[Zack06]

For those trying to draw comparisons with other launches, Samsung has not included sales of the S4 mini or any of the other S4 variants in these figures, as others have been doing.

[BKM]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Carphone Warehouse is offering the 32GB variant for the price of the 16GB, and Chinese networks had to reduce their subsidies because they were making losses, so it is largely true.

For Samsung, 40m in this time frame is success. Unlike other manufacturers, the figures are an increase on the sales of previously released models.

This is so full of total guesswork, rumour and supposition!

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by BKM

This is so full of total guesswork, rumour and supposition!

Where is the guesswork and rumour?

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mob...C_16GB/MONTHLY

Click on the link and "Get iPhone 5C 32GB for the same price as 16GB" is clearly visible in bold red text. It doesn't get more factual than that.

Then there are the reports from multiple sources about Chinese networks slashing their prices and losing profits on the 5C. Samsung is doing far better relative to their position in the market.

To be honest I don't care to discuss Apple in a Samsung thread, but don't accuse me of lying when the facts are all there.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Carphone Warehouse is offering the 32GB variant for the price of the 16GB, and Chinese networks had to reduce their subsidies because they were making losses, so it is largely true.

For Samsung, 40m in this time frame is success. Unlike other manufacturers, the figures are an increase on the sales of previously released models.

On a £37 tariff

Interesting definition of a price slash.

That's about the same reduction that the S4 and Note 3 got reduced on their day of release.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by BKM

Not true all Mr Troll!

Apple also clearly SAID "best iPhone launch yet"! It does not matter if it was units shipped or sold (but undoubtably shipped - as other phone makers) as they would have had to be consistent with their own measures from previous launches!

Not sure which part wasn't true.

And as far as I know they reported the same figures this year that they always report. Did they not?

[BKM]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Not sure which part wasn't true.

And as far as I know they reported the same figures this year that they always report. Did they not?

No! At their Autumn Event on Tuesday evening they (again!) said "9 million sold" - and had a slide saying this - then Tim Cook CLEALY said "our most successful iPhone launch to date"!!!

[calico_pie]

Which is the same as every other year.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Where is the guesswork and rumour?

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mob...C_16GB/MONTHLY

Click on the link and "Get iPhone 5C 32GB for the same price as 16GB" is clearly visible in bold red text. It doesn't get more factual than that.

Then there are the reports from multiple sources about Chinese networks slashing their prices and losing profits on the 5C. Samsung is doing far better relative to their position in the market.

To be honest I don't care to discuss Apple in a Samsung thread, but don't accuse me of lying when the facts are all there.

The facts are there, but your definition of "pretty much the whole world" seems a bit generous!

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

The facts are there, but your definition of "pretty much the whole world" seems a bit generous!

Two points. I never used that phrase, and I also said "largely true". It helps to keep up with the context of posts.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Slashed. Is that true?

Yes. Look at China, The middle east, the USA, India etc...
Look at the figures i posted on the other thread of UK networks sell through etc...

Look at this quote

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Brian Fung of the Washington Post called the iPhone 5c "officially a flop" because its "price has been slashed in retail stores worldwide — from Target to Best Buy to Wal-Mart and even in China — setting off speculation that the 5C just isn't selling like its more expensive sibling, the 5S."

Kuo, a trusted analyst who even apple fanboys quote daily said-

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Kuo said that retailers are slashing the price of the 5c to move the product. Among other retailers, Walmart and Best Buy have already discounted the smartphone's subsidized price to $50 or less.

Bear in mind i'm not saying the iPhone 5c is a flop. I'm saying that prices have been slashed worldwide within the first 2 weeks-1 month.

Go and google "iPhone 5c prices slashed" and you'll see that slashed is not my word. But the words of Analysts, reporters and retailers worldwide.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Yes. Look at China, The middle east, the USA, India etc...
Look at the figures i posted on the other thread of UK networks sell through etc...

Look at this quote


Kuo, a trusted analyst who even apple fanboys quote daily said-


Bear in mind i'm not saying the iPhone 5c is a flop. I'm saying that prices have been slashed worldwide within the first 2 weeks-1 month.

Go and google "iPhone 5c prices slashed" and you'll see that slashed is not my word. But the words of Analysts, reporters and retailers worldwide.

That's all very interesting, but I was really only after what you meant by slashed. I was hoping I might be able to go into a shop and buy one at £200 off. Seems I might have to wait a while yet.

[jonner101]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Yes. Look at China, The middle east, the USA, India etc...
Look at the figures i posted on the other thread of UK networks sell through etc...

Look at this quote


Kuo, a trusted analyst who even apple fanboys quote daily said-


Bear in mind i'm not saying the iPhone 5c is a flop. I'm saying that prices have been slashed worldwide within the first 2 weeks-1 month.

Go and google "iPhone 5c prices slashed" and you'll see that slashed is not my word. But the words of Analysts, reporters and retailers worldwide.

I managed to get an unlocked gold 5s in store yesterday on the way to work, as the stock is coming through now, or they got a good shipment in that day.

Even at 9am the Apple store was packed EXCEPT the 5c section which was conspicuous by it's emptiness.

No one is interested in the 5c. Period. Even the Apple fans I know can't understand what the reasoning is behind the 5c.

Also if you see one in the flesh the colours are unbelievably garish.

Having said this comparing the S4 and 5c is Apples and Oranges as they are not like for like products. I think the 5c will be quietly dropped when the next iPhone release comes around.

The S4 price is down because there is probably still plenty of stock and the perceived value and thus demand is down because of where it is in the life cycle as there are already more powerful Android handsets available.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

That's all very interesting, but I was really only after what you meant by slashed.

So why are you still complaining? And why are you trying to draw comparisons between the S4 and iPhone 5C when they clearly don't exist. I explained exactly what i meant by slashed.

Not my fault you were thinking of something else.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

So why are you still complaining? I explained exactly what i meant by slashed.

Not my fault you were thinking of something else.

I'm not complaining, and not sure what you think I'm complaining about

Yes, you have now explained what you meant. Using that definition it would be hard to find a phone that hadn't had its price slashed

[Anika Hanson]

That's impressive.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

IUsing that definition it would be hard to find a phone that hadn't had its price slashed

That's exactly what i mean!!!!!

You're just as bad as calico. You can't seem to understand that the iPhone 5C is different to all other apple products. It is doing terribly. Really bad. It is the only iPhone ever to lose value in the first month. Even compared to non iPhone products it's selling through really bad and has had prices slashed across the board. No, it is not similar to other phones. No the Samsung S4 being £150 cheaper after 6 months is not the same as the iPhone 5C getting price drops after two weeks.

What you fail to understand is the iPhone 5C is not selling well for retailers.

Please show my a single phone that had it's prices slashed worldwide after 2 weeks, has analysts saying it's the worst phone launch, production cut and all retailers saying sales are terrible. I can guarantee the iPhone 5C is the only one you'll find. And want to know why, because it's an apple product that was expected to sell.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

That's exactly what i mean!!!!!

You're just as bad as calico. You can't seem to understand that the iPhone 5C is different to all other apple products. It is doing terribly. Really bad. It is the only iPhone ever to lose value in the first month. Even compared to non iPhone products it's selling through really bad and has had prices slashed across the board. No, it is not similar to other phones. No the Samsung S4 being £150 cheaper after 6 months is not the same as the iPhone 5C getting price drops after two weeks.

What you fail to understand is the iPhone 5C is not selling well for retailers.

Please show my a single phone that had it's prices slashed worldwide after 2 weeks, has analysts saying it's the worst phone launch, production cut and all retailers saying sales are terrible. I can guarantee the iPhone 5C is the only one you'll find. And want to know why, because it's an apple product that was expected to sell.

What I don't think you understand is that I don't care whether the 5c sells or not. I'm not going to buy one and it doesn't effect me if anyone else does or not.

However, once again you have used the words 'price slashed' but then the examples you have given is show reductions of around $50 to $100 (that is about £60) when it is bought on contract. The S4 had a price drop on launch day and has continued to drop since.

Quite frankly, if apple are that worried, they should drop the price as far as they have to, I'm sure there is plenty of margin in the price,

What is more interesting to me, in this thread about the S4 is why the need to slash the price of a premium flagship phone which is selling so well. That can't be good for owners who want decent resell values, and seems to devalue the brand for no reason.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

What I don't think you understand is that I don't care whether the 5c sells or not. I'm not going to buy one and it doesn't effect me if anyone else does or not.

However, once again you have used the words 'price slashed' but then the examples you have given is show reductions of around $50 to $100 (that is about £60) when it is bought on contract. The S4 had a price drop on launch day and has continued to drop since.

Quite frankly, if apple are that worried, they should drop the price as far as they have to, I'm sure there is plenty of margin in the price,

What is more interesting to me, in this thread about the S4 is why the need to slash the price of a premium flagship phone which is selling so well. That can't be good for owners who want decent resell values, and seems to devalue the brand for no reason.

Oh my gosh! You are so deluded it's unreal.

First, i am not using the word slashed. I am quoting analysts, retailers and reporters. I gave no actual pricing examples, please don't make up stuff i've said.

Second, The S4 did not have a price drop on launch day. That is untrue. RRP was originally £579. Please prove this drop in price.

Third, Apple won't be worried too much, iPhone 5S is doing great. But they need a future plan for 5C.

Fourth, where has the S4 seen a huge price slash? It's simple depreciation, the price has fallen steadily over time. There has been no price drop, no retailer slashing prices. Amazon are selling it for more than all other competitor smartphones and for more than what the S3 was selling for after six months as well.

You're a deluded fanboy who can't see reason.

[swordman]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

What I don't think you understand is that I don't care whether the 5c sells or not. I'm not going to buy one and it doesn't effect me if anyone else does or not.

However, once again you have used the words 'price slashed' but then the examples you have given is show reductions of around $50 to $100 (that is about £60) when it is bought on contract. The S4 had a price drop on launch day and has continued to drop since.

Quite frankly, if apple are that worried, they should drop the price as far as they have to, I'm sure there is plenty of margin in the price,

What is more interesting to me, in this thread about the S4 is why the need to slash the price of a premium flagship phone which is selling so well. That can't be good for owners who want decent resell values, and seems to devalue the brand for no reason.

You and calico are so similar it is untrue, you will argue and debate the most ludicrously small and pedantic points even when it has been shown none exist.

It is as if accepting some facts about Samsung mean you are betraying apple, bemusing.

[Zack06]

It's worth noting that Android devices tend to retail for just as much as other products on the market at launch, but depreciate faster due to the speed of upgrade cycles within the Android ecosystem and the number of competitive devices. Other products have no competition save for themselves in their particular ecosystem, where Android has various OEMs, so the need to refresh is more apparent.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

You and calico are so similar it is untrue, you will argue and debate the most ludicrously small and pedantic points even when it has been shown none exist.

It is as if accepting some facts about Samsung mean you are betraying apple, bemusing.

Thanks for your usual level of input. Best you go back to hanging onto the marketing mans word. It's served you so well

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Quite frankly, if apple are that worried, they should drop the price as far as they have to, I'm sure there is plenty of margin in the price,

This will not happen until they are backed into a corner. The whole reason the 5C even exists is because Apple tried to bag themselves a bigger profit margin over the 5, but it massively backfired. A price cut would just be confirmation from Apple themselves that it has been a disaster.

Samsung have done some pretty impressive numbers with the S4, it certainly puts to bed all the talk of the S4 "struggling". The Galaxy S series along with the HTC Desire series and Moto Droid in the US have been some of the biggest Android success stories.

But where the other two have since dropped the ball, Samsung has managed consistent success with every release selling more than the last. I would say that this is a strong indicator of their continued success and it certainly is impressive that they've managed to maintain that in such a competitive environment.

[The Lord Lucan]

I thought Apple and it's main supplied networks i.e. Verizon, AT&T etc reported 'activated' iPhones…. They may have changed that lately but the main networks still specifically say activated as that is the only true way for share holders to know how many shipped to/sold and as Apple gives them a minimum order value they could have tonnes of paid for iPhones in a warehouse unsold…(unlikely currently but in say 6-9 months) so they always report activated. However it is not so clear what Apple report it as now as i've seen activated, sold, shipped, shipping, moved etc all used in Apple press releases. Which is very likely deliberate.

As for Samsung i'm not their biggest fan but i don't think the price cuts are related to sales too much.. more the threat of losing sales and in the UK more what the networks are doing to undercut each other right now due the 4G war. Samsung has to cut prices fairly consistently world wide and is under pressure in the region that includes China due to Apple being fairly fresh and new there plus it is targeting all of it's might in that area so naturally samsung is trimming prices in that region and if they slash prices there they have to do it world wide generally.

China is huge for both of them and Samsung are not smelling of roses over there right now due to a few recent PR fails.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Where have i ever said 9 million shipped isn't impressive? It's very impressive. What i'm talking about in the other thread is how retailers are having very low sell through to end consumers and how all retailers worldwide are unable to shift the units they have. Hence why prices have been slashed worldwide.

I thought you would have understood that?

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Oh my gosh! You are so deluded it's unreal.

First, i am not using the word slashed. I am quoting analysts, retailers and reporters. I gave no actual pricing examples, please don't make up stuff i've said.

Second, The S4 did not have a price drop on launch day. That is untrue. RRP was originally £579. Please prove this drop in price.

Third, Apple won't be worried too much, iPhone 5S is doing great. But they need a future plan for 5C.

Fourth, where has the S4 seen a huge price slash? It's simple depreciation, the price has fallen steadily over time. There has been no price drop, no retailer slashing prices. Amazon are selling it for more than all other competitor smartphones and for more than what the S3 was selling for after six months as well.

You're a deluded fanboy who can't see reason.

I must have imagined that you used the word

The rrp was £600.

It isn't simple depreciation. For a 5 month old premium flagship phone it is excessive and does nothing for its current owners (Maybe samsung don't care)

And as for the usual stupid fanboy comment. I own a galaxy ace 2 and an iPad mini, I bought my child galaxy s3 mini. I must either be the worse fanboy there is, or your just deluded and cannot see reason.

[swordman]

No you and CP are founding members of the ADL, every time you try to make this S4 price slash case just makes you look more and more dozy.

But if it makes you a happy fanboy, Samsung have been forced to slash the price of the best selling android phone ever