Can we have anyone who criticizes the goddess that is Ola Jordan tarred and feathered?

No? Ah well, I will have to defend the honour of the future Mrs Illuvatar in my head.

Seriously though, I don't really have an issue with either of them. I agree that Ola does lose the odd garment and does a lot of sexy choreography when she has a hopeless celeb to cover for but I've not really noticed it with the good ones, like Ashley this year who is clearly better than Sid "someone urinated in my morning coffee" Owen and Robbie "mummy, that judge is being mean to me!" Savage. And to be fair, in the last couple of years, the two she has been with when she's done the sexy choreography have had issues due to outside circumstances like Gary Speed's death and Ola's mother's health. It's good to see her with someone who might have a chance again.

Kristina, I really have no opinion of. I think she's fine, I do not object to her presence there, her choreography is fine and works around the kind of celeb she has.

They both seem like nice people too. I would agree Ola is competitive but it is a competition so good on her. I have never known her not be gracious when she has lost out, she thanks the audience for votes and is usually one of the first to the departing celebs so I don't think she's this horrible person with all this backstage pull. I think she can be quite demanding on her celeb but if they put in the effort, they'll be fine.

Please note that this is intended to be constructive...

I think if you want civilised responses then you are probably going to have to make civlised comments to begin with (though even then I will admit it's not guaranteed, but at least it gives you the moral high ground you seem to be claiming here) .

As i said, I had no problem with your challenging of the "pecking order" - even though you subsequently admitted it wasn't based on anything other than a hunch. Nor with the idea that you do not like particular dancers. But the likelihood that using particularly emotive language such as describing Ola's face as "bitchy" would attract a similar accusation levelled at your good self was probably quite high.

Of course there is always the old adage "I can have a go at the dancers but the rules say you cannot have a go at me" but I am of the view that the spirit (if not the letter) of the rules does not really support that assertion.

I don't mind somebody pulling me up on something. If they are going to have a go, they could at least make it original rather than the run of the mill comments like "you're just jealous" etc. I don't see any point in making such a childish statement that was made unless they are prepared for a reposte. If I wasn't thick skinned, I certainly wouldn't have started a non-complimentary thread about one of the most popular pro dancers. I still stand by that Ola has a bitchy looking face; maybe it's not meant, maybe she is nice. However, I don't like her and get a feeling about her which I stand by

I cannot say for sure, and it's best answered by those responding in the manner you refer to, but perhaps there are those that consider your views unoriginal etc, and are meeting what they see as like with like. ???

Don't you see there's a difference between expressing an opinion, even a negative opinion, using neutral language and doing so using personal insults such as "false looking" and "bitchy"?

I like Kristina: she seems like a big-hearted type. Yes her routines and her make up can make her look a bit vulgar occasionally, even on a show where everyone tends that way, but to me at any rate she comes across as a genuinely pleasant person.

Ola I'm not so keen on but that's more to do with her choreography than anything else. Like her husband she never does anything innovative with her routines. I always get the impression with her dances that I've seen her do them time and again. I'd contrast that with pros like Artem and Aliona who are always trying something new.

I tell you what - I promise not to lose sleep over it tonight if that helps

I really like Kristina as a dancer - she has that quality that I loved in Karen Hardy - she just loves dancing and I think she transmits that really well to the audience. I like to think she doesn't mean to be a bit 'me me me'' she's just enjoying it so much. However, I was really disappointed with that group dance where she writhed around in the martini glass like a cut price Dita von Teese - she's way better than that. In fact, all the female professionals are. There's a difference between sexy and just plain trashy.

I agree you about Ola and James it is just the same choreography just a different celeb. And whilst were on the subject last night during Earth Wind and Fire they did the same lift they do every series, when Ola's on the back of his shoulders and he spins around. Impressive the first time but change it up once in a while.

agreed. The tired format of dressing less to impress is wearing thin. I'm not being sexist either because it is the same with the men. Ok so I am not adverse to a bit of Ben ripping his top off but it just seems with K&O that their 'trashy' image is overplayed. I do think both of them look cheap but I suppose that's part of the hype and drama of the show;.

This is the Beeb and even with their top viewer attractions, cut price is all you're getting

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Then I can only say your bottom is looking particularly black today, Ms Kettle. Yrs, A Pot.

I think she achieved exactly the effect the BBC asked her to make.

It's a "show!"

I don't mind either of them but equally not sure if I would miss them were they to leave. I would miss James though. Ola's choreography is looking very tired and Kristina, who I think a better choreographer, using herself to cover for her weaker celeb when dancing is beginning to wear thin.

I believe both of them want the best for their celeb partners though, working as hard as they can to achieve the best results.

I am disappointed with Kristina. It's all a bit samey....a few rags and sparkley bits instead of clothes and writhing about. Where is the charm and the dignity in that?

Ola too cover up and dance

O&K are both guilty of the flitting about distraction technique and Ola's choreography is like a greatest hits compilation but I'm sure they are both lovely people.

I miss Flavia in the front role of the group dances but I doubt Kristina and Ola are actually much favoured, rather they just stand out due to being blonde and moving in an overtly sexy way!

These two both publish (what I consider) raunchy and tacky calendars. I've just had a quick search for Flavia, Erin and Natalie. NO cheap tat.

Aliona has one coming out for 2014 but I can't tell how classy or otherwise it's going to be.

I think those calendars tell you quite a bit about them.

Aliona's calendar is a play on children's fairytales and very sweetly done from what I've seen unlike the lad's mag-esque, airbrushed efforts from the other two.

The only thing I have against Ola is her choreography is lacking.

With Kristina my issues run much deeper. Her constant desperation to be on screen and to be heard is extreme, she definitely considers herself a celeb in her own right rather than a dancer on a show there to assist a celeb through their journey.

Her choreography whilst clever (and certainly better than Ola's) is a cheap way of getting thrills and crowd satisfaction because she always masks the inadequacies of her partners with a couple of tricks or her own dancing.

She is also the one to try and make the most out of her time on Strictly. Numerous magazine articles, calendars, make-up and charity link-ups all in the name of PR for Kristina's favourite thing, herself.

Thank you for taking the time to collate my posts. I still don't really understand your point if you have one. I have made an observation and a critique and you say I'm a hypocrite. I have acknowledged on many posts on this forum and the other forums I go on that I don't mind people objecting to what I say but sometimes it's the way people go about it. Is that still not clear - have I offended or made a derogatory reference to any FM? I'm sure, as I won't, that Kristina and Ola won't lose sleep over my comment. Isn't that the jist of a post you made when somebody was slagging off Brendan or do you like only favourable posts

That's basically what I've been trying to get at but I thought I was quite subtle - maybe as subtle as a brick according to some

Im not to bothered about either of them tbh, I wouldnt miss them if they werent on the show but it doesnt bother me that they are there - I tend to find my mind wandering when Ola and Ashley come on as I get bored with Olas choreography, seen it all before, different celeb, same moves, ditto with Kristina - I find her better in the group pro dances (apart from when she was in the champagne glass, terrible idea whoever came up with that!!) or when she is doing a solo with Robin - I adored the contemporary number they did to Jar of Hearts last year - it was divine

Tells me someone's advised them there's money to be made and they've taken that advice. A dancer's career is pretty precarious, there's far worse they could do so good luck to them I say.

Most pro dancers don't look sleazy. In fact, I don't think any of them do. Not on the circuit and competing for real.

Maybe it's the close-ups but Ola-tina DO manage to look decidedly "Spearmint Rhino". Erin and Flavia never did. Natalie managed to rise above it. Camilla always seemed tasteful.

I do think Krist-ola have the 'top-shelf' market sewn up.

I saw extracts from Ola's calendar which it's clear to which market this is appealing. The one shot where she's sat with bikini bottoms and her legs wide open is distasteful. I'm glad it's not just me who thinks that these two concentrate overly on the sex appeal and no doubt are encouraged to do this by the show. I totally agree that in comparision, the other dancers don't appear to have stooped this low.

Is this pic online? I realise you have formed your view and may judge me accordingly, but that's quite some assertion, and I'd like to see whether I think it's fair.