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Old 29-10-2013, 15:44
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Discuss. Do people think it's fair that Do what U Want and Venus will not be in the chart?
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Old 29-10-2013, 16:06
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They are the rules, they apply to everybody, so yeah it's fair. Three of Eminem's promo singles have been deemed ineligible because the rules state only one free track is eligible to chart.

The only way it would have been unfair is if they had allowed these two songs to chart and not Eminem's
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Old 29-10-2013, 16:37
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The rules are clear enough. Correct me if I am wrong but the one reason they shot up the iTunes chart was because people pre-ordered 'Artpop', therefore not the single.

It isn't fair because they would be basically counting album sales for single sales. It's as if (for example) an artist has a single out and all the copies of the album sold in that week, contributed to the chart position of the single simply because it is on that album.
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Old 29-10-2013, 16:40
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How did it all get so complicated...
Buzz single this, pre order that ...
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Old 29-10-2013, 16:40
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Do What U Want didn't make number 1 on iTunes due to people buying it. It made number 1 on iTunes because people had pre-ordered the album. That's why it is falling down the chart. So, of course it is fair. It shouldn't be able to chart.
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Old 29-10-2013, 17:19
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How did it all get so complicated...
Buzz single this, pre order that ...
I really miss the charts actually being easy to follow. The one bad thing about downloading is how complicated it has made trying to keep up.

At least in the days of Top of the Pops I could just turn that on if I wanted to quickly and easily know who was number one, even if the show was awful during its last years.
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Old 29-10-2013, 17:46
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I really miss the charts actually being easy to follow. The one bad thing about downloading is how complicated it has made trying to keep up.

At least in the days of Top of the Pops I could just turn that on if I wanted to quickly and easily know who was number one, even if the show was awful during its last years.
Agree, I miss the TOTP days!

Surprised though that even Venus is chart Ineligible, even after her promotional slot on X Factor - I think she's gonna regret her strategy, very complicated!
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Old 29-10-2013, 18:51
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What a bunch of conformists. I hope none of you are actually Lady Gaga fans, she wouldn't be impressed!
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Old 29-10-2013, 18:54
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Are female singers now competing to see who is best at getting naked following Lady Gaga's naked stunt at the club? Or is it now just between Miley and Gaga?
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Old 29-10-2013, 19:22
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Are female singers now competing to see who is best at getting naked following Lady Gaga's naked stunt at the club?Or is it now just between Miley and Gaga?
Oh dear, how desperate.
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Old 29-10-2013, 19:34
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Nah most female pop singers strip at some point or in some way.
Gaga just takes the direct approach.
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Old 29-10-2013, 20:20
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I really miss the charts actually being easy to follow. The one bad thing about downloading is how complicated it has made trying to keep up.

At least in the days of Top of the Pops I could just turn that on if I wanted to quickly and easily know who was number one, even if the show was awful during its last years.
I have absolutely no idea how it all works anymore. I was aware from some other threads that a couple of her new songs were ineligible for the chart but none of them explained why - and I felt too much like someone's nan to ask

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What a bunch of conformists. I hope none of you are actually Lady Gaga fans, she wouldn't be impressed!
Well I do spend my life attempting to impress her, sat here in my meat dress...
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Old 29-10-2013, 20:45
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To put this ruling into perspective.

If Now 86 was released with 25,000 pre-ordering it before hand, each individual track wouldn't get 25,000 units added to their totals because the entire album was 'bought'. It just doesn't make sense.

That's whats happened here. The sales are for ARTPOP not for the single. However if Gagas team had released a proper iTunes 'Single' version, then it would count.
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Old 29-10-2013, 20:53
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The only answer is that she releases ARTPOP early!! Then the single sales would count.

Wishful thinking, I know!
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Old 29-10-2013, 21:06
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To put this ruling into perspective.

If Now 86 was released with 25,000 pre-ordering it before hand, each individual track wouldn't get 25,000 units added to their totals because the entire album was 'bought'. It just doesn't make sense.

That's whats happened here. The sales are for ARTPOP not for the single. However if Gagas team had released a proper iTunes 'Single' version, then it would count.
Wrong.

When you pre-order Artpop, you get notification that you can purchase, however many instant grat tracks that are available. Currently, with Artpop that is 3: Applause, Do What U Want, and Venus for the cost of 99p each which is offset against the album cost (£8.99).

Only one of those tracks can count towards the singles chart, which is currently Applause.

You have to click on a button to accept & buy the individual tracks, so you do not automatically get those tracks and pay for them now if you don't want to. So you could easily decide you want to pre-order the album from iTunes and not purchase any of the 3 instant grat tracks.

The problem is, if (for argument sake) you want to but Do What U Want, but have no intention of buying the album, then the only way to do it is by buying the track via its link to the album.

That is where Team Gaga have screwed up.

So to assume all the sales of the three releases to date count towards the album, is very presumptuous, and probably very wrong..
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Old 29-10-2013, 21:10
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Wrong.

When you pre-order Artpop, you get notification that you can purchase, however many instant grat tracks that are available. Currently, with Artpop that is 3: Applause, Do What U Want, and Venus for the cost of 99p each which is offset against the album cost (£8.99).

Only one of those tracks can count towards the singles chart, which is currently Applause.

You have to click on a button to accept & buy the individual tracks, so you do not automatically get those tracks and pay for them now if you don't want to. So you could easily decide you want to pre-order the album from iTunes and not purchase any of the 3 instant grat tracks.

The problem is, if (for argument sake) you want to but Do What U Want, but have no intention of buying the album, then the only way to do it is by buying the track via its link to the album.

That is where Team Gaga have screwed up.

So to assume all the sales of the three releases to date count towards the album, is very presumptuous, and probably very wrong..
I disagree. Many people pre-ordered before the two extra grat tracks were even announced.

So therefore people ordered Applause and ARTPOP as a collective album. However Gagas team decided to release 'Do What U Want' and therefore all those people were entitled to downloaded that track...even though they pre-ordered Applause and ARTPOP.

So in theory that individual track was getting the same amount of downloads as 'ARTPOP' would get if it was released tomorrow because of all those pre-orders which were set to automatically download when a track became available.

It only went so high in the charts so fast because so many people had pre ordered the album.
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Old 29-10-2013, 21:20
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I understand the rule & criteria of single chart eligibility! Having said that I haven't preordered the album but have purchased both Applause & Do What U Want individually the same way I would purchase a single off of an already released album.
I suspect the only reason the Official Chart have this rule is because until the album is released it can't be differentiated between an individual track download & a download that's as a result of an album preorder!
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Old 29-10-2013, 21:20
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Wrong.

When you pre-order Artpop, you get notification that you can purchase, however many instant grat tracks that are available. Currently, with Artpop that is 3: Applause, Do What U Want, and Venus for the cost of 99p each which is offset against the album cost (£8.99).

Only one of those tracks can count towards the singles chart, which is currently Applause.

You have to click on a button to accept & buy the individual tracks, so you do not automatically get those tracks and pay for them now if you don't want to. So you could easily decide you want to pre-order the album from iTunes and not purchase any of the 3 instant grat tracks.

The problem is, if (for argument sake) you want to but Do What U Want, but have no intention of buying the album, then the only way to do it is by buying the track via its link to the album.

That is where Team Gaga have screwed up.

So to assume all the sales of the three releases to date count towards the album, is very presumptuous, and probably very wrong..
I bought Do what u want without pre-ordering the album though?

I then pre-ordered it the other day and got Venus instantly, without having to select to buy it as a grat or whatever
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Old 29-10-2013, 21:32
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i thought they bended the rules for david bowie?
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Old 30-10-2013, 10:12
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I have absolutely no idea how it all works anymore.

I felt too much like someone's nan to ask
Exactly how I feel! Is this what it's like to be old?
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Old 30-10-2013, 10:51
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Yes it's completely fair you can't count a sale twice you either buy the album or you buy a single. Trying to sell it as a single which then offsets the price on the album pre-order is obviously a ploy to create overinflated sales figures. It's not about rules and conformity it's about accurate sales that reflect singles sales to album sales.
The whole ArtPop era has been about overhype and using pathetic attempts to manipulate sales. The whole Applause video link that played the track on a loop to generate false YouTube/Vevo numbers. The creating a competition to attend a show and meet Gaga but buying multiple copies. These are all record company tactics to manipulate the charts. It just seems more complicated due to being able to buy any track of an album which previously when sales were all in physical format couldn't be done unless it was actually released as an actual single. The company tactic then would be to release the shipped number rather than sales to create overinflated numbers.
The sad thing is the overhype and her odd behaviour along with the whole app thingy is now completely overshadowing her music and putting people off. Nothing she has done is either groundbreaking or revolutionary in fact most had been done before and done better.
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Old 30-10-2013, 14:01
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I think its sweet that Gaga/her team/her label aren't trying to screw her devoted fans out of more of their money yet.
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Old 30-10-2013, 15:58
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Exactly how I feel! Is this what it's like to be old?
Must be I'd better take up knitting.
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Old 30-10-2013, 17:09
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It's an embarrassing mess - just showing how out of touch Gaga is
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Old 30-10-2013, 17:36
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The OCC revealed that Venus would've charted at 6 and DWUW at 10 on today's midweek.
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