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Old 20-10-2013, 13:40
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it doesn't matter that Debbie saved lives; she is guilty of manslaughter
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Old 20-10-2013, 14:24
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it doesn't matter that Debbie saved lives; she is guilty of manslaughter
No she isn't.
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Old 20-10-2013, 14:29
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Lol! I think we're getting a bit tired of this aren't we!
I couldn't be bothered to reply
And you couldn't be bothered explaining why!
This is my second 'poem' of the week as you can see!
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Old 20-10-2013, 14:30
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I liked the ending.
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Old 20-10-2013, 14:35
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Lol! I think we're getting a bit tired of this aren't we!
I couldn't be bothered to reply
And you couldn't be bothered explaining why!
This is my second 'poem' of the week as you can see!


I don't mind explaining why.. if I, and others, hadn't done so a hundred times over already. Most of it in this very thread
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Old 20-10-2013, 15:04
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[quote=MissLola;69280190]So between a lot of me me me me me and more me. Debbie finally admitted that she killed Gennie. But it doesn't matter now because Cameron is dead and if she let it affect her Cameron would win? WTF!!!

Why did TPTB involve Debbie in Gennie's death if they didn't want to make her pay? Sorry but causing the death of a young wife, mother and daughter is not something that can be brushed under the carpet. I don't care what Cameron did, Debbie should pay for her crimes. TPTB could have done the same storyline without involving Debbie in Gennie's death. But they chose to and there should be moral and legal consequences for her. It's like ED wanted their cake and eat it too. If they valued the character and actress so much they shouldn't have backed the character into a corner.

Even Brenda has accepted with apparent ease that the woman who killed her only daughter won't face any charges and it seem is still very much loved in the village (god knows why). Brenda's been hardly heard or seen since the truth about Gennie's death. She has conveniently been sanitised out of the storyline, because nobody is allowed to tarnish St Dobbeh's halo. I am sure that soon enough Debbie will come back to the cafe for a coffee and Bob will serve her with a big smile.[/


.....In real life, the character of Debbie would go prison for aiding and abetting a murderer, and child neglect. She will not spend the rest of her life regretting her actions as she has no conscience, so she doesn't know the meaning of remorse. Someone said that Gennie got what she deserved for spying on Cameron; Gennie's actions brought his killing spree to an end thus saving others from death at this hands and more grieving relatives. One of the most sickening parts of this storyline is the way the Dingles are all fawning over Debbie, as if she was a victim, but giving no thought to Gennie and Chas, who are also Dingles.
Probably the reason for Debbie not being prosecuted is because Hotton police is run by a pantomime lady copper.
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Old 20-10-2013, 15:09
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.....In real life, the character of Debbie would go prison for aiding and abetting a murderer, and child neglect. She will not spend the rest of her life regretting her actions as she has no conscience, so she doesn't know the meaning of remorse. Someone said that Gennie got what she deserved for spying on Cameron; Gennie's actions brought his killing spree to an end thus saving others from death at this hands and more grieving relatives. One of the most sickening parts of this storyline is the way the Dingles are all fawning over Debbie, as if she was a victim, but giving no thought to Gennie and Chas, who are also Dingles.
Probably the reason for Debbie not being prosecuted is because Hotton police is run by a pantomime lady copper.
Seriously
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Old 20-10-2013, 15:18
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Yes, seriously, star89, Debbie should be prosecuted by social Services for child neglect. Andy is trying to hold down a hard job as a farm worker and look after their two children at the same time; Debbie doesn't even know where they are most of the time.
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Old 20-10-2013, 15:36
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I think the writers have got themselves in a bit of an unnecessary mess with all this. I loved the resolution to Cameron's involvement but they've left themselves with some difficult issues with Debbie. The idea that Brenda could comfortably continue to live in the village with Debbie seems a stretch and they had to largely exclude the Sharmas from having even a casual interest in events. Jai for example is wholly disinterested in the fact that his step-daughter played a not insignificant role in the circumstances leading up to his sister-in-laws death.

I can't help feeling that they should have kept Debbie out of that car. Had she been seen trying to restrain Cameron from following Gennie, only to be pushed away, a lot of the current issues with the character would have been resolved. She was still involved in the confession and could still have received the dictaphone from Brenda but the circumstances surrounding the chase itself would not have existed. I think in reality, granting Debbie full immunity from prosecution would have been a difficult one. Yes, she was helping them to bring in a three time murderer but while we know that Debbie didn't actually murder Gennie, a decent prosecution case could have been mounted that she was, at the very least, complicit in the murder. There's also the matter of perverting the course of justice, which is a serious offence. I suspect she would have been charged with that and her co-operation would have been considered during sentencing. Instead or 2 or 3 years she might have been sentenced to 1 year - 18 months. I think this would have been a smart move for Emmerdale. It would have given Charley Webb a much needed break from the show and would have given many in the audience a sense that she at least served some time for her role in proceedings. I think for many, it's the lack of any tangible punishment that really grates. Something tells me that Debbie Dingle won't really be tortured with guilt and weeping into her fake tan for very long. However poor, misguided Gennie will be a long time dead.
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Old 20-10-2013, 15:37
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Yes, seriously, star89, Debbie should be prosecuted by social Services for child neglect. Andy is trying to hold down a hard job as a farm worker and look after their two children at the same time; Debbie doesn't even know where they are most of the time.
Neither Sarah nor Jack are neglected. Are you seriously saying Debbie should go to prison because her kids are sometimes looked after by their father or another close relative? She always knows where they are, except for when Sarah went missing the other day and that's because Cameron took her, hardly Debbie's fault and Sarah wasn't even in her care at the time.

The kids live with Debbie. Andy just has them on odd days, I'm assuming his days off. I don't understand why you are praising him for working and looking after his kids part time when Debbie also work's and looks after them the majority of the time.
Before anyone starts that Debbie is always palming them off, that is just when the storyline's call for it. The child actors cannot handle the seriousness of some storylines. Also as said before we only see a few minutes/hours of village life in the episodes we see every evening. Just because the kids are with Andy for a few minutes during the 30 minute show doesn't mean they didn't wake up and spend the morning with Debbie or they aren't going back to their mothers at the end of the day. As seen in the storylines when Andy has taken the kids (after the booze thing and then the Cameron thing) Debbie is their main career. Hence why he 'takes' them. If they lived with him most of the time he wouldn't have needed to have 'taken' them.
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Old 20-10-2013, 16:11
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Yes, seriously, star89, Debbie should be prosecuted by social Services for child neglect. Andy is trying to hold down a hard job as a farm worker and look after their two children at the same time; Debbie doesn't even know where they are most of the time.
Ha yes the women beater is the better parent

Do you know the meaning of the term " neglect " ? they are feed , cared for , provided for and always in the care of parents or relatives ....yeah real neglected kids
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Old 20-10-2013, 16:37
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Yes, seriously, star89, Debbie should be prosecuted by social Services for child neglect. Andy is trying to hold down a hard job as a farm worker and look after their two children at the same time; Debbie doesn't even know where they are most of the time.
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So between a lot of me me me me me and more me. Debbie finally admitted that she killed Gennie. But it doesn't matter now because Cameron is dead and if she let it affect her Cameron would win? WTF!!!

Why did TPTB involve Debbie in Gennie's death if they didn't want to make her pay? Sorry but causing the death of a young wife, mother and daughter is not something that can be brushed under the carpet. I don't care what Cameron did, Debbie should pay for her crimes. TPTB could have done the same storyline without involving Debbie in Gennie's death. But they chose to and there should be moral and legal consequences for her. It's like ED wanted their cake and eat it too. If they valued the character and actress so much they shouldn't have backed the character into a corner.

Even Brenda has accepted with apparent ease that the woman who killed her only daughter won't face any charges and it seem is still very much loved in the village (god knows why). Brenda's been hardly heard or seen since the truth about Gennie's death. She has conveniently been sanitised out of the storyline, because nobody is allowed to tarnish St Dobbeh's halo. I am sure that soon enough Debbie will come back to the cafe for a coffee and Bob will serve her with a big smile.[/


.....In real life, the character of Debbie would go prison for aiding and abetting a murderer, and child neglect. She will not spend the rest of her life regretting her actions as she has no conscience, so she doesn't know the meaning of remorse. Someone said that Gennie got what she deserved for spying on Cameron; Gennie's actions brought his killing spree to an end thus saving others from death at this hands and more grieving relatives. One of the most sickening parts of this storyline is the way the Dingles are all fawning over Debbie, as if she was a victim, but giving no thought to Gennie and Chas, who are also Dingles.
Probably the reason for Debbie not being prosecuted is because Hotton police is run by a pantomime lady copper.
Debbie does deserve a prison sentence but not for child neglect. Since she got custody of Sarah both her and Andy have been good parents. Over the past year there have been serious issues with Debbie, but that's only been recently and I think we can assume it will change now. Lots of children have two working parents and are cared for by other relatives. That doesn't mean neglect. Debbie's been guilty of palming them off a lot the past year but she's generally been very responsible with Sarah.

The CPS would surely have taken into account the massive risk that Debbie took by entrapping Cameron when sentencing her? She cooperated with the police to catch him and took a serious personal risk. I can't see them not reducing her sentence based on this - or perhaps even dropping charges.

As for the Dingles fawning - she's Zak's granddaughter, Lisa treats her as a grand daughter. It might not be nice but it's much more realistic that they would be concerned over her before Chas. Marlon (who is as closely related to Zak as the other two) and Gennie. Zak's always been completely blind over her faults. He's not going to change that after she risked death.

As for Charity and Cain, we can assume that as her parents, the fact that she nearly died twice will over ride their other concerns. They're not blind to her behaviour and her faults and Cain for one is capable of making that very clear. I would also expect to see him showing a bit of sympathy in his way to Chas, and Charity doing the same.

They're not forgetting Gennie - Zak has mentioned her a few times, and made that speech at her funeral. They probably care more about Debbie, though. Debbie's their granddaughter, Gennie was a niece they had known for a few years. Zak and Lisa are clearly laying the blame at Cameron's door, so they won't be angry with Debbie. Zak's, not the brightest and isn't putting as much thought into it as we are. He probably thinks this an end to it and they can all start again.

Chas and Cain are a lot more intelligent, so Chas is resentful and Cain can see Debbie's faults and where they're going to lead her. I wouldn't mind betting there will come a point where he'll lose patience and remind her of what she's done. I can't see Moira fawning over her for long either, or encouraging Cain to do it. I only hope that this doesn't damage the relationships Charity, Cain and Moira have with Chas, as they could well turn out to be her support network where Zak and Lisa are letting her down.

As to her having no conscience, I'm not sure about that. She's very similar to cain in that way, and he has made remarks in the past about defensive mechanisms like 'burying things deep down' and 'no point going over and over things' and the actor often shows a response in his expressions whenever his past is mentioned, which suggests that he does have feelings about the things that he's done - he's just not faced up to them.

Debbie is harder and more selfish, so she might not have these deeper feelings. Or it could be that she does have them but we only occassionally get a glimpse, as is the case with her father. Only time will tell that.
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:23
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In the storyline, and we must remember this is only make-believe, Social Services already have Debbie on their books, having been brought in by Sarah's school. So the goings-on with Cameron would not have gone unnoticed by them and they would be expected to be concerned for the children.
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:35
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In the storyline, and we must remember this is only make-believe, Social Services already have Debbie on their books, having been brought in by Sarah's school. So the goings-on with Cameron would not have gone unnoticed by them and they would be expected to be concerned for the children.
Yes, you'd think they'd check up, but unfortunately that doesn't mean they'd automatically remove them, now that the person who was the real, imminent, risk is gone. I think they're reluctant to take kids into care these days - different if Debbie herself was being violent or neglectful (ie leaving them alone for long periods of time). There's a lot of parents far worse than Debbie who get to keep their kids, even if they are in the system.
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:47
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Debbie didn't ‘admit’ to killing Gennie; she was obviously emotional and speaking figuratively.

Cameron murdered Gennie, no-one else.
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:48
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Debbie does deserve a prison sentence but not for child neglect. Since she got custody of Sarah both her and Andy have been good parents. Over the past year there have been serious issues with Debbie, but that's only been recently and I think we can assume it will change now. Lots of children have two working parents and are cared for by other relatives. That doesn't mean neglect. Debbie's been guilty of palming them off a lot the past year but she's generally been very responsible with Sarah.

The CPS would surely have taken into account the massive risk that Debbie took by entrapping Cameron when sentencing her? She cooperated with the police to catch him and took a

serious personal risk. I can't see them not reducing her sentence based on this - or perhaps even dropping charges.

As for the Dingles fawning - she's Zak's granddaughter, Lisa treats her as a grand daughter. It might not be nice but it's much more realistic that they would be concerned over her before Chas. Marlon (who is as closely related to Zak as the
other two) and Gennie. Zak's always been completely blind over her faults. He's not going to change that after she risked death.

As for Charity and Cain, we can assume that as her parents, the fact that she nearly died twice will over ride their other concerns. They're not blind to her behaviour and her faults and Cain for one is capable of making that very clear. I would also

expect to see him showing a bit of sympathy in his way to Chas, and Charity doing the same.

They're not forgetting Gennie - Zak has mentioned her a few times, and made that speech at her funeral. They probably care more about Debbie, though. Debbie's their granddaughter, Gennie was a niece they had known for a few years. Zak and

Lisa are clearly laying the blame at Cameron's door, so they won't be angry with Debbie. Zak's, not the brightest and isn't putting as much thought into it as we are. He probably thinks this an end to it and they can all start again.

Chas and Cain are a lot more intelligent, so Chas is resentful and Cain can see Debbie's faults and where they're going to
lead her. I wouldn't mind betting there will come a point where he'll lose patience and remind her of what she's done. I can't see Moira fawning over her for long either, or encouraging Cain to do it. I only hope that this doesn't damage the relationships Charity, Cain and Moira have with Chas, as they could well turn out to be her support network where Zak and Lisa are letting her down.


As to her having no conscience, I'm not sure about that. She's very similar to cain in that way, and he has made remarks in the past about defensive mechanisms like 'burying things deep down' and 'no point going over and over things' and the actor often shows a response in his expressions whenever his past is mentioned, which suggests that he does have feelings about the things that he's done - he's just not faced up to them.


Debbie is harder and more selfish, so she might not have these deeper feelings. Or it could be that she does have them but we only occassionally get a glimpse, as is the case with her father. Only time will tell that.
This post suggest your getting carried away,

It is only a Tv programme
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:50
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In the storyline, and we must remember this is only make-believe, Social Services already have Debbie on their books, having been brought in by Sarah's school. So the goings-on with Cameron would not have gone unnoticed by them and they would be expected to be concerned for the children.
Sarah's tutor not school .
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Old 20-10-2013, 18:55
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This post suggest your getting carried away,

It is only a Tv programme
Really?Thanks for telling me that because I honestly thought it was real life, and I just can't tell the difference. Thank goodness you're here to point it out rolleyes:

I'm interested and I enjoy watching it and discussing some of the things that come up. You will tend to find that on discussion forums. I really didn't think I would have to justify my interest in the topic, and enjoyment of discussing it with other viewers, on a fan forum.

By the way, you want to be careful with overusing the sarcasm smiley, which seems to have been used in every post you've made on this thread! You don't want to wear it out.
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Old 20-10-2013, 19:02
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Well she did run Gennie off the road. Don't you think there should be a law against that?
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Old 20-10-2013, 19:07
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Well she did run Gennie off the road. Don't you think there should be a law against that?
Well of course there should be, and Surprise Surprise ( ) there is! It's called Dangerous Driving.

Cameron killed Gennie. Debbie might have done, but thanks to his actions we'll never know.
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Old 20-10-2013, 19:08
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Well she did run Gennie off the road. Don't you think there should be a law against that?
Despite being a Dobbeh defender Star has said many times that Debbie should get a jail sentence for her crimes and that some of the things she did to Chas and Brenda are unforgivable.
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Old 20-10-2013, 19:13
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Well she did run Gennie off the road. Don't you think there should be a law against that?
Yes..

Well of course there should be, and Surprise Surprise ( ) there is! It's called Dangerous Driving.

Cameron killed Gennie. Debbie might have done, but thanks to his actions we'll never know.
Exactly.
I never disputed what Debbie had done I simply disputed the post saying she had committed manslaughter.

Despite being a Dobbeh defender Star has said many times that Debbie should get a jail sentence for her crimes and that some of the things she did to Chas and Brenda are unforgivable.
Thank you Lola

A jail sentence yes but not a jail sentence for manslaughter which was what the post I disputed said.
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Old 20-10-2013, 20:18
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Originally Posted by madetomeasure et al
she is guilty of manslaughter
I've been thinking...either Owen Lloyd-Fox (Wednesday) or Paul Roundell (Thursday) could possibly have saved a lot of this debate by having Cameron say to Debbie something like: "You should be thanking me - if I hadn't finished her off you'd have been charged with death by dangerous driving".
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Old 20-10-2013, 20:27
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I've been thinking...either Owen Lloyd-Fox (Wednesday) or Paul Roundell (Thursday) could possibly have saved a lot of this debate by having Cameron say to Debbie something like: "You should be thanking me - if I hadn't finished her off you'd have been charged with death by dangerous driving".
Cameron told Dobbeh that killing Gennie was almost a mercy killing because she would have died anyway. He also told her that they both killed Gennie. That was during the first siege.
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Old 20-10-2013, 20:35
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I suppose the most guilty thing that Debbie has done was not owning up straight away about how Gennie died. And obviously not saying anything about Carl. She should really go to prison for with holding information on two accounts.
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