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When Different Doctors meet ... ?
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Paul_Palmer89
21-10-2013
He must remember as he always recall events from his past, plus 11th Dr remembers what 'Hurts' Dr has done which is technically himself anyway........
JDEsseintes
21-10-2013
I think because it's such a paradoxical experience, a certain hormone or defence mechanism in the Time Lord brain causes him to forget the encounter until it occurs again, the severity determined by the length of time between the encounters. The memory would gradually return as events unfold, giving a limited bout of clairvoyance.

Makes a weird kind of sense to me.
cat666
22-10-2013
Again, the incidents only happen the once, just with multiple Doctors present. So later Doctors only experience it at the exact same time the earlier Doctor(s) do. Whatever happens to the earlier self, the older Doctor will know about through memory though, so he effectivley has eyes in various places, but until it happens he won't know, and it's happening there and then. The earlier self is having time re-written.
sandydune
22-10-2013
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“we've had various stories where different doctors encounter each other , but my question is - do they ever address the issue of them remembering it ?
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Maybe The Doctors are just aware it can happen and don't make a big thing of it, unless there is a reason to do so.

As River says" Look at you, you're young "
dvirgo
22-10-2013
Originally Posted by sandydune:
“Maybe The Doctors are just aware it can happen and don't make a big thing of it, unless there is a reason to do so.

As River says" Look at you, you're young "”

I think the 6th Doctor pretty much says that in the 2 Doctors
Matt7
22-10-2013
The 5th Doctor must know he met his other selves in the Five Doctors otherwise he would have no clue as to why he has suddenly become Lord President of Gallifrey.
Jethryk
22-10-2013
The 2nd Doctor remembered meeting Omega in the The Five Doctors, he mentions it to the Brigadier.
Virgil Tracy
23-10-2013
could it be that the current doctor in each story remembers the adventure thats just happened to him but the previous doctors get their minds wiped by the Tardis or something .

so - in the 3 Doctors , they experience the whole story then Hartnell and Troughton lose the memory of it shortly after for them , but Pertwee retains his memory of it .

or is there something which would negate that theory ?


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Jethryk
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“could it be that the current doctor in each story remembers the adventure thats just happened to him but the previous doctors get their minds wiped by the Tardis or something .

so - in the 3 Doctors , they experience the whole story then Hartnell and Troughton lose the memory of it shortly after for them , but Pertwee retains his memory of it .

or is there something which would negate that theory ?


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As I said Troughton remembered Omega in The Five Doctors.
James Frederick
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jethryk:
“As I said Troughton remembered Omega in The Five Doctors.”

If they meet up again their memories could return until it gets wiped again.
Virgil Tracy
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jethryk:
“As I said Troughton remembered Omega in The Five Doctors.”

haven't seen it in a long time , are you saying that in the 5 doctors story Troughton remembers what happened in the 3 Doctors story ?


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Mulett
23-10-2013
I always thought that when multiple doctors meet, they have been taken out of time. Although this is never really explained in classic Who, I took it to mean that those were additional events being shoe-horned into the lives of the Doctor’s past incarnations.

In essence, all of the Doctors involved in the events of (for instance) The Five Doctors are experiencing those events at the same time and for the first time. So the most recent Doctor won’t have a memory of those events because up until that point, they had never happened.

When they are all returned to their correct place in the Doctor’s timeline, only the most recent Doctor remembers those events.

The Five Doctors is an interesting one, though, because I have the impression Sarah Jane had no memory of those events.
Pull2Open
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Mulett:
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The Five Doctors is an interesting one, though, because I have the impression Sarah Jane had no memory of those events.”

Yes, that seems to be the clincher for me! As far as Sarah was concerned, she never saw the Doctor again after the Hand of Fear!

However, the Brigadier's memory appears fine!

Confusing!
adams66
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“The Five Doctors is an interesting one, though, because I have the impression Sarah Jane had no memory of those events.”

Her comments in School Reunion would seem to confirm this.

I don't think there is any mention of the events in The Five Doctors in any subsequent story featuring Sarah, be it in Doctor Who or the SJA.

In Battlefield, does the Brigadier mention The Five Doctors??
Jethryk
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Her comments in School Reunion would seem to confirm this.

I don't think there is any mention of the events in The Five Doctors in any subsequent story featuring Sarah, be it in Doctor Who or the SJA.

In Battlefield, does the Brigadier mention The Five Doctors??”

Maybe it was something to do with the time scoop and the way they returned. The Five Doctor memories were wiped but The Three Doctor memories retained. Can't remember any Brigadier references in Battlefield but I would agree that Sarah doesn't seem to remember anything from the Five Doctors.

Wonder whereabouts in his regeneration Troughton was supposed to be in The Five Doctors. It would have to be after The Invasion but why he would he bother to go to his retirement do?

Going away now because my head hurts.
DiscoP
23-10-2013
Originally Posted by Jethryk:
“Maybe it was something to do with the time scoop and the way they returned. The Five Doctor memories were wiped but The Three Doctor memories retained. Can't remember any Brigadier references in Battlefield but I would agree that Sarah doesn't seem to remember anything from the Five Doctors.

Wonder whereabouts in his regeneration Troughton was supposed to be in The Five Doctors. It would have to be after The Invasion but why he would he bother to go to his retirement do?

Going away now because my head hurts.”

I think Troughton was lifted from season 6B, otherwise how would he know about Jamies and Zoe's memories being wiped by the Timelords? Unless the third Doctor told him in the Three Doctors, no that can't be right because then he would have known what was going to happen to him.
sandydune
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I always thought that when multiple doctors meet, they have been taken out of time.
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Could they sychnorise their sonic screwdrivers to make it easier?
kyllerbuzcut
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by cat666:
“Time Crash is a one off, was for charity, and can probably be ignored.

The way I look at it is that the meetings only happen once and neither Doctor knows it's going to happen until it does. So in The Two Doctors the 2nd, and 6th both experience it at exactly the same time. The 6th doesn't already know it's going to happen as he's lived through it in his 2nd form, as it's not actually happened yet. However once it has happened, the older Doctor would have two lots of memories, what he experienced in his 6th form and also what the 2nd Doctor saw. Time effectivley re-writes itself.”

Yes- I think this is it.

I think you could say that Time Lords have parts of their brains that are in flux due to all the time travel involved ( perhaps why Donna's brain couldn't handle all the 'timey wimey' stuff) When an event involving more than one of him happens, the memory doesn't finally form a proper place in his brain until all of them have experienced the event. Until then that part of his brain is very 'wibbly wobbly', and can't be accessed properly in order to 'remember' the memories that could be stored within that piece of brain which is in flux. I see it as a bit like Schroedinghers cat- it's both there and not there, and not fully formed.

This could also explain somewhat why he acts strangely sometimes and a bit 'wacky'. It must be hard being a time lord, seeing everything that could possibly happen, at the same time as not knowing what will still happen, and having lots of bits in your head that aren't fully there all the time.

Also- in the classic series, the Time Lords were always about to make sure each incarnation got returned to the same point they left, so they could 'cover up' any evidence to ensure no future knowledge was gained or remembered.
I suppose Time Crash could be explained by the Time Lords not being around any more to do the covering up. So whereas in the past the most recent doctor might have been instantly gaining 2 sets of memories at the same time, perhaps with a bit of lag as the memories caught up, or formed in his brain. Time Crash happened to both Doctors on the Tardis, with no Time Lords around for the most recent one. The Tardis could also have facilited the memory catch up and formation.


Just a little theory
kyllerbuzcut
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“I think Troughton was lifted from season 6B, otherwise how would he know about Jamies and Zoe's memories being wiped by the Timelords? Unless the third Doctor told him in the Three Doctors, no that can't be right because then he would have known what was going to happen to him.”

I have seen a theory- which I liked - about this. At the end of the war games, Troughton's doc was forced to complete some special missions for the Time Lords (explaining why they came for him there and then). Later, when we first see the 3rd doc, it is said that the Time Lords forced him to regenerate and plonked him on Earth with a piece missing from his tardis (removal/deactivation of some kind of link to eye of harmony??). The Time Lords obviously wiped all memory of this for whatever reason. Possibly part of that reason was the 2 doctors 2&6 meeting.
kyllerbuzcut
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by JDEsseintes:
“I think because it's such a paradoxical experience, a certain hormone or defence mechanism in the Time Lord brain causes him to forget the encounter until it occurs again, the severity determined by the length of time between the encounters. The memory would gradually return as events unfold, giving a limited bout of clairvoyance.

Makes a weird kind of sense to me.”

Sorry- must have skipped past this comment on first skim-read through. Sounds a little bit similar to what I said ( after you ), although I'm sure I've said it in a similar thread or 2


Also there is the possibilty now that..... Clara did it
SIMON_DAWSON
24-10-2013
here's my take on this, once a doctor regenerates his memories are transferred to the matrix on their home planet, and can only be accessed under special conditions . Also the latest companion is the matrix in human form as a desperate act by the time lords during he time war to preserve the memories of the time lords . That could explain why she showed the 1'st doctor which TARDIS to take, appear in all the time lines and keep saying "remember me , you clever boy"
sandydune
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by kyllerbuzcut:
“Also there is the possibilty now that..... Clara did it ”

What did Clara do?
kyllerbuzcut
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by sandydune:
“What did Clara do?”

Well- she did a lot of things,

Anything unexplained, or any possible plot holes. They are not really unexplained and are not at all plot holes (after the ecents of the last episode of 7b, because either Clara did it, or the GI did it, or Clara stopping the GI did it.....etc
sandydune
24-10-2013
Originally Posted by kyllerbuzcut:
“ because either Clara did it, or the GI did it, or Clara stopping the GI did it.....etc”

I suppose you could say there are possibilities and then some.
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