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alanwarwic
05-11-2013
Originally Posted by akki007:
“That's pretty stark actually wouldn't you say?”

Yes, most iPads sold are in the US. It gets nearly the whole of the Apple pie.

Here that seems to be 81% of the ads from Chitka.

What, no adblock? This also means iPads get 81% of the tracking cookies in the US.
They also do search targeted ads.
akki007
05-11-2013
Here you go, same in UK

http://www.smartinsights.com/mobile-...ng-statistics/
alanwarwic
05-11-2013
Do those figures include the likes of the N5, S4 and HTC one?

There is not the quarantined usage like what we have with IOS.
zantarous
05-11-2013
Originally Posted by zapod:
“If you're going to have a dig at the iPad and it's virtual keyboard, at least have the decency to learn how to use your own keyboard first.

FYI iPad onscreen keyboard is only 10mm smaller A-L than a full size keyboard, so it's not too hard to adapt.

Sent from my iPad ”

Damn swipe on the S4 autocorrect some really silly stuff. I wasn't really having a dig and I should have been clearer I was talking about the physical keyboard that some people add to their iPad. The device simply wasn't build for it and you can feel it when in use.

I am typing this on. Touchcover 2 on a Surface Pro 2 and boy what a well put together piece of kit that is. Although a unfair comparisons as the Pro is twice the price of the iPad.
zapod
06-11-2013
I have tried my usual typing test on a Surface RT Touch Cover and found it to be acceptable in the same way as typing on the iPad screen is acceptable. Ironically, I found the on-screen keyboard on the HP Touchpad to be the best as it had a dedicated number row which the iPad sorely lacks to the point of impeding a good typing flow.

The only keyboard that makes sense on iPad is Apple's own BT keyboard (the one that ships with Macs) as the couple of dedicated iPad keyboards I do have literally don't measure up and I usually end up typing on glass anyway.

And, yeah, Swype on my phone simply won't pick up certain words... maybe it's me?
Voynich
06-11-2013
People are buying non Apple tablets by the shed load and not using them? Okay.
akki007
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by Voynich:
“People are buying non Apple tablets by the shed load and not using them? Okay. ”

Non ipad tablets represent only 19% of tablet browsing. It's just a fact.
Voynich
06-11-2013
So people are probably using them for games, reading, movies, music etc. It's a bit of a stretch to say they're being bought and not used. Why on earth would people do that? Sounds like a marketing gimmick by Apple to me.
paulbrock
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by akki007:
“Non ipad tablets represent only 19% of tablet browsing. It's just a fact.”

what if the user agent is modified (something fairly common and easy to do on Android)?

Originally Posted by Voynich:
“So people are probably using them for games, reading, movies, music etc. It's a bit of a stretch to say they're being bought and not used. Why on earth would people do that? Sounds like a marketing gimmick by Apple to me.”

its straw-clutching. Its an attempt to suggest that their tablets are the only usable ones on the market, which is of course nonsense. Its flawed data, because there is a large existing ipad user base out there, so sales today won't reflect usage today. Plus the whole agent string I mentioned.

But, it makes a couple of Apple fans happy that they're still 'winning' something (and repeating what Apple CEO says almost word for word), so lets not poor too much water on their bonfire
kidspud
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“what if the user agent is modified (something fairly common and easy to do on Android)?



its straw-clutching. Its an attempt to suggest that their tablets are the only usable ones on the market, which is of course nonsense. Its flawed data, because there is a large existing ipad user base out there, so sales today won't reflect usage today. Plus the whole agent string I mentioned.

But, it makes a couple of Apple fans happy that they're still 'winning' something (and repeating what Apple CEO says almost word for word), so lets not poor too much water on their bonfire ”

Although I always find that type of data unbelievable, it is not provided by apple. I also cannot believe that the vast majority of people get and android tablet and then change the agent string. That would not be usual behaviour of any user, and why on earth would they need to do that.
alanwarwic
06-11-2013
"App usage (80% of time) dominates browsers in mobile usage"
From that last link.

Again that stat is open to abuse/interpretation as Android can easily be set as 'Desktop Browser'.
But it does show how useless some mobiles are at the web that they really do need their apps
Voynich
06-11-2013
Yes app usage could be a better indication. Take a game like Candy Crush. Any figures on how many tablets that was installed on? Maybe people just don't take to browsing on 7” tabs and prefer to use them for games and apps like Facebook . Seems a more realistic suggestion that they were simply bought and never used.
akki007
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“what if the user agent is modified (something fairly common and easy to do on Android)?



its straw-clutching. Its an attempt to suggest that their tablets are the only usable ones on the market, which is of course nonsense. Its flawed data, because there is a large existing ipad user base out there, so sales today won't reflect usage today. Plus the whole agent string I mentioned.

But, it makes a couple of Apple fans happy that they're still 'winning' something (and repeating what Apple CEO says almost word for word), so lets not poor too much water on their bonfire ”

I shouldn't have said browsing.. It's web traffic. 81% of all web traffic from a tablet.... Is from an ipad. Interesting stat considering iPads represent less than half of the tablets out there.

But you're probably right, android users are just changing their browser agent hey.
paulbrock
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by akki007:
“I shouldn't have said browsing.. It's web traffic. 81% of all web traffic from a tablet.... Is from an ipad. Interesting stat considering iPads represent less than half of the tablets out there.”

you've missed one of my main points. No-one is (or should be) claiming iPads are less than half of the tablets out there. They are less than half of the tablets being sold today.
paulbrock
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“I also cannot believe that the vast majority of people get and android tablet and then change the agent string. That would not be usual behaviour of any user, and why on earth would they need to do that.”

"request desktop site" changes the agent string. I would imagine its a pretty common occurence.
akki007
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“you've missed one of my main points. No-one is (or should be) claiming iPads are less than half of the tablets out there. They are less than half of the tablets being sold today.”

Ah, so way more iPads have been sold, and they are used more. I get it now.
akki007
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by paulbrock:
“"request desktop site" changes the agent string. I would imagine its a pretty common occurence.”

Does it change it to a non tablet device?
paulbrock
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by akki007:
“Does it change it to a non tablet device?”

yes, that is how it works. sites that provide mobile pages based on the user agent string are fooled into thinking its a desktop device that is browsing the site, so show the desktop pages instead.
calico_pie
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by Zack06:
“A decent keyboard is one without a spacebar the size of a nail.”

Something a bit more like this?
calico_pie
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“That seems to be because you don't use them - you see plenty of times on here that people do use them a lot and is often one of the reasons they choose Android over iOS.”

I'm not disputing that some people use them - I'm sure they can be useful.

I'm just saying that perhaps they aren't as big a deal for a lot of users. Even on threads here where people have posted their phone's home screen few included much more than weather apps, clocks and news tickers. All of which is just a tap away without widgets.
calico_pie
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by Voynich:
“So people are probably using them for games, reading, movies, music etc. It's a bit of a stretch to say they're being bought and not used. Why on earth would people do that? Sounds like a marketing gimmick by Apple to me.”

What does?

The stats by independent research companies?

Just making it all up?

I think its more likely that they're not being used as much, rather than the being used as much for games, reading, movies, music etc, but strangely not getting used for web browsing.
akki007
06-11-2013
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“What does?

The stats by independent research companies?

Just making it all up?

I think its more likely that they're not being used as much, rather than the being used as much for games, reading, movies, music etc, but strangely not getting used for web browsing.”

Or connecting to the web at all.
Resonance
07-11-2013
As others have said it's probably due to people requesting the desktop site. Who wants to view a site designed for a little phone on a 10 inch or for that matter 7 inch tablet.
Voynich
07-11-2013
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“What does?

The stats by independent research companies?

Just making it all up?

I think its more likely that they're not being used as much, rather than the being used as much for games, reading, movies, music etc, but strangely not getting used for web browsing.”

Now now, I didn't dismiss the stats. Just the claim that it means that because the internet browser figures are low, then they not being used for anything else either and are sitting unused. That they are being bought in their millions and sitting unused is very a strange idea. Amazon must be very disappointed in their Kindle, it's designed for them selling you books and movies!

If there's figures showing that no apps are being installed on tablets either I will believe the claim.
paulbrock
07-11-2013
There's stats on the devices visiting google play,which is close.
http://developer.android.com/about/d...rds/index.html

Its not exact as some 7" devices fall in the large category rather than xlarge, but at least 4.8% of devices accessing GP are tablets. I think thats reasonable. Not sure of exact numbers though.

(And excludes kindle and various chinese tabs which don't access Google play)
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