because the wireless on the HH4 is terrible I ran a test this afternoon 1.5 down and 0.5 up were are suppose to be on infinity 2 but bt don't want to know.If you get similar low speeds then you should beat up BT. If however the speeds are much faster (more what you'd expect for Infinity) then the problem could be your WiFi. BT won't be interested if it's WiFi, that is your responsibility to sort out. So try a cable connection and report back and if necessary we can help sort out the WiFi issue. By the way beerhunter2's instructions will pretty much work with any combination of main and secondary router. They don't exclusively apply just to BT HomeHubs. Though other makes of router may need a different IP address to access the configuration and perhaps need a different IP address for the secondary router. But essentially they can be tweaked to work with anything. |
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Beerhunter sorry if a stupid question but will the above work with the HH4 and HH3 I also have the original 1.5 and a HH2 I think small black box never been opened:
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Thanks Beerhunter and Chris, the computers upstairs are hard wired and they seem stead according to son speeds there better but it is the laptop and tablet downstairs can't even pick up the wifi for the on demand but yet and pick up all the surrounds neighbour's signals a few quite strongly, will go and have a play so use the HH3 and HH4, thanks once again for the help. Soory guys another question is there a different number for the HH3 and HH4 from what you gave out before, sorry if it seems daft but want to get it right I also have two homeplugs but the engineer took them off the hub.
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is there a different number for the HH3 and HH4 from what you gave out before, sorry if it seems daft but want to get it right I also have two homeplugs but the engineer took them off the hub.
If the powerline adapters that you have were supplied by BT, they aren't HomePlugs but will work just a well. So you could connect one to your new HH 4. Connect another to the spare HH3 (that you have crippled and configured the WiFi as per my instructions) in the remote location where you wish to improve WiFi coverage. |
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Thanks beerhunter2 will have a go and see what happens if I can get son off his online game long enough thanks once again, yes bt gave us the powerline adapters sorry used the wrong name.
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yes bt gave us the powerline adapters sorry used the wrong name.
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Its not a problem until you try to mix these things. For instance a HomePlug will not interoperate with your existing two adapters.
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BT send a new hub they admitted there is a fault with the wireless so will wait and see before mucking around with the hub 3 Thanks all for your help
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were are suppose to be on infinity 2 but bt don't want to know.