The answer the Op's Question the answer is never. I prefer Android to iOS and as for the Iphone 5S having 64 bit, it sounds to me to be a bit gimmicky.
When will people ditch Android? Nokia on the way out and Blackberry next? Apple wins
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Samsung touch screens are dreadful, slow, unresponsive and just awful to use. The only thing i like about android is that you are not limited to do anything like you are with apple.
Originally Posted by DANCE OF DEATH:
“The answer the Op's Question the answer is never. I prefer Android to iOS and as for the Iphone 5S having 64 bit, it sounds to me to be a bit gimmicky.”
“The answer the Op's Question the answer is never. I prefer Android to iOS and as for the Iphone 5S having 64 bit, it sounds to me to be a bit gimmicky.”
I read somewhere Samsung is readying their own 64bit processor. That's how it works nowadays, you do not explain customers that something does not bring much. You come with similar and say yours is better.
Android will always have a market, the people who refuse to buy apple because:-
a)they are too expensive
b)are not customisable enough
c)they hate apple
d)they do not have 50" screens.
a)they are too expensive
b)are not customisable enough
c)they hate apple
d)they do not have 50" screens.
Originally Posted by DANCE OF DEATH:
“The answer the Op's Question the answer is never. I prefer Android to iOS and as for the Iphone 5S having 64 bit, it sounds to me to be a bit gimmicky.”
“The answer the Op's Question the answer is never. I prefer Android to iOS and as for the Iphone 5S having 64 bit, it sounds to me to be a bit gimmicky.”
I agree, we'd all be far better off sticking with 8 bit systems. I rather miss waiting a few hours for a game to load on my spectrum.
I think interesting times are ahead with both Linux and Mozilla launching operating systems for phones.
I had a iphone5 and hated it my Haweui y300 is better than it , that's just my personal preference though.
I had a iphone5 and hated it my Haweui y300 is better than it , that's just my personal preference though.
Apple's business model a premium device for everybody only works when there's no competition offering similar quality for competitive prices. That's why Jobs wanted to destroy Android. That's why manufacturers try their own smartwatch. They want to be there first and sell for outrageous prices.
Originally Posted by jwball:
“Android will always have a market, the people who refuse to buy apple because:-
a)they are too expensive
b)are not customisable enough
c)they hate apple
d)they do not have 50" screens.”
“Android will always have a market, the people who refuse to buy apple because:-
a)they are too expensive
b)are not customisable enough
c)they hate apple
d)they do not have 50" screens.”
And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
all phones that are not apple are poor quality?
by what metric?
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
What, you mean build quality? If by quality you mean "easily shatters", then yes, they're fine.
I've had a 4S for a year. Still trying to work out whats so wonderful about the product line. Hateful on-screen keyboard, iOS 7 has turned what was a reliable product into something that regularly needs reboots. And Safari is generally mildly irritating.
I'd be interested what your argument is for iOS being a better all round environment than Android. Interface differences are down to personal preference, app stores are pretty much equal on both.
Android has the advantage of being available for a much wider range of budgets.
Although I do admit to generally liking the way iOS handles podcasts (although the podcasting client is still a little clunky to use).
We've been here before.
Apple have traditionally been key innovators and getting a desirable innovative product out as the first standout example of its genre is what they do.
Although not strictly the first, the Apple Lisa and Macintosh were the first commercially successful GUI based personal computers. At a price. Along came Microsoft who did it cheaper (helped by no hardware tie-in and thereby competition) and Apple were left to focus on a niche market.
This repeated itself with the iPod. A revolutionary interface and great design brought the music player to the attention of the masses but soon competitors did it cheaper with less control over content and hardware. Apple did better here keeoing decent market share but the advent of the smartphone meant the dedicated music player market stalled a bit.
So on to the iPhone. Again, not the first but the UI was simple, the design was good and smartphones were suddenly an accessory rather than an uber phone for geeks.
However, as with the Mac, competitors saw an opportunity to do it cheaper and slowly eroded Apple's massive market share. An open source OS like Android suddenly gave the consumer far more control over their user experience as did choice of hardware. Five years on and Android has improved massively as has the hardware. The evolution of iOS and the iPhome hardware hasn't been at quite the same pace, especially iOS, and the price has remained high.
I don't think Apple will wrestle market share back as their business model seems to be to innovate and then stick rigidly to a premium pricing strategy irrespective of the competition. While this pays the bills, Apple will be happy.
Fantasy time - if Apple reverted to hardware only and bought out a 5" Android based smartphone in an iPhone case they'd sell in huge numbers. Design and simplicity is slowly becoming Apple's only remaining key selling points for the iPhone and other smartphone markets are catching up.
It's not a question of what we'll do next it's what Apple will do next.
Apple have traditionally been key innovators and getting a desirable innovative product out as the first standout example of its genre is what they do.
Although not strictly the first, the Apple Lisa and Macintosh were the first commercially successful GUI based personal computers. At a price. Along came Microsoft who did it cheaper (helped by no hardware tie-in and thereby competition) and Apple were left to focus on a niche market.
This repeated itself with the iPod. A revolutionary interface and great design brought the music player to the attention of the masses but soon competitors did it cheaper with less control over content and hardware. Apple did better here keeoing decent market share but the advent of the smartphone meant the dedicated music player market stalled a bit.
So on to the iPhone. Again, not the first but the UI was simple, the design was good and smartphones were suddenly an accessory rather than an uber phone for geeks.
However, as with the Mac, competitors saw an opportunity to do it cheaper and slowly eroded Apple's massive market share. An open source OS like Android suddenly gave the consumer far more control over their user experience as did choice of hardware. Five years on and Android has improved massively as has the hardware. The evolution of iOS and the iPhome hardware hasn't been at quite the same pace, especially iOS, and the price has remained high.
I don't think Apple will wrestle market share back as their business model seems to be to innovate and then stick rigidly to a premium pricing strategy irrespective of the competition. While this pays the bills, Apple will be happy.
Fantasy time - if Apple reverted to hardware only and bought out a 5" Android based smartphone in an iPhone case they'd sell in huge numbers. Design and simplicity is slowly becoming Apple's only remaining key selling points for the iPhone and other smartphone markets are catching up.
It's not a question of what we'll do next it's what Apple will do next.
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“It's a clear choice between Samsung and Apple now. Like I said elsewhere Android was only created as a platform to challenge Apple with software and the app store. The ech system is crap. Mid range Android phones are woful, top end phones are Apple priced with screens fit for a tablet not a pocket.
I firmly believe if more people tried the Iphone 5S and it was free on a contract they would see it was better and it would be the world's leading smartphone. Apple has defined the MP3 player market, The tablet market is defined by Apple too. If only people could see the Iphone 5S is the best 64-bit phone well above anything else. Iphone's camera is the most popular with bloggers as it is the best. The software updates are regular and IOS7 has something for everybody these days.
Personal experience here I ditched my Iphone earlier in the year when I had the Iphone 5 as at first glance IOS7 looked poor but it's actually better in person. What I found was the Sony phone I got was slow, apps were strange prices on the app store, it crashed a lot, Android had a lot of waffle like anti virus and junk apps installed. Screen wasn't anything like responsive as Apple. I admit it's slightly sharper on the S4 but where go I go on build quality and call quality utter junk. There's not one decent Android phone.
S5 will be predictable copy apple with 64 bit and will have a 25 mega pixel camera and 6" screen and the S6 will be a 7" screen until they start calling them Android tablet phones.
I don't know why Blackberry gets as much stick though the build quality of there new smart phones beats Samsung and they are trying to build a new OS away from Android. But hey maybe they were too late on the market.
Once Iphone maybe caters for people wanting that slightly larger screen Iphone Maxi or Ipad Pro in the future it will blow anything else away. Not that bigger screens are better as they are not but I am confident Apple will stick to the 5S design for the majority and offer that "niche" to porach Android buyers away.
Android's days are numbered. The question is what will they name there next OS? Crunchie since the last one was a Kitkat?
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“It's a clear choice between Samsung and Apple now. Like I said elsewhere Android was only created as a platform to challenge Apple with software and the app store. The ech system is crap. Mid range Android phones are woful, top end phones are Apple priced with screens fit for a tablet not a pocket.
I firmly believe if more people tried the Iphone 5S and it was free on a contract they would see it was better and it would be the world's leading smartphone. Apple has defined the MP3 player market, The tablet market is defined by Apple too. If only people could see the Iphone 5S is the best 64-bit phone well above anything else. Iphone's camera is the most popular with bloggers as it is the best. The software updates are regular and IOS7 has something for everybody these days.
Personal experience here I ditched my Iphone earlier in the year when I had the Iphone 5 as at first glance IOS7 looked poor but it's actually better in person. What I found was the Sony phone I got was slow, apps were strange prices on the app store, it crashed a lot, Android had a lot of waffle like anti virus and junk apps installed. Screen wasn't anything like responsive as Apple. I admit it's slightly sharper on the S4 but where go I go on build quality and call quality utter junk. There's not one decent Android phone.
S5 will be predictable copy apple with 64 bit and will have a 25 mega pixel camera and 6" screen and the S6 will be a 7" screen until they start calling them Android tablet phones.
I don't know why Blackberry gets as much stick though the build quality of there new smart phones beats Samsung and they are trying to build a new OS away from Android. But hey maybe they were too late on the market.
Once Iphone maybe caters for people wanting that slightly larger screen Iphone Maxi or Ipad Pro in the future it will blow anything else away. Not that bigger screens are better as they are not but I am confident Apple will stick to the 5S design for the majority and offer that "niche" to porach Android buyers away.
Android's days are numbered. The question is what will they name there next OS? Crunchie since the last one was a Kitkat?
”
Wow fanboy alert. Op you are delusional.
I have an iPhone 5 but had android for years before and liked it.
You need to grow up.
Originally Posted by clonmult:
“What, you mean build quality? If by quality you mean "easily shatters", then yes, they're fine.
I've had a 4S for a year. Still trying to work out whats so wonderful about the product line. Hateful on-screen keyboard, iOS 7 has turned what was a reliable product into something that regularly needs reboots. And Safari is generally mildly irritating.
I'd be interested what your argument is for iOS being a better all round environment than Android. Interface differences are down to personal preference, app stores are pretty much equal on both.
Android has the advantage of being available for a much wider range of budgets.
Although I do admit to generally liking the way iOS handles podcasts (although the podcasting client is still a little clunky to use).”
“What, you mean build quality? If by quality you mean "easily shatters", then yes, they're fine.
I've had a 4S for a year. Still trying to work out whats so wonderful about the product line. Hateful on-screen keyboard, iOS 7 has turned what was a reliable product into something that regularly needs reboots. And Safari is generally mildly irritating.
I'd be interested what your argument is for iOS being a better all round environment than Android. Interface differences are down to personal preference, app stores are pretty much equal on both.
Android has the advantage of being available for a much wider range of budgets.
Although I do admit to generally liking the way iOS handles podcasts (although the podcasting client is still a little clunky to use).”
I've had an iPhone since the original and never had one shatter yet. Currently using an iPhone 5 with no issues whatsoever, I did try a Nexus 4 which didn't impress me much battery life was very poor.
Apples os looks dated and whenever a new iPhone is released it looks just like the previous one.
Android will always be the better os
Android will always be the better os
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
Of course
Ask HTC One, Sony Xperia Z1, LG G2 and Oppo Find 5 owners whether their phones feel or act cheap. And there are many others. If Samsung finally bow to the critics and eventually build a device out of more premium materials (potentially the Samsung F?) then Apple may be deafened by the stampede as more iPhone owners migrate.
Justify paying way too much for a closed shop device however you like but coming out with tired cliches like that make you sound a bit uneducated.
Apple can't afford to be as complacent and arrogant as you appear to be.
The OP is way to funny to put on ignore, how else could I realise that there are actually people as ignorant and ill-informed as them around?
Mark
Mark
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“We've been here before.
Apple have traditionally been key innovators and getting a desirable innovative product out as the first standout example of its genre is what they do.
Although not strictly the first, the Apple Lisa and Macintosh were the first commercially successful GUI based personal computers. At a price. Along came Microsoft who did it cheaper (helped by no hardware tie-in and thereby competition) and Apple were left to focus on a niche market.
This repeated itself with the iPod. A revolutionary interface and great design brought the music player to the attention of the masses but soon competitors did it cheaper with less control over content and hardware. Apple did better here keeoing decent market share but the advent of the smartphone meant the dedicated music player market stalled a bit.
So on to the iPhone. Again, not the first but the UI was simple, the design was good and smartphones were suddenly an accessory rather than an uber phone for geeks.
”
“We've been here before.
Apple have traditionally been key innovators and getting a desirable innovative product out as the first standout example of its genre is what they do.
Although not strictly the first, the Apple Lisa and Macintosh were the first commercially successful GUI based personal computers. At a price. Along came Microsoft who did it cheaper (helped by no hardware tie-in and thereby competition) and Apple were left to focus on a niche market.
This repeated itself with the iPod. A revolutionary interface and great design brought the music player to the attention of the masses but soon competitors did it cheaper with less control over content and hardware. Apple did better here keeoing decent market share but the advent of the smartphone meant the dedicated music player market stalled a bit.
So on to the iPhone. Again, not the first but the UI was simple, the design was good and smartphones were suddenly an accessory rather than an uber phone for geeks.
”
When did Apple last genuinely innovate, rather than just buy some others companies tech and refine it (ie. let others do the hard work)? Probably the Newton (which was pretty darned funky).
The iPod was a couple of years after other devices, so Apple had a chance to learn from the mistakes of others.
Apple are excellent on industrial design, and have by far and away the best marketing in the industry. These are the main reasons behind their success.
As for mentioning "Apple" and "less control over content" in the same sentence, please don't make me laugh. They really only want you to buy content from their own controlled sources.
And the iPhone is still more of a fashion accessory ....
Originally Posted by linkinpark875:
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
“And they get a poor product if they don't.
You get what you pay for apple has the quality.”
Hang on you started an Apple hate thread and slagged off ios 7 and talked about ditching iPhone and now you're praising Apple again.
Originally Posted by Rossby41:
“I much prefer the openness of Android. You can make it look near enough how you want it to.
My current phone (HTC Desire X), is equivalent to a iPhone 4 spec wise, but I get a better deal with my phone. Also I'm not the greatest fan of iTunes.”
“I much prefer the openness of Android. You can make it look near enough how you want it to.
My current phone (HTC Desire X), is equivalent to a iPhone 4 spec wise, but I get a better deal with my phone. Also I'm not the greatest fan of iTunes.”
The thing is that the openness is both Androids strength but also its Achilles heel. The OS has to be more bloated than it needs to be as it has to be extendable to support both the wide array of hardware differences currently on the marketplace and also the wide array of different hardware additions in future.
The OS is also obviously not tailored for the hardware and often needs custom additions to use the hardwares big selling point.
This makes it less efficient and actually needs more hardware grunt to be as slick in use as a closed system. Due to this some of the hardware that isn't at the top end of the android market really isn't fit for purpose and damages Android. And its not just in the phone market, we see more and more devices especially cheap devices running android most of which may work but don't really produce a user experience that really sells android devices in the way that the higher end devices and especially the google subsidised Nexus range
Originally Posted by MGS4SnakeRulez:
“Hang on you started an Apple hate thread and slagged off ios 7 and talked about ditching iPhone and now you're praising Apple again.”
“Hang on you started an Apple hate thread and slagged off ios 7 and talked about ditching iPhone and now you're praising Apple again.”
Because he's a massive troll.
He doesn't own an iphone at all. Going by his post he's just a jealous apple lover that would love to own one but is probably too poor!
He also never switched to Android and bought a Sony phone. WHat he said about it when he allegedly had it made no sense and was simply wrong about that phone.
Originally Posted by wakey:
“The thing is that the openness is both Androids strength but also its Achilles heel. The OS has to be more bloated than it needs to be as it has to be extendable to support both the wide array of hardware differences currently on the marketplace and also the wide array of different hardware additions in future.
The OS is also obviously not tailored for the hardware and often needs custom additions to use the hardwares big selling point.
This makes it less efficient and actually needs more hardware grunt to be as slick in use as a closed system. Due to this some of the hardware that isn't at the top end of the android market really isn't fit for purpose and damages Android. And its not just in the phone market, we see more and more devices especially cheap devices running android most of which may work but don't really produce a user experience that really sells android devices in the way that the higher end devices and especially the google subsidised Nexus range”
“The thing is that the openness is both Androids strength but also its Achilles heel. The OS has to be more bloated than it needs to be as it has to be extendable to support both the wide array of hardware differences currently on the marketplace and also the wide array of different hardware additions in future.
The OS is also obviously not tailored for the hardware and often needs custom additions to use the hardwares big selling point.
This makes it less efficient and actually needs more hardware grunt to be as slick in use as a closed system. Due to this some of the hardware that isn't at the top end of the android market really isn't fit for purpose and damages Android. And its not just in the phone market, we see more and more devices especially cheap devices running android most of which may work but don't really produce a user experience that really sells android devices in the way that the higher end devices and especially the google subsidised Nexus range”
That used to be the case. Not now. Even some cheap Android phones are excellent.
If Apple has won you over I'm pleased for you, OP. Hopefully you'll be very happy together and have a great future together. I'm not faithful to any brand, I'm on Android, I may have another turn with Apple, I may go for some as yet unreleased system in the future. Who knows!
I loved my Sony P800. People used to call it a brick and laugh at it. At least Apple made everyone appreciate smart phones as the trendies loved it!
Android is popular because its cheap.
As a OS its not as polished or as integrated as iOS. Theres still annoying quirks, some apps or missing features, poor tablet platform and its too fragmented
Oh I have a Nexus 4 running 4.3 and a iPad running ios7 BTW.
As a OS its not as polished or as integrated as iOS. Theres still annoying quirks, some apps or missing features, poor tablet platform and its too fragmented
Oh I have a Nexus 4 running 4.3 and a iPad running ios7 BTW.
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