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Old 19-10-2013, 12:01
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Charley Webb really should watch the actors who play Roy and Hayley in Corrie for an object lesson in how to 'do' fear, anguish and anger with nuance, different tones - different volumes, even, not just 'shout, shout, breathe heavily then shout some more'.
I doubt I'd be able to speak quietly if a psycho murderer I hated was holding me and others hostage with a gun pointed at me. Some people can't get angry quietly, I've been told I go from speaking normal, to either being able to stop ships in the English Channel or only audible to dogs, with no medium inbetween. But really, you can't compare the two, Debbie thought she and others would be killed at any moment, by a man she's seething with hate over, Roy and Hayley were having a barney on if Hayley should top herself or not, with each getting more frustrated by the other's words. Different context, different atmosphere, and completely different characters.
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Old 19-10-2013, 12:22
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CW, I know you love Debbie, but I'm sorry, Charley's acting of high drama is just not very good.

She 'over shouts' on several levels, ie:

- she shouts too much
- she shouts in an unnatural way, where she is always straining her voice to get even more volume
- she shouts over the top of everyone else speaking.

If she's not shouting, she's doing that talking on the heavy exhale thing she does to convey high emotion. She lacks any nuance to her performance. IMO, she's even worse than the actress who plays Ali in this regard. As an actress, she should have more tools in her toolkit to bring viewers along with her and make them feel empathy.
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Old 19-10-2013, 12:38
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CW, I know you love Debbie, but I'm sorry, Charley's acting of high drama is just not very good.

She 'over shouts' on several levels, ie:

- she shouts too much
- she shouts in an unnatural way, where she is always straining her voice to get even more volume
- she shouts over the top of everyone else speaking.

If she's not shouting, she's doing that talking on the heavy exhale thing she does to convey high emotion. She lacks any nuance to her performance. IMO, she's even worse than the actress who plays Ali in this regard. As an actress, she should have more tools in her toolkit to bring viewers along with her and make them feel empathy.
I agree the heavy breathing thing is annoying when its over used as she has been doing lately. I don't mind it when she's crying or near to it, because hysterical crying can make you breathless but she does over do it.

I don't think you can really compare her to Roy and Hayley though - they're two extremely different characters (Roy especially being much more repressed) in very different circumstances. You can't compare the stress and horror of terminal cancer, which people have to take day by day sometimes over a long period of time, and the effect of an immediate threat to life.
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Old 19-10-2013, 14:07
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CW, I know you love Debbie, but I'm sorry, Charley's acting of high drama is just not very good.

She 'over shouts' on several levels, ie:

- she shouts too much
- she shouts in an unnatural way, where she is always straining her voice to get even more volume
- she shouts over the top of everyone else speaking.

If she's not shouting, she's doing that talking on the heavy exhale thing she does to convey high emotion. She lacks any nuance to her performance. IMO, she's even worse than the actress who plays Ali in this regard. As an actress, she should have more tools in her toolkit to bring viewers along with her and make them feel empathy.
I get what your saying, and I do agree she shouts too much, and maybe if she spoke in a normal tone most other times, it would be more tolerable/acceptable in high drama/times of distress. As it is, she shouts so often usually, that it has the effect on the viewer of not having any/much affect when it calls for it, as it doesn't sound any different. Which is a shame as she can do emotional well. I do think the reason she was shouting so much in the siege scenes was due to the machines used to create the rain and wind, but it would have been so much more acceptable if she spoke normally at other times. The writers need to tone her down, as she would come across much softer/ better, tbh I can't think of any other ED, or Corrie character who does so much shouting. I'm wondering if perhaps she does it as she can't get her voice to do a wider range, as I know I would because I couldn't do anything else.
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:18
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I get what your saying, and I do agree she shouts too much, and maybe if she spoke in a normal tone most other times, it would be more tolerable/acceptable in high drama/times of distress. As it is, she shouts so often usually, that it has the effect on the viewer of not having any/much affect when it calls for it, as it doesn't sound any different. Which is a shame as she can do emotional well. I do think the reason she was shouting so much in the siege scenes was due to the machines used to create the rain and wind, but it would have been so much more acceptable if she spoke normally at other times. The writers need to tone her down, as she would come across much softer/ better, tbh I can't think of any other ED, or Corrie character who does so much shouting. I'm wondering if perhaps she does it as she can't get her voice to do a wider range, as I know I would because I couldn't do anything else.
Yes dear, we've all 'heard' your 5million decibel rants on here.

It's true though - Charley needs to learn that the 'Ali shout'snarl' is not going to win her any fans and tone it down a bit. (Tbf, that's actually the Director's job - he needs to actually direct her, not just leave her to her default position of screeching/snarling).
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:20
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Aww, goodness JD Friday's opening summaries alway crease me! You're all great btw - I always love reading this thread on Emmerdale nights!

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Old 19-10-2013, 15:24
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Aww, goodness JD Friday's opening summaries alway crease me! You're all great btw - I always love reading this thread on Emmerdale nights!

Thanks!
I assume you're using the term 'summaries' quite loosely?
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:31
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Just watched Friday's episode. What a fantastic follow up to all the drama. Loving the community spirit. I love this show.
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:31
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Yes dear, we've all 'heard' your 5million decibel rants on here.

It's true though - Charley needs to learn that the 'Ali shout'snarl' is not going to win her any fans and tone it down a bit. (Tbf, that's actually the Director's job - he needs to actually direct her, not just leave her to her default position of screeching/snarling).
I really ought to learn to tone it down though, my indoor voice is like most other people's outdoor one. Someone I used to work with once told me I'd have no trouble finding a job as a supermarket tannoy.
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:46
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I really ought to learn to tone it down though, my indoor voice is like most other people's outdoor one. Someone I used to work with once told me I'd have no trouble finding a job as a supermarket tannoy.



Don't ever change, kiddo.
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Old 19-10-2013, 15:50
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The Debbie & Chas chat scene made me a bit weepy.

ED is excellent.
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Old 19-10-2013, 16:45
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FW = First words in episodes
BB = Last words Before Break
AB = First words After Break
LW = Last Words in episode

Friday’s episode appearances are confirmed as:-

+ Vanessa (FW)
+ Diane
+ Edna
+ Bob
+ Brenda

+ Chastity (LW)
+ Debbie (BB)
+ Zak
+ Marlon
+ Laurel

+ Sam
+ Andy
+ Sarah
+ Amy
+ Priya

+ Georgia
+ Rishi
+ Alicia
+ David
+ Dominic

+ Dan
+ Kerry (AB)
+ Lisa
+ Joanie
+ Kyle

+ Ali
+ Ruby
+ Moira
+ Jack
+ Jude

+ Nurse

+++ Kisses Tonight +++

Dan and Kerry
Ali and Ruby




The following characters appeared in all 6 episodes this week and get two bonus points

+ Ali
+ Alicia
+ Chastity
+ David
+ Debbie

+ Dominic
+ Georgia
+ Priya
+ Rishi
+ Ruby

+ Zak
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Old 19-10-2013, 16:46
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The Debbie & Chas chat scene made me a bit weepy.

ED is excellent.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was all emotional I love Debbie and Chas It was when Chas called her 'kid' again that got me
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Old 19-10-2013, 17:07
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was all emotional I love Debbie and Chas It was when Chas called her 'kid' again that got me
I'm looking forward to them re-building their relationship.
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Old 19-10-2013, 17:26
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I assume you're using the term 'summaries' quite loosely?
well, yes - if I'm honest. but they do tickle me!
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Old 19-10-2013, 23:17
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Just watched Friday's episode. What a fantastic follow up to all the drama. Loving the community spirit. I love this show.
I never find community spirit in soaps or any other drama to be believable.
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Old 19-10-2013, 23:32
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I never find community spirit in soaps or any other drama to be believable.
Different strokes for different folks I like it when it's believable within the context of a story and I felt that it was in Friday's episode.
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Old 19-10-2013, 23:48
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I never find community spirit in soaps or any other drama to be believable.
Neither do I. I've never known anyone on my street to give more than a passing "Hello" to anyone else. I suppose you couldn't really make a soap out of that though (and it might be different in a village where everyone lives/works near each other).
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Old 20-10-2013, 00:24
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Neither do I. I've never known anyone on my street to give more than a passing "Hello" to anyone else. I suppose you couldn't really make a soap out of that though (and it might be different in a village where everyone lives/works near each other).
Wow I'm shocked at that. Where I live, a small town (I say town, its more like a big village) , is just like Emmerdale, everyone knows everyone else and their business, you can't sneeze without somebody noticing and knowing it was you, and if someone says something abut someone at breakfast time it'll have done the rounds several times over by lunchtime. I picked up a lost kitten once and took it back home down the road with apparently no one in sight, the next morning the vets stopped me to ask me if I'd got a new cat!
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Old 20-10-2013, 00:34
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Where I live, you might not know the person you pass in the High st, but you can be damn sure you know someone who does know them, and as for a certain neighbour of mine who's on the community council - you don't need to read the local paper after a chat with her. You get a full list of births, deaths, and marriages as well the run down of council scandals. I don't think it matters if it's a town or village, it's the type of area and how people live. In my Mum and Dad's street we knew all of the immediate neighbours because the kids were at school together, the wives were housewives and met when they were doing the garden, hanging out the washing or at the butcher's van. A lot of the dads it so happened were in the police and knew each other. Same in my friends' streets - the women met at the delivery vans and the rent office, the kids went to school together (and walked), the Dads worked at the same places. Lots of people had extended family living nearby as well. So I know lots of people living in this (smallish)town my age and older who I've known for most of my life.

It's probably less common now because people get out of the house and into cars, they don't use the local facilities, the kids don't always play outside, and there aren't big local employers, where almost everyone works.

Then again it's also the type of place where a stranger will strike up a random conversation just because 'I see you going up and doon the road, hen!'

Then again, you get places where everyone is an incomer but they've really made an effort and keep the community going, and other places where no one ever speaks, and that can vary from street to street, never mind town to town.
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Old 20-10-2013, 00:52
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Wow I'm shocked at that. Where I live, a small town (I say town, its more like a big village) , is just like Emmerdale, everyone knows everyone else and their business, you can't sneeze without somebody noticing and knowing it was you, and if someone says something abut someone at breakfast time it'll have done the rounds several times over by lunchtime. I picked up a lost kitten once and took it back home down the road with apparently no one in sight, the next morning the vets stopped me to ask me if I'd got a new cat!
I love that your vet was touting for business
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Old 20-10-2013, 01:17
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Where I live, you might not know the person you pass in the High st, but you can be damn sure you know someone who does know them, and as for a certain neighbour of mine who's on the community council - you don't need to read the local paper after a chat with her. You get a full list of births, deaths, and marriages as well the run down of council scandals. I don't think it matters if it's a town or village, it's the type of area and how people live. In my Mum and Dad's street we knew all of the immediate neighbours because the kids were at school together, the wives were housewives and met when they were doing the garden, hanging out the washing or at the butcher's van. A lot of the dads it so happened were in the police and knew each other. Same in my friends' streets - the women met at the delivery vans and the rent office, the kids went to school together (and walked), the Dads worked at the same places. Lots of people had extended family living nearby as well. So I know lots of people living in this (smallish)town my age and older who I've known for most of my life.

It's probably less common now because people get out of the house and into cars, they don't use the local facilities, the kids don't always play outside, and there aren't big local employers, where almost everyone works.

Then again it's also the type of place where a stranger will strike up a random conversation just because 'I see you going up and doon the road, hen!'
Yes that's how it is here, everybody knows everybody because they've all grown up and lived around here, then seen the next ones do the same. It is nice actually, I wouldn't like to live somewhere where I didn't even know what my neighbours names were, I suppose because I'm used to the close knit feel. My next door neighbours will get the washing in for me if it's started raining and I've gone out, we have a chat over the fence, and inquire about each other's relatives I can't even imagine not knowing who lived around you.

And yep, you get strangers striking up conversations randomly as well

I love that your vet was touting for business
I was just amazed that despite the road being apparently empty, someone had spotted me, recognised me and told them about it in the space of a night! The walls definitely have ears around here, and eyes too
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Old 20-10-2013, 02:48
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I assume you're using the term 'summaries' quite loosely?
Quality over quantity love,an idea you'd do well to follow......
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Old 20-10-2013, 08:40
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Old 20-10-2013, 13:22
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Charley Webb really should watch the actors who play Roy and Hayley in Corrie for an object lesson in how to 'do' fear, anguish and anger with nuance, different tones - different volumes, even, not just 'shout, shout, breathe heavily then shout some more'.
CW, I know you love Debbie, but I'm sorry, Charley's acting of high drama is just not very good.

She 'over shouts' on several levels, ie:

- she shouts too much
- she shouts in an unnatural way, where she is always straining her voice to get even more volume
- she shouts over the top of everyone else speaking.

If she's not shouting, she's doing that talking on the heavy exhale thing she does to convey high emotion. She lacks any nuance to her performance. IMO, she's even worse than the actress who plays Ali in this regard. As an actress, she should have more tools in her toolkit to bring viewers along with her and make them feel empathy.

I agree.
Not with the being like Roy and Hayley bit, but about the rest.


And Dominic Power's mad eyed stare was OTT for me too.
All that heavy breathing they both did.





And I'm still bemused and annoyed that when Marlon smashed him over the head and got the gun off him, the three hostages didn't grab the keys that had been put at the end of the Bar and all run for the door.
Chas should have held the gun not Marlon.

OK - they could have failed in the attempt to get out and ended up in that cellar - but going to the cellar they knew was flooded without trying anything else first made it just a bit annoying for me.


And I'm also annoyed that Jimmeh didn't do a 'singing in the rain' dance.

And I'm annoyed that the seige was in the Pub instead of Home Farm. Cameron could have put an end to that horrible decor Declan has.
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