[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

This will not happen until they are backed into a corner. The whole reason the 5C even exists is because Apple tried to bag themselves a bigger profit margin over the 5, but it massively backfired. A price cut would just be confirmation from Apple themselves that it has been a disaster.

From what I've read, the 5s achieves significant margins, so I'm not even sure I understand the need for apple to release the 5c. They could of just released the 5s and had that and the 4s.

I fully expect apple to cut the price of the 5c, especially in markets where price is more important.

Not sure why apple dropping the price would be seen as a failure, it seems to be fine for HTC or Samsung.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

No you and CP are founding members of the ADL, every time you try to make this S4 price slash case just makes you look more and more dozy.

But if it makes you a happy fanboy, Samsung have been forced to slash the price of the best selling android phone ever

Oh, the ADL. I noticed you latched onto the phase when one of your friends on the forum used it.

I know you like little sound bites like that. So weak minded

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

From what I've read, the 5s achieves significant margins, so I'm not even sure I understand the need for apple to release the 5c. They could of just released the 5s and had that and the 4s.

I fully expect apple to cut the price of the 5c, especially in markets where price is more important.

Not sure why apple dropping the price would be seen as a failure, it seems to be fine for HTC or Samsung.

If the device is selling well and the price is dropped, it's not quite the same thing as dropping the price because the device is not selling at all.

The Galaxy S5 is not far off now either, so the S4 will see another price cut to boost the numbers. It will be interesting to see how well the S5 performs in its first few months of release. If the trends are anything to go by, Samsung will have another hit on their hands.

[swordman]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Oh, the ADL. I noticed you latched onto the phase when one of your friends on the forum used it.
I know you like little sound bites like that. So weak minded

Sums you two up perfectly.

You may wish to revisit this thread when your apple frenzy has subsided and consider what nonsense your spouting, may stand you in good stead for the future.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I must have imagined that you used the word

The rrp was £600.

It isn't simple depreciation. For a 5 month old premium flagship phone it is excessive and does nothing for its current owners (Maybe samsung don't care)

And as for the usual stupid fanboy comment. I own a galaxy ace 2 and an iPad mini, I bought my child galaxy s3 mini. I must either be the worse fanboy there is, or your just deluded and cannot see reason.

You know what i mean by saying i'm just repeating what analysts are saying. They are the ones saying slashed, i'm putting that word here because thats what they are saying.

And yes it is simple depreciation. Where are the reports that Samsung S4 is selling terribly and retailers are not selling it and that they have to cut the price to sell more?

These articles don't exist because they are not true for the S4. They do exist for the iPhone 5C because this is whats happening for the 5C. Please stop trying to pass of the S4 as a failure phone that has had prices slashed left right and centre. it is the best selling android phone worldwide by far. It doesn't need a price drop to sell more. The price has fallen through depreciation alone just like the S, S2 and S3 did.

It's still higher priced than all other android competitors in the same timeframe.

How you keep comparing the 5C to the S4 shows how stupid you actually are.

[Zack06]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

You know what i mean by saying i'm just repeating what analysts are saying. They are the ones saying slashed, i'm putting that word here because thats what they are saying.

And yes it is simple depreciation. Where are the reports that Samsung S4 is selling terribly and retailers are not selling it and that they have to cut the price to sell more?

These articles don't exist because they are not true for the S4. They do exist for the iPhone 5C because this is whats happening for the 5C. Please stop trying to pass of the S4 as a failure phone that has had prices slashed left right and centre. it is the best selling android phone worldwide by far. It doesn't need a price drop to sell more. The price has fallen through depreciation alone just like the S, S2 and S3 did.

It's still higher priced than all other android competitors in the same timeframe.

How you keep comparing the 5C to the S4 shows how stupid you actually are.

Indeed. The S4 is in a class of its own when it comes to Android device performance. HTC has not seen anywhere near as much success with the One, and Sony hasn't really either. LG has done decently thanks to the Nexus 4, but Samsung is by far and away the runaway success.

Putting the S4 against the 5C is a farcical comparison, there is just no logic to it. The 5C is a failure which nobody is interested in and the S4 is the most successful Android device yet. It's night and day. Once again people are clutching at straws to devalue the success Samsung is seeing with the S4. And yet people have the audacity to claim that Apple gets all the hate.

[drivel]

I just simply does not believe that number

[swordman]

With members of the ADL on here logic is an after thought.

[The Lord Lucan]

Regarding comments about the 5C.. it will be interesting after todays (and on Nov 1st) second wave of countries.

Those who may find it more appealing than our market currently does. It is likely the recent price reduction world wide is to take into account these new markets.

[The Lord Lucan]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Where are the reports that Samsung S4 is selling terribly and retailers are not selling it and that they have to cut the price to sell more?

These articles don't exist because they are not true for the S4. They do exist for the iPhone 5C because this is whats happening for the 5C.

How you keep comparing the 5C to the S4 shows how stupid you actually are.

Because the S4 isn't selling terribly, maybe slower than Samsung expected but far from bad, terrible or a failure. The competition is stronger overall (although not at the same level) so that is one factor and as i said the perceived threat of losing Chinese sales is another.

The 5C is only selling less than analysts think it should… Doubtful Apple think it is doing dreadfully, badly or is a fail. It has not even been launched in the markets until today and next week where it could be a winner.

I doubt Apple, just like everyone here thought the 5C was going to see the same demand as the 5S is/was/will.

None of these companies are Daft.. they know their market. They are the two of the best at judging it and as Tim Cook said no analyst should assume anything from a small part of the supply chain. Apple often over order to get cheaper prices, better logistic options and to guarantee parts availability to freeze out the others. It's why they all space the launches out.
the iPad started production around the same time analysts said there was a 5C reduction so there is also another hint to why..
The 5C has also been in full production several weeks longer than the 5S.. so naturally it was going to have bigger stock levels anyways.

My views on the S4's sales are shared in the media.. although i'd never say they were bad.
http://www.ibtimes.com/samsung-galax...e-amid-slowing

http://www.androidauthority.com/why-...-sales-237524/

I'm also willing to bet that across the Galaxy range sales are still strong.. maybe not as Strong as analysts wanted/predicted but i'm sure Samsung are not worrying too much.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

You know what i mean by saying i'm just repeating what analysts are saying. They are the ones saying slashed, i'm putting that word here because thats what they are saying.

And yes it is simple depreciation. Where are the reports that Samsung S4 is selling terribly and retailers are not selling it and that they have to cut the price to sell more?

These articles don't exist because they are not true for the S4. They do exist for the iPhone 5C because this is whats happening for the 5C. Please stop trying to pass of the S4 as a failure phone that has had prices slashed left right and centre. it is the best selling android phone worldwide by far. It doesn't need a price drop to sell more. The price has fallen through depreciation alone just like the S, S2 and S3 did.

It's still higher priced than all other android competitors in the same timeframe.

How you keep comparing the 5C to the S4 shows how stupid you actually are.

I sometimes wonder if people actually read the thread. I've not compares the S4 and 5c sales. Once again, I have no interest in 5c sales and I have been talking about the s4 sales being good, along with wondering why there is such a server drop in the price.

I think some on here are obsessed with having an argument over something not even being discussed.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

With members of the ADL on here logic is an after thought.

Keep using your sound bite, I'm sure your hoping that like you, others will fall for it.

You are a marketing mans dream

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Oh, the ADL. I noticed you latched onto the phase when one of your friends on the forum used it.

I know you like little sound bites like that. So weak minded

Well you do the same, so you're no one to speak!!

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Originally Posted by kidspud

The rrp was £600.

Yes, the RRP may have been £600, but thats only a recommended price. Also for example, the xbox one and PS4 had higher RRP prices and they have now dropped before launch. Same happened with the xbox360 and PS3.

Happens all the time.

The S4 price drop is about normal i would say. I bought a new telly a few months back at about £1.2k. Its now £799 to buy new. The BD player i bought at £200 is now £99 It's only apple who don't drop prices as the months go on. All phones, tellys, laptops etc drop in price.

[swordman]

No no nothing drops in price ever, just the s4 this is why KS finds it so hard to fathom. It is so bemusing that the best selling android phone ever could drop in price, truly mystifying.

What he won't do however is give his opinion on why it is dropping in price. Fear of revealing himself as a dummy and truly Clueless means he can only comment how strange this phenomenon is.

This is the KS MO, pedantic point making, questioning and doubting comments but never actually giving a view. This way he can claim "was only commenting" when he realises be is painting himself into a corner.

[alanwarwic]

40 million 'sold' or 'stuck on shop shelves' ?
I'm quite losing track of the meaning of that word.


And obviously the S5 has sold 9.1 million in minus 209 days.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by swordman

No no nothing drops in price ever, just the s4 this is why KS finds it so hard to fathom. It is so bemusing that the best selling android phone ever could drop in price, truly mystifying.

What he won't do however is give his opinion on why it is dropping in price. Fear of revealing himself as a dummy and truly Clueless means he can only comment how strange this phenomenon is.

This is the KS MO, pedantic point making, questioning and doubting comments but never actually giving a view. This way he can claim "was only commenting" when he realises be is painting himself into a corner.

Don't ever think I ask a question because I'm interested in your view. I was hoping there might be views from those who are interested in how the market works and what drives the price.

Instead I get the normal from you, either insults where you try and judge others, which it just laughable, or name calling which puts you right in the 9-14 age bracket.

You stick to what you do best.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

The S4 price drop is about normal i would say. I bought a new telly a few months back at about £1.2k. Its now £799 to buy new. The BD player i bought at £200 is now £99 It's only apple who don't drop prices as the months go on. All phones, tellys, laptops etc drop in price.

I would sort if agree with that except that we are talking about a premium flagship device which is only 5 months old and is selling well.

I understand devices coming down when there is a replacement provided but I do wonder if the price cuts seen on the S4 are needed. As I've said, it undermines the resale value and to me damages the 'premium' image that we know Samsung would like to gain.

I find it an interesting marketing strategy.

[swordman]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

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You stick to what you do best.

Are you well you have been told several times, doesn't seem to have altered your posts in any way. You are still bemused by this huge drop from the retail price and clearly state it is not depreciation. Perhaps tell everyone exactly what the reason is for these huge price drops.

You are very very transparent

[paulbrock]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24665480
Samsung profit rises 26% on smartphone boost

[swordman]

Seems their marketing strategy is working just fine and profits soaring even with these huge price cuts, some people are truly laughable

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Zack06

Two points. I never used that phrase, and I also said "largely true". It helps to keep up with the context of posts.

Sorry - I took "pretty much" to mean the same as "largely".

My bad.

[kidspud]

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Originally Posted by paulbrock

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24665480
Samsung profit rises 26% on smartphone boost

Good results from chip manufacturing too.

[jonner101]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

Good results from chip manufacturing too.

Yes to the Apple haters it's quite funny that Samsung's profits actually increase when they sell a lot of iPhones as well since Apple use Samsung to manufacture a lot of their processors.

[swordman]

Any port in a storm

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by kidspud

.. As I've said, it undermines the resale value .

...

That always shouts out as 'settle for 2nd best'. Even more puzzling is that you are paying £150+ more for the cheapest made phone.