So between a lot of me me me me me and more me. Debbie finally admitted that she killed Gennie. But it doesn't matter now because Cameron is dead and if she let it affect her Cameron would win? WTF!!!

Why did TPTB involve Debbie in Gennie's death if they didn't want to make her pay? Sorry but causing the death of a young wife, mother and daughter is not something that can be brushed under the carpet. I don't care what Cameron did, Debbie should pay for her crimes. TPTB could have done the same storyline without involving Debbie in Gennie's death. But they chose to and there should be moral and legal consequences for her. It's like ED wanted their cake and eat it too. If they valued the character and actress so much they shouldn't have backed the character into a corner.

Even Brenda has accepted with apparent ease that the woman who killed her only daughter won't face any charges and it seem is still very much loved in the village (god knows why). Brenda's been hardly heard or seen since the truth about Gennie's death. She has conveniently been sanitised out of the storyline, because nobody is allowed to tarnish St Dobbeh's halo. I am sure that soon enough Debbie will come back to the cafe for a coffee and Bob will serve her with a big smile.

All soaps seem to have that one character who they love to shove down your throat and include in pretty much every storyline.

They also make that character do something unspeakable that they will always get away with. Everyone around them convienently forgets what they have done and are on speaking terms within a week and best buddies within a month.

HO did this with Theresa and more noticeably Mercedes (I don't think they will stop with her either)

It's annoying as hell especially when the character is as god awful as Debbie, as she will no doubt be in a slanging match with Bob and Brenda soon and then Brenda will forgive her on her deathbed.

Puke.

Queen Debs and Soap's Leading Lady. To be fair, she did save the whole village. They all owe her their lives.

I agree. I would like to see her get locked up for life. That's obviously not going to happen though. At the very least, she should be done for some sort of driving offence.

That is not what Chas meant. She meant if Debbie let Cameron trying to kill her/his obsession with her affect her then Cameron would have won.

I personally don't think Debbie got away with it.
She had to live with, sleep with, pretend to still be in love with a serial killer, a man she hated and was disgusted by. She risked her life to help the police capture Cameron. She was held hostage, terrified for her life which Cameron could have easily have taken.
She then had to live in fear that he'd escaped. Was again held hostage, had a gun pulled on her, nearly drowned countless times and barely escaped with her life.
She now has to live forever with what she did. Nothing can bring Gennie back. She's done terrible, terrible things.

Just because Chas still loves her doesn't mean she will ever forgive her for what she did. Brenda didn't look all too happy when she looked at Debbie to me.

I personally would have rather done a few months for perverting the course of justice and dangerous driving than go through all of that.

We've been through why she didn't go to jail many times. The police needed her to catch a serial killer. A man who was a danger to society, was evil and had killed innocent people. A silly girl who made terrible mistakes wasn't top of their list. Debbie was their best chance at capturing him. They had a choice between arresting her for what she's done or using her to catch Cameron out. They chose the latter.

Did she deserve prison? Yes. But that's just the way the storyline went.


For what exactly

Well, I wouldn't say she saved the village, but she did help save Alicia and Chas's life. If it wasn't for this, Alicia would have ended up lying dead in the pub and Chas would have died during the flooding in my opionion. Debbie may have done wrong over Gennie, but she made up for it in my opinion, helping save two lives.

1 - she already knew he was a killer when she took him back. She didn't mind him being a killer as long as he killed people whose life she deemed worthless.

2 - It was Chas he wanted to hurt, not Debbie. Chas hasn't killed anyone but she's been through a lot more Debbie. For her affair with Cameron she paid a hefty price. She lost Carl, Gennie, did jail, was harassed by Debbie, was shunned by her family, was betrayed by Cameron and ultimately he tried to kill her.

If living with what she did to Gennie was so difficult what was she doing in Brenda's cafe engaging in PDA with Cameron one week after Gennie's death? That's how she expresses guilt? And she doesn't have to live with anything as nobody care she killed Gennie. Ashley got a lot more scorn for hitting his father once. At the end of the day, because of Debbie's action, Gennie is dead, a child will grow without the mother who adored her and Brenda only has a grave, a cancer and Bob for company.


I don't think Brenda was looking at Debbie, but at Cameron's bodybag. We don't now what Brenda thinks because Dobbehdale is like North-Korea - dissident voices are not allowed. They should start sticking up huge posters of Dobbeh and put a statue of her in the centre of the village like in the ex-communist countries. They should also rename the village Dobbehgrad.

No she forgave him for killing a rapist who was attacking her auntie.

I don't think she was right in any way shape or form to do so but I understand how she justified it. I don't agree with it but I understand the difference between Carl's death and then Gennie and Alex's.


He pulled the trigger on Debbie. He did try to kill her. He then tried to drown her.

Debbie hasn't killed anyone either. Cameron killed Gennie. We do not know if Gennie's injuries alone would have killed her.

I agree Chas has paid a hefty price but this thread isn't about Chas.

Brenda looked like she was looking at Debbie to me and then she shifted her eyes off her to the body bag.

Debbie was a part of Gennie's death and she did run her off the road. However, she did get help and at the end of the day Cameron's hands ended Gennie's life. He was the one who suffocated her. If it wasn't for him, Gennie could still be alive. He was the one who ended Gennie's life in my opinion. Debbie still should go to prison for around five year, considering she had a part in Gennie's death, but did not actually finish her off.

Debbie hasn't got away with it. As seen last night, she finally can accept all the things she's done was wrong, something I suspect she always knew, but couldn't admit it out loud, even to herself, as that would make it true, whereas by saying it wasn't her fault and 'forgetting' it, she could stay in denial. As we've seen many times, her tough as nails, don't care-wont care attitude is a face she puts on, underneath, she does care and it does affect her, regardless of what she says. She's been held hostage and had her life threatened by a murderer she detests, then by the same man, held hostage again, had a gun pointed at her several times, almost drowned several times, and now has to live for the rest of her life knowing what she's done. Every single time she sees Brenda she's going to be reminded and it will bring it all back. And that guilt will be there permanently, even if we as viewers can't see it ( because let's face it, they can't show her mourning and crying for the rest of all her scenes), doesn't mean it won't be there. I don't think that's getting away with it at all, that's a far bigger sentence than a few months in the clink for dangerous driving.

Lola your last paragraph there about renaming the village Dobbehgrad has nearly had me falling off my sunbed laughing

I'll have to wait until I've seen all the episodes before I comment as I missed thursdays second episode. Have to say though that Chas seemed to get more grief for sleeping with someone's fella than Debbie has for knowing that Cameron murdered Carl and being complicit in Gennies death!!! No one was ultra friendly to her last night but they weren't exactly giving her grief! I'm sure that in reality SOMEONE would have given her a bit of lip, even if it was just to condemn her for bringing the mas barsteward in their mists! (Mind you, Deb did condemn herself for that.)

I thought Brenda looked upset because Chas and Debbie were standing next to each other (suggesting some forgiveness on Chas' part). I didn't get the impression that Brenda had in any way forgiven Debbie or warmed to her. Just because she thinks Cameron got his just desserts, and perhaps that Debbie has suffered enough, doesn't mean she has stopped blaming or hating her for her part in Gennie's death. It's far too soon to judge Brenda's feelings, or those of other villagers. Everyone's still reeling from the recent events.

Chas gives her a lot of lip in Thursdays second episode

Oh and don't mention sun loungers Lotte'h It's freezing cold and pissing it down here


Totally agree Glenda. That's how I viewed it as well.

We will never agree on Debbie but it's always fun to debate with you.

I really think Brenda was looking at the bodybag not Debbie. Debbie's involvement in Gennie's death will never be mentioned again.

I'm a stubborn cow when it comes to Debbie But rest assured I do think she deserves prison for what she's done.

Sadly that will probably be the case and doesn't help with the characters progression. I hope that Chas never forgives her (still loving her and being friendly doesn't mean forgiveness IMO) and I also hope Debbie is very respectful around Brenda.

Sorry Star, I'm back shivering on monday!

Really looking forward to seeing those cellar scenes!!

*Gets a blanket ready for Lotte'h*

They are amazing scenes. Fantastic episodes

Glad I made you laugh
Enjoy the last days of your sunny holiday.

Considering Debbie did set a trap up for Cameron to be caught and helped save Alicia and Chas, maybe five years in prison is a bit steep. Two-three years may be more suitable

She'd get a few months at most. If of course Cameron was just caught and they never used Debbie to trap him.

Perverting the course of justice.. a good lawyer could get her off (or at most a light sentence) by pleading she was scared of Cameron (a serial killer) and went along with it. Plus she didn't find out until very late. It's not like she's been covering it since it happened.

Dangerous driving, a few months at most. They can't charge her with death by dangerous driving because Cameron killed Gennie so no one could prove Debbie's driving did it.

Well, a few months would still be a decent punishment, considering she did help the police, did not actually suffocate Gennie and helped Alicia and Chas

The only thin that is really annoying me at the moment is everyone has this "poor Debbie" attitude and doesn't care about anyone else. Like last nights episode some asked "Hows Debbie, still at the hospital?" but what about Alicia? Debbie was fine physically when she came out, Alicia could be dead and no one was asking about her? Same with before the siege happened everyone seemed to care about Debbie, and didn't give a crap about Chas, who has been though more IMO, at least all of Debbie's close family is still alive, and Debbie didn't go to prison for something she didn't do. And what about Jimmy and Brenda? Do they get no sympathy after they found out their family were murdered? No, because Debbie has been through a tough time, lets make it all about her, despite the fact she brought a lot of it on herself. Grrrrr, damn you writers

Back to the original post, that is just the nature of soaps, people seem to have very short memories, so it's not just this storyline, take Carla and Stella in corrie for example, Carla almost killed her, but later on Stella was far most upset about the affair with Peter rather then almost get killed by her. And anyways, I don't think Debbie could be charged with anything more than a driving offence, could she? It wasn't death by dangerous driving as Gennie didn't die of the result of the crash, but because Cameron suffocated her, I don't think "she would have died anyway" argument would held up well in court as there is no evidence of that, and for her to be charged with accomplice to murder , she would have to have known what Cameron was doing. Actually i have just remembered she could be charged with perverting the cause of justice. So what, we are going to give her a life sentence for that and speeding? I don't think they give out life sentences for that

There you go Star, I just defending her, I will take my money in cash (please ignore the massive rant I had at the start)

I still think she's suffered more than she ever would in prison

Does she deserve it? Yes I'm afraid she does. She will have to live with what she's done for the rest of her life and the only person she has to blame for that is herself.

Hahaha I don't even get paid and you write one Debbie defence post and expect to be paid

As for what she'd get charged with I'm not an expert but I mentioned above what she'd likely get charged with. It would, with a good lawyer, only result in a few months.

It wouldn't held in court however an autopsy could easily prove whether the injuries sustained during the accident were lethal or not, and they probably were. I think Debbie, Cameron and Chas all know that Gennie wouldn't have survived even if Cameron had not suffocated her.