Theres a variety of reasons BB no longer beats its competition namely an international race row, I dont see why we need a daily report on it.

Surprisingly poor for ITV1 last night. I would've thought The Bill would have done better against two bad BBC1 shows - but then rubbish on BBC1 always does do better than rubbish on ITV1 for some reason. Though talking of rubbish...I see Parents of the Band wasn't on tonight - was it end of series or did BBC1 pull it?

Emmerdale was low relatively speaking, but I'm not sure where their audience went. The One Show's audience is stable, but it didn't add extra from Wednesday's programme for Thursday. Krypton Factor really deserves to be given a chance at 9pm with an hour long show. 30 minutes is too rushed, and I can see it doing pretty well in that slot - better than against EastEnders, though 3.3m is reasonable considering the opposition.

Big Brother's ratings are becoming a joke now. To think ITV1 battled it out in the summer of 2006 with Love Island and lost, but beat it with a filler documentary three years on.

As for Wednesday, I'm in two minds about the football. BBC1 seem to easily draw in the viewers for sporting events, but I think ITV1's coverage is superior (I may be the only one ) yet it doesn't achieve the same figures. 5m is low considering what BBC1 (and BBC2) have got in the past. But then 5m is better than most Champions League matches which, IIRC, only pull it an average of around 4.5m - albeit against tougher opposition.

That excrement finished last week. If it comes back I'll be amazed!!
I think it would have gotten more if it was Man United. Once the fixtures feature more big names and we get closer to the final ratings will rise. I'd rather it was on the BBC though but that will not happen for another three years.

DAMN YOU BARWICK!!!

does anyone know what shameless is going to get when it comes back?

Daily? How rude! Three or four times I have made comment, that's it. I think I've been relatively restrained thus far.

I note you refer back to the 2007 international race row, which has undoubtedly been an underlying cause for the general decline in BB viewership, however I think it's fair to say this series has problems of its own. It launched with nearly 6m and now it can barely scrape together 3m for the highlights, or even the evictions. Quite pitiful really.

They had a chance to make this series different but they have failed to do so. A 'funny' BB was being lined up by producers according to reports beforehand. Well I can say with complete honesty I've seen funnier ITV1 programmes. The celebrities are living in a house of luxury for a few weeks gaining bundles of free publicity, with only one goal; to be remotely entertaining. And they can't even manage that. All they do is moan and whinge because they want to go home, splash their cash and draw a line under the whole thing. Reality television? I think not. These overpaid morons are totally out of touch with reality and don't have a clue about real strife.

Then in the summer, at the very opposite end of the spectrum, a group of the most desperate and fame hungry twits you've ever seen battling it out for their 30 seconds, probably spent wearing the coat of cash on the Sunday Night Project while a similarly desperate mob descends on them like a pack of wolves for the sake of a measly tenner. Sad.

So it's not entertaining - and we established a while ago that it's no longer a reality show - so what purpose does it actually serve now?

It's legitimate grounds for discussion because it raises bigger questions for an already struggling Channel 4. Where do they go from here now their former crown jewel has well and truly lost its sparkle? Continue churning out a mediocre show for the sake of slightly better than average ratings, or axe it and hope that something better comes along?

There are two things I can say with confidence:

1) Big Brother is past it now. The controversies it has engineered in recent years have damaged it tremendously. The producers had opportunities to reinvent the series but failed to do so.

2) Big Brother at its peak was a valuable asset to Channel 4. Finding a replacement will not be easy, and may prove an impossible task.

It would be interesting to see how Love Island would rate today up againt Big Brother ... but I hope I'm not putting ideas into ITV's head here

Brilliant ratings for CSI on CBS, I'm really looking to seeing the final two Grissom episodes and I think they will rate very highly when they air on Five in several weeks time. Considering the series in its ninth season, the ratings are still impressive.

Five have started promoting Minder and I have a feeling it's going to be a huge hit for them and potentially their highest rated show ever. At first I was a little sceptical but now I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Its the fact its greeted with such profoundity that annoys me as you say BB has been on a downward trajectory for quite some time now.

I have to disagree with you about last series though. I found most of it thurily enjoyable and certainly salvaged the show from the trainwreck that was BB8. I would never use a CBB to rate the overall franchise though its incredibly hard to engineer entertainment with a bunch of self aware, reluctant celebs with a name on the line compared to housemates trying to make a name for themselves and put themselves out there especially when the name 'Big Brother' is a depiction of contreversory and has the capacity to shatter your career.

I wouldnt say BB is 'past it' in that sense of the word, viewer expectations have enhanced having seen some wonders in previous years and its proved hard to follow that up. If BB9 was substituted with BB1 the show would have been percieved as one of, if not the biggest shows of the year in 2000. Likewise if BB1 was aired in place of BB9 in 2008 the show would be killed off completely. BB is very much a victim of its own success. The only comparison I could draw is the soaps, how much more can they honestly do that is within the realms of credibility? What was shocking 20/30 years ago is not anymore because its been done so much. The scripted nature of the show, covers it a bit more though.

Wow @ those GA ratings! 13m? A couple years the show was hitting 20m consistently.

2.4m for CBB? Such a shame as this series (IMO) has been quite good.

I actually liked Love Island.

Love Island flopped when it was on and no way would it come back... It would flop more than Trinny and Susannah do... Why do they insist on giving those two women new shows?? Who cares about them?

Apologies if it's been posted anywhere, but I couldn't see it- Minder has been reported as airing on Wednesday 4th February at 9pm. A slot which many people on here guessed it would take. This will provide an excellent schedule aswell with probably the best 8pm lead in of the week with IRT.

Going on the fact it will be a success that will mean soon FIVE will be airing strong rating drama on 5 9pm slots of the week, presuming House will return on Thursdays. This is great for FIVE and I hope even if Minder isn't very good that it gets good ratings, because it will encourage FIVE to produce more homegrown drama.

IIRC series 1 did OK for its slot (5m, which was just good in 2005 ) but it flopped in series 2 when the figures fell to about 2m.

The first series wasn't too bad, didn't deserve the flack it got, but the second was awful though with all the pointless twists and additions. It got hard to keep track of what was going on if you didn't watch it every night. Oh and guess who the producer was? BB8's Rebecca De Young, the one responsible for the worst series ever

So what about tonight folks?

How will Ice Age do versus Total Wipeout? It might take some of the pressure off Wipeout, but viewer fatigue might take Wipeout down as well. Harry Hill should do well again.


In other predictions, I think Demons will do the same number as last week & the Eurovision hunt to flatline. Casualty should do fairly well & BBC1s Outake TV will do well with ITV wrapping up its main schedule at 9.30

Five should have a good evening after 9pm.

How long do we have to wait to find out how The One Show did last night?

The suspense is killing me.

Cant wait till Wednesday week to see how much the overnights were overstated this week.

Hmm, a bit of spin in that. Would that have been 2005 Sheff Utd vs Arsenal (the eventual cup winners), yes it was on BBC Two, a 5th round game which went to a penalty shoot out and did peak around 7m. Football audiences tend to rise don't they the more there is at stake ?

Even last year, much later in the competition at the 5th round replay in Feb - Middlesbrough vs Sheff Utd (Premiership v Championship) mustered 4.6m (20%) on BBC One. It couldn't beat The Bill and didn't win it's slot.

So 5.1m (21.8%) for a third round replay which won it's slot and toppled Waterloo Road (or Grange Hill with Corrie rejects as I like to refer to it) seems decent enough to me.

I think both Ice Age and Total Wipeout will do both the around the same averaging between 4-6million. I think TV Burp as usual will do very well. I think Demons wil be the same last week and the Eurovision show will be down a few 100,000. Casualty should do around the same and Outtake TV should do quite well against that film (which usually do quite badly)

Last Saturday Outtake TV had overnights of 4.69m, more than 2 million less than the two programmes preceding it, In It To Win It and Casualty, which, considering the lack of audience for ITV1's Bond film, ain't too good. (Although it did do better tham last year's two new Alright On The Nights, which had 4.27m and 3.99m consolidated figure.)

When will we get yesterdays UK ratings?

It'll probably be tomorrow now. We always tend to have to wait till Sunday to get Friday ratings along with the Saturday figures. Its just when the media sites update over the weekend.

I wonder where this will go:

http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/default.as...=8597&cfs=1755

Hmmm. Sounds similar to something else... Can't quite put my finger on it...


K

There are more storytelling elements to it.

24 episodes is a lot, I wonder what they're going to do with it, scheduling wise. It's obviously quite a big decision with the amount of episodes commissioned.

I'm guessing a daytime slot - maybe 5pm?

Says 30 minutes, so I'd imagine 7:30pm Tuesday/Thursday nights.