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Old 21-10-2015, 08:42
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Latest results from EE.



EE results for the quarter ending September 2015 (2015 Jul-Sep). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Apr-Jun) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Jul-Sep).

Mobile service revenue: £1391m (2015 Apr-Jun: £1380m, 2014 Jul-Sep: £1411m)

Mobile Customers - Total: 24.198m (2015 Jun: 24.246m, 2014 Sep: 24.489m)
Mobile Customers - Contract: 15.197m (2015 Jun: 15.050m, 2014 Sep: 14.757m)
Mobile Customers - Prepaid: 9.001m (2015 Jun: 9.196m, 2014 Sep: 9.732m)

4G Customers: 12.578m (2015 Jun: 10.853m, 2014 Sep: 5.626m)

4G Outdoor Population Coverage: 93% (Double speed 75%)

4G sites: >10,000

Wifi Calling Users: >1.7m
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Old 21-10-2015, 09:18
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Thanks as always for the results seems they have stabilised there customer loss now. Surprising that they have listed WiFi Calling customers now. Good achievement though to have got half there customers onto 4G.

If they are at 93% now I would be surprised if they can reach 98% by end of year that 5% is going to be extremely tricky I would imagine.

Anyone think they can manage it?
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Old 21-10-2015, 09:42
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I suspect you're right enapace. 98% seems a point or two too far for the end of the year.

Maybe we'll never see a press release from EE saying they've reached 98% and it will fall to BT to inform everyone they've given us 98% before anyone else!
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Old 21-10-2015, 10:27
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Nah, once BT take over investment will dry up and it'll all fall into decline probably.
BT don't like investment!
Unless Swantee stays in charge and is allowed to do what he likes.
That never happens of course.
Will be just like FT taking over Orange.
Snook left and it all went t*ts up.
Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

But hey, silver lining, it's Back to the Future day today, I've already been on Amazon and ordered 2 flying cars and a hover board!
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Old 21-10-2015, 10:29
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I suspect you're right enapace. 98% seems a point or two too far for the end of the year.

Maybe we'll never see a press release from EE saying they've reached 98% and it will fall to BT to inform everyone they've given us 98% before anyone else!
In fairness BT buyout could still be approved before end of year not outside realm of possibility.

Expect by end of year EE will be at 95-97% and probably make 98% by end of Q1.

Hopefully then we start seeing more density added to the network and 800MHz rollout.

I'm still waiting see if BT deliver 90% Superfast fixed line by end of year expect that will slip till Q1 as well.

Nah, once BT take over investment will dry up and it'll all fall into decline probably.
BT don't like investment!
Unless Swantee stays in charge and is allowed to do what he likes.
That never happens of course.
Will be just like FT taking over Orange.
Snook left and it all went t*ts up.
Ah well, it was good while it lasted.

But hey, silver lining, it's Back to the Future day today, I've already been on Amazon and ordered 2 flying cars and a hover board!
Think your forgetting BT already saying they investing in G.Fast which isn't going to be cheap however you look at it Devon. You probably right in thinking it won't benefit rural areas sadly but think you used to that by now. Can't see government willing to do another BDUK to help push Fibre to DP but if they did probably would be last time they would ever need to.

Plus EE needs continue investment so they make the 90% Geographic Coverage Obligation they agreed to.
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Old 21-10-2015, 10:58
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Nah, once BT take over investment will dry up and it'll all fall into decline probably.
BT don't like investment!
Unless Swantee stays in charge and is allowed to do what he likes.
That never happens of course.
Will be just like FT taking over Orange.
Snook left and it all went t*ts up.
Ah well, it was good while it lasted.
It's a good point about what happens to Olaf. Obviously we've had the public comments that he'll stay during the handover as one would expect but what about after? He's had a pretty free rein running EE. I suspect if EE remains a standalone mobile operation within BT just with a branding change then he could stay. However, if it's subsumed into BT existing consumer/business divisions and he finds himself reporting to the existing heads of those then he won't stick around. Presumably he has the option of returning to Orange. Alternatively Vodafone's HQ is just a 5 minute walk from his existing office so maybe they might want to snap him up with minimal disruption to his personal life.

Good parallel with Orange/FT/Snook (except Olaf comes from FT/Orange)!
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:02
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In fairness BT buyout could still be approved before end of year not outside realm of possibility.

Expect by end of year EE will be at 95-97% and probably make 98% by end of Q1.

Hopefully then we start seeing more density added to the network and 800MHz rollout.

I'm still waiting see if BT deliver 90% Superfast fixed line by end of year expect that will slip till Q1 as well.



Think your forgetting BT already saying they investing in G.Fast which isn't going to be cheap however you look at it Devon. You probably right in thinking it won't benefit rural areas sadly but think you used to that by now. Can't see government willing to do another BDUK to help push Fibre to DP but if they did probably would be last time they would ever need to.

Plus EE needs continue investment so they make the 90% Geographic Coverage Obligation they agreed to.
Yeah I suppose. I'd forgotten about the 90% thing.
I think that will require 800 on one hell of a lot of rural sites.
The geography down here means it would need to be on most of them to get into all the nooks and crannies.
Do you know what the current geographic figure is?
Was it 72 - 75% or something?
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:09
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It's a good point about what happens to Olaf. Obviously we've had the public comments that he'll stay during the handover as one would expect but what about after? He's had a pretty free rein running EE. I suspect if EE remains a standalone mobile operation within BT just with a branding change then he could stay. However, if it's subsumed into BT existing consumer/business divisions and he finds himself reporting to the existing heads of those then he won't stick around. Presumably he has the option of returning to Orange. Alternatively Vodafone's HQ is just a 5 minute walk from his existing office so maybe they might want to snap him up with minimal disruption to his personal life.

Good parallel with Orange/FT/Snook (except Olaf comes from FT/Orange)!
If they had any sense he would stay and so would the brand.
They haven't though, so they won't.
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:22
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Yeah I suppose. I'd forgotten about the 90% thing.
I think that will require 800 on one hell of a lot of rural sites.
The geography down here means it would need to be on most of them to get into all the nooks and crannies.
Do you know what the current geographic figure is?
Was it 72 - 75% or something?
Honestly I don't know current figure Ja might do but I would be shocked if it was that high. O2 2G is only around 79/80% if I'm remembering correctly.
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:23
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I kind of meant EE's 2G coverage when I said that really!
(sort of taking into account that 4G1800 will hopefully be cranked up at some point).
Clearly 3G or 4G is nowhere near that.
Even if it was currently 75% then I can't see how 800 will fill the next 15% but maybe it will.
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:33
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Slightly off topic, but I've noticed in the past week or so quite a few references to this "Snook" guy, I presume he's someone from the past, when I wasn't quite as in on the networks as I am today, could someone explain who he was to me?
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:34
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I kind of meant EE's 2G coverage when I said that really!
(sort of taking into account that 4G1800 will hopefully be cranked up at some point).
Clearly 3G or 4G is nowhere near that.
Even if it was currently 75% then I can't see how 800 will fill the next 15% but maybe it will.
Obviously building more masts is required MIP masts will obviously help push it up there as well.
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Old 21-10-2015, 11:57
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I kind of meant EE's 2G coverage when I said that really!
(sort of taking into account that 4G1800 will hopefully be cranked up at some point).
Clearly 3G or 4G is nowhere near that.
Even if it was currently 75% then I can't see how 800 will fill the next 15% but maybe it will.
In Ofcom's last annual infrastructure report (there should be a new one out in a couple of months), EE's geographic 2G coverage was 78%. However this used a pretty tough signal threshold of -86dBm. For the 90% obligation, the threshold for 2G will be -93dBm.

So they're already a lot closer without doing anything!
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Old 21-10-2015, 12:07
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Slightly off topic, but I've noticed in the past week or so quite a few references to this "Snook" guy, I presume he's someone from the past, when I wasn't quite as in on the networks as I am today, could someone explain who he was to me?
Ex head of Orange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Snook
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Old 21-10-2015, 13:12
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800 will be good. I haven't got a phone that can use it (on 3) but I've got one that can see it and shows a decent signal at 13 miles from the mast. So I'm thinking it will fill in a hell of a lot of not spots. If it's restricted, as with 3, to certain VoLTE handsets, EE and 3 will suddenly have the jump on the long term voice superiority of VO2 in most rural parts of the UK.
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Old 21-10-2015, 22:59
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In Ofcom's last annual infrastructure report (there should be a new one out in a couple of months), EE's geographic 2G coverage was 78%. However this used a pretty tough signal threshold of -86dBm. For the 90% obligation, the threshold for 2G will be -93dBm.

So they're already a lot closer without doing anything!
-93 is still a pretty good signal though.
Are they going for 4G at 90% I can't remember now?
I suppose if 2G is at 90% and enough sites are 800 then 4G will beat it anyway.
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Old 21-10-2015, 23:04
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Slightly off topic, but I've noticed in the past week or so quite a few references to this "Snook" guy, I presume he's someone from the past, when I wasn't quite as in on the networks as I am today, could someone explain who he was to me?
Crazy Man who brought us per second billing and a calls allowance (Orange Talk 15 - 15 minutes for 15 quid ... Yaheee!!) and decent CS (for a while).
Wore a leather jacket all the time, probably still does, likes colonic irrigation and chain smokes
He took (or takes) a cocktail of vitamins in an effort to counteract the carcinogens.
Yes, he's still alive!
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Old 22-10-2015, 14:14
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-93 is still a pretty good signal though.
Are they going for 4G at 90% I can't remember now?
I suppose if 2G is at 90% and enough sites are 800 then 4G will beat it anyway.
Yeah, they said 90% geo 4G is the target.
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Old 22-10-2015, 20:04
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Yeah, they said 90% geo 4G is the target.
To be honest have they even really got another option 2G 1800MHz 90% Geographic will be harder get then doing it with a mix of 4G 1800MHz and 4G 800MHz.
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Old 22-10-2015, 23:19
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Slightly off topic, but I've noticed in the past week or so quite a few references to this "Snook" guy, I presume he's someone from the past, when I wasn't quite as in on the networks as I am today, could someone explain who he was to me?
Sums him up. Not recent but recent enough to explain him. http://lazagaleta.com/magazine/hans-snook.htm
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Old 12-02-2016, 21:51
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End of an era as these are probably the last set of results to be reported independently of BT.


EE results for the quarter ending December 2015 (2015 Oct-Dec). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Jul-Sep) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Oct-Dec).

Mobile service revenue: £1380m (2015 Jul-Sep: £1391m, 2014 Oct-Dec: £1415m)

Mobile Customers - Total: 24.187m (2015 Sep: 24.198m, 2014 Dec: 24.476m)
Mobile Customers - Contract: 15.338m (2015 Sep: 15.197m, 2014 Dec: 14.901m)
Mobile Customers - Prepaid: 8.849m (2015 Sep: 9.001m, 2014 Dec: 9.575m)

4G Customers: 14m
4G Outdoor Population Coverage: 95% (Double speed 80%)
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Old 12-02-2016, 23:33
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End of an era ........
It's being so bloody cheerful that keeps you going isn't it!!!!
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Old 13-02-2016, 00:28
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And on that cheerful note, look what BT have up their sleeves ready for any forward thinking mobile operator. Why have fibre when you could have copper...?

http://www.btplc.com/News/#/pressrel...rds-5g-1312992
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Old 13-02-2016, 01:14
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And on that cheerful note, look what BT have up their sleeves ready for any forward thinking mobile operator. Why have fibre when you could have copper...?

http://www.btplc.com/News/#/pressrel...rds-5g-1312992
BT loathe investment so anything that squeezes every last penny out of copper is a good thing as far as the bean counters who run BT are concerned.

Guess those bean counters will be heading to EE to put a stop to investment after 4G roll out is complete.
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Old 13-02-2016, 01:43
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Wow copper going faster ..means all those rural masts should see an upgrade at least.
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