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Zack, please, the first Android phone, to buy, in the shops was the G1 aka HTC Dream, first available 22 October 2008.
iPhone available to buy June 29 2007. Source: Wikipedia. That's a full 15 months earlier. 15 months. By the time Google had got their act together, Apple had already released the 2nd iteration of iPhone, the 3G. Android (for touch) was totally a reaction to the iPhone and it took Google all that time to re-engineer Android for touch and come up with what was at best a mediocre device notable only for being the first smartphone to offer Android. And that chin. ![]() As it was, I had to wait for my then feature phone contract to expire before getting what was then the new(ish) HTC G2. By that time, of course, other manufacturers were coming on board with their takes on what constituted a great Android phone. And that G2 ended up being buggy rubbish BTW. ), so no, they did not "re-engineer" Android at all. Here's the original video, posted in November 2007, it had been in development for quite some time by then. The TMobile G1 came a year later because Google had to get people on board with Android before anything could happen. They formed the Open Handset Alliance in November 2007 following Android's debut and worked closely with HTC to create the first Android device. Android as a touch operating system was already in existence the same year Apple debuted the iPhone, so they absolutely did not take 15 months to "catch up" as it were. The two OSs were very much being worked on in parallel. The interesting thing is how far Android has come in such a short time. After the success of the Motorola Droid and later the Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire, it only took Android around a year to begin surpassing iOS. |
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Microsoft had tablet computers before iPad with project origami. It was a failure like the surface RT is a failure as they don't understand the use case of a tablet.
You can't deny that the iPad was the first successful iteration of the tablet computer that we know and love today. It was a game changer in the industry. The Android tablets were way behind for quite a while. Microsoft could have taken that spot if they had been quicker on the ball. Android has caught iPad up now and exceeded it in some aspects, especially in the 7inch sector. But it is a good thing that we have the choice. As much as you hate Apple, Android has more in common with iOS than you probably care to admit and it's good for the consumer that there is no one dominating eco system right now. Competition is good but you seem to fail to understand this. |
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I don't have any DLNA devices. We bought our TV in 2010 and it's not a smart TV. However I appreciate your statement about most people having DLNA capable TV's, as I want to upgrade our TV
![]() ..... little bit pricey still at the moment tho
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Their pricing is a huge deterrent to take up because Surface tablets are apparently more expensive than their Android equivalents thus guaranteeing that Microsoft will remain firmly in third place in terms of tablet OSs.
With iOS and Android all the basic tasks are obvious. |
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I saw some 4k units demo'd yesterday and i have to say i was amazed
..... little bit pricey still at the moment tho ![]() A 4k screen for work would be awesome, I'm having to make do with a 24" 1920x1200 IPS screen ... |
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Google debuted Android in November 2007, with a prototype 3G touch device (before the iPhone 3G was released
), so no, they did not "re-engineer" Android at all. Here's the original video, posted in November 2007, it had been in development for quite some time by then. The TMobile G1 came a year later because Google had to get people on board with Android before anything could happen. They formed the Open Handset Alliance in November 2007 following Android's debut and worked closely with HTC to create the first Android device. Android as a touch operating system was already in existence the same year Apple debuted the iPhone, so they absolutely did not take 15 months to "catch up" as it were. The two OSs were very much being worked on in parallel. The interesting thing is how far Android has come in such a short time. After the success of the Motorola Droid and later the Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire, it only took Android around a year to begin surpassing iOS. Google, in the meantime, scrambled to get the hardware together to match. As for Android? Well, I agree it is likely it was ready for the hooks for a touch UI. Has Android now matched iOS? Matched and exceeded. But with the vast resources of virtually every major consumer electronics company and Google behind it, how could it not? But like a Swiss Army Knife with 41 tools, sometimes you're better off putting that screw in with a screwdriver. |
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I'm not disputing that a phone OS, Android, was in development alongside the iPhone. What I am disputing is the whole "well of course it's ready for touch" thing because touch wasn't on the cards. If it was was, they wouldn't have this as a prototype. What was the dominant handset at that time in the US? The Blackberry. That's the market Google were so obviously aiming at and when Apple came along and debuted iPhone (with Jobs having a go at 'fixed' keypads) - not only did some manufacturers not believe it was possible (despite the evidence in Steve Jobs hands), some even dismissed it as a gimmick and laughed it off.
Google, in the meantime, scrambled to get the hardware together to match. As for Android? Well, I agree it is likely it was ready for the hooks for a touch UI. Has Android now matched iOS? Matched and exceeded. But with the vast resources of virtually every major consumer electronics company and Google behind it, how could it not? But like a Swiss Army Knife with 41 tools, sometimes you're better off putting that screw in with a screwdriver. |
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Just found this thread and thought I'd give my tuppence as someone who owns an iPhone 4s and hudl.
Overall, for me there is no comparison whatsoever - the hudl outperforms the iPhone 4s running iOS 7 on every single thing imaginable but I'll list a few: 1. Gameplay I play Farm Story 2 on iPhone and it crashes/freezes almost every day - as does Bakery Story, Restaurant Story & Dragon Story. FS2 isn't available on Android but none of these games crash or freeze on hudl. 2. eReader I can read all Kindle books I've purchased on both devices, however, I cannot read any mobi or epubs I have downloaded from elsewhere on my iPhone and neither can I read any iBooks on anything but the latter. I can read whatever I like from wherever I like on hudl - apart from the iBooks I purchased. 3. Customisation I'm stuck with whatever is available on iTunes which I find very limiting. On hudl, I am able to pick/choose/change everything I like from launcher to email, and ringtone to security system simply and easily from many different sources apart from the Play Store (Aptoide, Blackmart Alpha, SlideMe Market) and most of the really good stuff is still free or if not I can use 4 Share to get paid apps free through P2P sharing. 4. Apps Testing If I don't like something I've bought on iPhone - tough. On hudl, I have 15 minutes to play around/test apps and if I don't like them I get a full refund - no questions asked. 5. ROMs I don't believe that it's even possible to flash custom roms on iOS devices unless they're jailbroken. Android allows this to be done and every one I've ever used provides root access which opens devices up to more possibilities than ever for devs and enthusiasts. 6. Expansion Not possible on iPhone. I have a micro sd card with movies and TV series on it that I can play on my hudl and my older tablet. I don't even have the bother of having to download them to the individual devices and the internal memory isn't getting depleted by storing this data. 7. HDMI Not available on iPhone although I know that you can buy adapters for this facility but they're nowhere near as cheap as the £1.69 cable I bought for the hudl though. 8. Sound/Music This is the only category where the iPhone wins hands-down. The sound quality is excellent and I doubt it can be improved-upon. This is the only reason why I still have this handset which I get with free with my phone contract. It wouldn't be enough of a reason for me to spend hundreds of pounds on one though and I never would. Hudl's speakers are tiny and tinny-sounding but this can be overcome by using the HDMI lead and playing it through an HD TV. 9. uTorrent Not available in the iTunes Store I can download torrents for films, TV programmes, books, magazines etc to my hearts content and watch/read them on Android. |
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No! I am going to stick with "overall user experience" rather than try to break it down for people to snipe at!
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Talking of other tablets, the updated Nexus 10 is rumoured to arrive in 4 days.
With still only 30% more screen pxiels than any retina Ipad I'm half expecting it to be newly priced at £320 to reflect the ever evolving fall in production costs. |
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I have an ipad 3 and a 2012 Nexus 7. The ipad is the one I use daily, the nexus 7 is the one I use for the more specialised stuff you can't do on iOS and tbh it isn't in the same league as the ipad.
Now my iphone 4 has been ios7'd it's slow and clunky and it's going to be replaced by a Nexus 5, but at the moment I couldn't give up the ipad. |
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I cannot read any mobi or epubs I have downloaded from elsewhere on my iPhone.
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I don't know anything about android development, but in that YouTube video the man talks about it being for touch devices and he uses his finger to navigate the maps app. See can see that around the 4.40 mark.
I can't see how Google was "scrambling" to get a touch device, when they demoed a fully fledged touch Android device WITH 3G before the iPhone 3G even came out, and all this was shown just 4/5 months after the original iPhone. I guess it was lost on that particular poster who is only seeing what they want to see. The reality is rather different, and in many respects, Apple has been playing catch-up to Google ever since Android debuted. |
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You can certainly read epub using the iBooks app; I do it all the time. And I am certain there must be lots of 3rd party apps you could use to read epub or mobi on iOS.
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Just for interest - the Android prototype:
http://gizmodo.com/334909/google-and...pe-in-the-wild It's certainly come a long way. |
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Not the ones I get from bit torrent sites
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my ipad mini opens epubs ive downloaded from torrent sites. Yes, ive not downloaded the actual book from a torrent site on the ipad as utorrent isnt available but if ive downloaded them either on my phone or laptop its a simple procedure to bluetooth or dropbox them onto the ipad and they open
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my ipad mini opens epubs ive downloaded from torrent sites. Yes, ive not downloaded the actual book from a torrent site on the ipad as utorrent isnt available but if ive downloaded them either on my phone or laptop its a simple procedure to bluetooth or dropbox them onto the ipad and they open
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Not even necessary on Android as I can use uTorrent.
i was commenting on your statement that you cant open epubs youve downloaded from elsewhere to read in ibooks when you can. Ive read a few books ive got from torrent sites on my ipad mini and the only reader i have on there is ibooks |
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Interesting, didn't think you could do bluetooth file transfer to iDevices - I can't send from any of my other devices (Symbian, Android or Playbook) to my iPhone.
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That's because a keyboard ducks on a iPad as OS is not build with it in mind. The iPad is a great device and aimed at a crown audience. I will take my Surface RT with key board any day of the week.
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Interesting, didn't think you could do bluetooth file transfer to iDevices - I can't send from any of my other devices (Symbian, Android or Playbook) to my iPhone.
....30 minutes later I used my PC with bluetooth and emailed it to her.
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That's because a keyboard ducks on a iPad as OS is not build with it in mind. The iPad is a great device and aimed at a crown audience. I will take my Surface RT with key board any day of the week.
FYI iPad onscreen keyboard is only 10mm smaller A-L than a full size keyboard, so it's not too hard to adapt. Sent from my iPad
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I'm planning to get a Nexus 7. I played with it in PC World and I was impressed. Not too keen on the iPad/Mini. My parents have an iPad and I played with it and didn't really like it. I'm not an Apple hater either as I'm sitting here typing this on a Mac, but when it comes to tablets sometimes non-Apple ones are better.
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I'm planning to get a Nexus 7.
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), so no, they did not "re-engineer" Android at all. 
..... little bit pricey still at the moment tho
