Samsung Galaxy S4 ships 40m in six months

jabbamk1 · 24-10-2013, 14:02

Samsung have announced that their flagship phone, Samsung Galaxy S4, has shipped over 40m units in the first 6 months since release. When compared to Galaxy S3 it took Samsung 8 months to reach the same total.

The Galaxy S4 has been a huge success for Samsung and much better than the Galaxy S3. The S4 is Samsungs fastest selling handset to date.

What people need to understand is that Samsung are disappointed with the fact the S4 hasn't done better. Not that the S4 has performed worse than the S3.

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/27...Galaxy_S4.aspx

swordman · 24-10-2013, 14:21

As I mentioned in another thread I think Samsung expected apple like sales for the s4, which perhaps was unrealistic given the number of phones they produce.

Not bad numbers considering the level of the direct competition is better than it was for the s3.

paulbrock · 24-10-2013, 14:23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._mobile_phones

for comparison..

jabbamk1 · 24-10-2013, 14:29

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._mobile_phones

for comparison..

Half of those numbers are made up.
Worst sourced information i've ever seen!!!!!

kidspud · 24-10-2013, 15:07

Does make you wonder why it has suffered such large price reductions.

jonner101 · 24-10-2013, 16:17

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Does make you wonder why it has suffered such large price reductions.

These are shipped figures not actual sales though.

If there is more supply than demand then the price has to go down.

calico_pie · 24-10-2013, 16:27

You mean the exact bone of contention that cropped up in recent discussions about the iPhone suddenly isn't an issue anymore?

jabbamk1 · 24-10-2013, 16:38

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

You mean the exact bone of contention that cropped up in recent discussions about the iPhone suddenly isn't an issue anymore?

The Samsung has been out 6 months. The S3 was sold at a lower price six months after release as well. As are pretty much all android phones. It's something called depreciation.

The iPhone 5c saw a price drop after 2 weeks. That's not the same.

Nor are shipped and sold the same.

I seriously struggle to understand you sometimes. Then i remember you're an iPhone fanboy and it makes sense.

swordman · 24-10-2013, 16:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

You mean the exact bone of contention that cropped up in recent discussions about the iPhone suddenly isn't an issue anymore?

So if I get this straight you are saying the two things are exactly the same are you?

swordman · 24-10-2013, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

These are shipped figures not actual sales though.

If there is more supply than demand then the price has to go down.

They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers.

jabbamk1 · 24-10-2013, 16:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers.

Read Jonners post again. He's correct.

jonner101 · 24-10-2013, 16:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers.

Are you for real, the OP said these are shipped sales. The retailers are the ones who are selling the units to the end user.

You can easily buy a brand new unlocked S4 for around £400 which is much less than the official retail price which can only indicate there is more supply than demand.

swordman · 24-10-2013, 16:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Read Jonners post again. He's correct.

He is correct that they are shipped figures but items shipped are bought by retailers to sell, that is what samsung do (any phone company) sell into the retail chain.

My point what what other figures should we be seeing, what else can samsung report?

swordman · 24-10-2013, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

Are you for real, the OP said these are shipped sales. The retailers are the ones who are selling the units to the end user.

You can easily buy a brand new unlocked S4 for around £400 which is much less than the official retail price which can only indicate there is more supply than demand.

Shipped sales exactly and your point is what exactly?

You have no evidence of over supply or lack of demand just your usual nonsense. Your analogy means everything reduced in price means over supply, is that what your claiming?

Price reduction can stem from many things, market strategy, reduction in production costs etc. I could buy an s4 days after launch for less than the RRP, in fact I could buy almost anything for less than the retail price is that all the result of over supply

jonner101 · 24-10-2013, 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

He is correct that they are shipped figures but items shipped are bought by retailers to sell, that is what samsung do (any phone company) sell into the retail chain.

My point what what other figures should we be seeing, what else can samsung report?

I was trying to explain why there was a price drop.

I'm not expecting any other figures, my comment is that you can buy an S4 for much less than the official retail hence there must be plenty of supply in the hands of retailers. That is all. If there was limited stock then the price would go up and be more in line with the official retail price

40 million shipped is an impressive figure nevertheless and puts into perspective the sales figures of something like the Nexus 4.

swordman · 24-10-2013, 16:59

No you were posting a fact, which I questioned.

Price reduction does not automatically equate to over supply (therefore lack of sales) for the reasons I have pointed out. There are many many reasons a price reduction may be implemented and the very competitive nature of the android sector is without doubt one of them. The price reduction is a likely from Samsung as it is from a retail like fire sale from unsold handsets.

However on the flip side I am not saying that it automatically does not equal that either, just simply there are variables to consider and I very much doubt it is as black and white as you say.

kidspud · 24-10-2013, 17:07

This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+.

calico_pie · 24-10-2013, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers.

It is kinda funny the way you were al over this when it was Apple, but now seems to be confusing you.

Is this a wind up?

swordman · 24-10-2013, 17:08

£200+ really how do you work that out then?

jonner101 · 24-10-2013, 17:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

No you were posting a fact, which I questioned.

Price reduction does not automatically equate to over supply (therefore lack of sales) for the reasons I have pointed out. There are many many reasons a price reduction may be implemented and the very competitive nature of the android sector is without doubt one of them. The price reduction is a likely from Samsung as it is from a retail like fire sale from unsold handsets.

However on the flip side I am not saying that it automatically does not equal that either, just simply there are variables to consider and I very much doubt it is as black and white as you say.

As another poster pointed out there is depreciation, which is just another way of saying less demand. This is to be expected with new more powerful models now available and perhaps an earlier release of the S5 than previously thought.

What ever the stock situation the price they are able to sell at is around £400. If the retailers could sell them at a higher price they would.

swordman · 24-10-2013, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

It is kinda funny the way you were al over this when it was Apple, but now seems to be confusing you.

Is this a wind up?

All over what, you are confused aren't you.

BKM · 24-10-2013, 17:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+.

Surely the original article answered that! Sales are "good" - but Samsung had budgeted for far better than this - and there is now a large oversupply of handsets

jabbamk1 · 24-10-2013, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+.

Because the phone has been out for a long time.... (oh and it's more around £100-£150)

Same happened with the S3 and S2 despite being the biggest selling android phones at the time.

It's simple depreciation.

swordman · 24-10-2013, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonner101

As another poster pointed out there is depreciation, which is just another way of saying less demand. This is to be expected with new more powerful models now available and perhaps an earlier release of the S5 than previously thought.

What ever the stock situation the price they are able to sell at is around £400. If the retailers could sell them at a higher price they would.

Exactly, there may well have been less demand at the retail price but as I have already pointed out the price I expect from samsung is less than at launch, as with all products.

Your point only works if we accept the price has remained constant from samsung resulting in lack of sales and over supply. Are you saying the launch price is still being charged by samsung to retailers?

Simple economies of scale should indicate this is highly unlikely.

IslandNiles · 24-10-2013, 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

All over what, you are confused aren't you.

Fairly obvious really. It's the way that in the other thread, you were jumping up and down about the idea of iPhone 5c units shipped to retailers counting as sales, but now you're happy to count shipped Galaxy S4 units as actual sales because "the phones have been bought by the retailer".

24-10-2013, 14:02	#1
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Samsung Galaxy S4 ships 40m in six months Samsung have announced that their flagship phone, Samsung Galaxy S4, has shipped over 40m units in the first 6 months since release. When compared to Galaxy S3 it took Samsung 8 months to reach the same total. The Galaxy S4 has been a huge success for Samsung and much better than the Galaxy S3. The S4 is Samsungs fastest selling handset to date. What people need to understand is that Samsung are disappointed with the fact the S4 hasn't done better. Not that the S4 has performed worse than the S3. http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/News/27...Galaxy_S4.aspx

24-10-2013, 14:21	#2
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	As I mentioned in another thread I think Samsung expected apple like sales for the s4, which perhaps was unrealistic given the number of phones they produce. Not bad numbers considering the level of the direct competition is better than it was for the s3.

24-10-2013, 14:23	#3
paulbrock Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wapping, London Posts: 16,222	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._mobile_phones for comparison..

24-10-2013, 14:29	#4
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by paulbrock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._mobile_phones for comparison.. Half of those numbers are made up. Worst sourced information i've ever seen!!!!!

24-10-2013, 15:07	#5
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Does make you wonder why it has suffered such large price reductions.

24-10-2013, 16:17	#6
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Does make you wonder why it has suffered such large price reductions. These are shipped figures not actual sales though. If there is more supply than demand then the price has to go down.

24-10-2013, 16:27	#7
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	You mean the exact bone of contention that cropped up in recent discussions about the iPhone suddenly isn't an issue anymore?

24-10-2013, 16:38	#8
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie You mean the exact bone of contention that cropped up in recent discussions about the iPhone suddenly isn't an issue anymore? The Samsung has been out 6 months. The S3 was sold at a lower price six months after release as well. As are pretty much all android phones. It's something called depreciation. The iPhone 5c saw a price drop after 2 weeks. That's not the same. Nor are shipped and sold the same. I seriously struggle to understand you sometimes. Then i remember you're an iPhone fanboy and it makes sense.

24-10-2013, 16:39	#10
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 These are shipped figures not actual sales though. If there is more supply than demand then the price has to go down. They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers.

24-10-2013, 16:40	#11
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers. Read Jonners post again. He's correct.

24-10-2013, 16:43	#12
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers. Are you for real, the OP said these are shipped sales. The retailers are the ones who are selling the units to the end user. You can easily buy a brand new unlocked S4 for around £400 which is much less than the official retail price which can only indicate there is more supply than demand.

24-10-2013, 16:44	#13
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 Read Jonners post again. He's correct. He is correct that they are shipped figures but items shipped are bought by retailers to sell, that is what samsung do (any phone company) sell into the retail chain. My point what what other figures should we be seeing, what else can samsung report?

24-10-2013, 16:50	#14
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 Are you for real, the OP said these are shipped sales. The retailers are the ones who are selling the units to the end user. You can easily buy a brand new unlocked S4 for around £400 which is much less than the official retail price which can only indicate there is more supply than demand. Shipped sales exactly and your point is what exactly? You have no evidence of over supply or lack of demand just your usual nonsense. Your analogy means everything reduced in price means over supply, is that what your claiming? Price reduction can stem from many things, market strategy, reduction in production costs etc. I could buy an s4 days after launch for less than the RRP, in fact I could buy almost anything for less than the retail price is that all the result of over supply

24-10-2013, 16:53	#15
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman He is correct that they are shipped figures but items shipped are bought by retailers to sell, that is what samsung do (any phone company) sell into the retail chain. My point what what other figures should we be seeing, what else can samsung report? I was trying to explain why there was a price drop. I'm not expecting any other figures, my comment is that you can buy an S4 for much less than the official retail hence there must be plenty of supply in the hands of retailers. That is all. If there was limited stock then the price would go up and be more in line with the official retail price 40 million shipped is an impressive figure nevertheless and puts into perspective the sales figures of something like the Nexus 4.

24-10-2013, 16:59	#16
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	No you were posting a fact, which I questioned. Price reduction does not automatically equate to over supply (therefore lack of sales) for the reasons I have pointed out. There are many many reasons a price reduction may be implemented and the very competitive nature of the android sector is without doubt one of them. The price reduction is a likely from Samsung as it is from a retail like fire sale from unsold handsets. However on the flip side I am not saying that it automatically does not equal that either, just simply there are variables to consider and I very much doubt it is as black and white as you say.

24-10-2013, 17:07	#17
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+.

24-10-2013, 17:08	#18
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman They are actual sales by samsung, these phones have been bought by retailers. It is kinda funny the way you were al over this when it was Apple, but now seems to be confusing you. Is this a wind up?

24-10-2013, 17:09	#20
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman No you were posting a fact, which I questioned. Price reduction does not automatically equate to over supply (therefore lack of sales) for the reasons I have pointed out. There are many many reasons a price reduction may be implemented and the very competitive nature of the android sector is without doubt one of them. The price reduction is a likely from Samsung as it is from a retail like fire sale from unsold handsets. However on the flip side I am not saying that it automatically does not equal that either, just simply there are variables to consider and I very much doubt it is as black and white as you say. As another poster pointed out there is depreciation, which is just another way of saying less demand. This is to be expected with new more powerful models now available and perhaps an earlier release of the S5 than previously thought. What ever the stock situation the price they are able to sell at is around £400. If the retailers could sell them at a higher price they would.

24-10-2013, 17:12	#21
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie It is kinda funny the way you were al over this when it was Apple, but now seems to be confusing you. Is this a wind up? All over what, you are confused aren't you.

24-10-2013, 17:13	#22
BKM Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,288	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+. Surely the original article answered that! Sales are "good" - but Samsung had budgeted for far better than this - and there is now a large oversupply of handsets

24-10-2013, 17:14	#23
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud This still leaves the question. If sales are so good, why is there such large discounts available? I'm not talking about £20-£30, we are talking £200+. Because the phone has been out for a long time.... (oh and it's more around £100-£150) Same happened with the S3 and S2 despite being the biggest selling android phones at the time. It's simple depreciation.

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24-10-2013, 17:16	#24
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by jonner101 As another poster pointed out there is depreciation, which is just another way of saying less demand. This is to be expected with new more powerful models now available and perhaps an earlier release of the S5 than previously thought. What ever the stock situation the price they are able to sell at is around £400. If the retailers could sell them at a higher price they would. Exactly, there may well have been less demand at the retail price but as I have already pointed out the price I expect from samsung is less than at launch, as with all products. Your point only works if we accept the price has remained constant from samsung resulting in lack of sales and over supply. Are you saying the launch price is still being charged by samsung to retailers? Simple economies of scale should indicate this is highly unlikely.

24-10-2013, 17:17	#25
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman All over what, you are confused aren't you. Fairly obvious really. It's the way that in the other thread, you were jumping up and down about the idea of iPhone 5c units shipped to retailers counting as sales, but now you're happy to count shipped Galaxy S4 units as actual sales because "the phones have been bought by the retailer".