It managed for plenty of years doing just that. It's always had a wider audience than the ballroom crowd, I think Chris Parker's appearance in the final of Series 1 would be perfect proof of that, no-one was voting for him on his dancing talent.


The Argentine Tango that was introduced in Series Four you mean, having been danced as an exhibition dance by Flavia and Vincent previously? So before any of the "none" ballroom or latin trained professionals were a part of the show.

I don't think having professional dancers with experience in other dance forms (which mostly seems to be that they've been on So You Think You Can Dance? and subsequently performed in Burn the Floor) has made much difference to the average viewer watching.

Thank you Karina, you have confirmed precisely what I was trying to say without being totally obvious!

Mabye I am wrong,its just I thought he has been very careful around her the last couple of weeks and someone else posted the same thing.
I didn't say Artem liked Natalie,I said I thought it was the other way around.

Duplicate.

I thought it was wonderful, I don't care about the parts that were out of hold, and it was so great to see Artem back on form with his choreography. I'd much prefer he goes for showstoppers like he did tonight than do what he's been doing so far this series - difficult choreography danced to a high standard but without the wow factor.

It was overmarked by a lot, 10s were not deserved and did you see how smug she was.

Considering there was barely any Viennese waltz content in their 'Viennese waltz', no matter what you think of the dance they performed, they should have been marked down.

They find enough reasons to mark down couples they're not fond of, lifts etc. you would think something like not dancing the correct steps for a particular style of dance would be reason enough not to give a perfect 10. Obviously that doesn't hold true when you're the judges favourite...

Probably because he doesn't want to get bashed in the face by her again. Either hair or elbow.

Artem's no different to the way he's always been, he's actually a quite shy, sweet guy. He just doesn't like it if you don't try and he has no problem with Natalie because she has a fantastic work ethic.

It simply wasn't a vw... Can she do one then?? Artem thinks not...

I agree. I only posted my comment because I'm pretty sure Kara has absolutely nothing to worry about!

This is a forum which means we can and should be able to have differing opinions about all manner of things. You don't agree with me, and that is fine, but it does not mean that your opinion is the only one that is right.

I am perfectly entitled to think what I like and, as someone who has been involved with dance for many years, I like to see dance move on, evolve, be creative and inspirational.

It can stay stuck in aspic forever. If you loathe what is happening on SCD you can always stop watching it.

I personally fast forward the really bad dancing and ghastly routines (Dave and Susanna's tonight being a prime example) so that I do not have to watch them.

brilliant post

Scd is based on the classics. There is nothing more beautiful than seeing the dances done properly without the need of showboating...some just don't get that!

So, if that's right why criticize some dancers for not sticking to the rules - Iveta and Mark for lack of Paso content - but not others? Iveta and Mark's dance was certainly entertaining for a 'non-ballroom crowd', so why are they marked down and not Artem and Natalie for not sticking, even loosely, to the rules.

And where have I said you can't have an opinion or express it or that mine is right? Or that I "loathe" what is happening on SCD? What I said was Natalie danced beautifully but what she danced was not a Viennese Waltz.

Absolutely. He's is seriously talented. No wonder he has a thriving career as a choreographer now. I can't imagine Anton or James ever doing that!

Who cares? It was fabulous!

And so is she.

As soon as the 10's were give I just new what the response would be.

I've been dancing ballroom 9 years today I got nearly 4 minutes of vw six fleckles and constant turning to see Natalie perform that and get tens is rubbish

i do..
It makes a joke to those who get slated for content mark in cha cha week...

but she can't dance then as she didn't complete a vw even partially

Course she can. I suspect Artem thought a basic VW wasn't showy enough/wouldn't appeal to the audience or he simply got carried away with the choreography. The pros know what they're doing - throwing away a mark from Len is worth it if they get themselves noticed by the public more.

I don't care so much providing the same leeway is then given to all the other competitors who don't include enough "content" for whatever dance it is they're supposed to be performing. However, that isn't the case, which is what makes it unfair.


He'd have done better choreographing something closer to the one he did for Kara though. It would have still given a wow factor but not opened them up for the accusations of not enough VW content.
I do wonder if Natalie's back injury doesn't pay some part in Artem's ballroom choreography as he's consistently given her as little possible time in hold in all their ballroom dances so far.
She's an utterly beautiful dancer, graceful with exquisite lines and she finishes her moves off to perfection, as well as being spot on in her turns and extensions. It's disappointing to not see her being pushed into performing "proper" ballroom and latin when that's the supposed point of the show.

Think the operative word is based.

They've had to move on, GBP are not as fussed about traditional as they are about wow dances I believe.

I know I've appreciated the move away, I don't care about the traditional dancing, I don't dance, I don't want to, I just enjoy watching celebs learn a new talent and then perform on a Saturday and I find Artem is the most innovative, exciting choreographer whether it's within the boundaries of British ballroom or not.

cha cha week?

I must have missed that theme .

well she didn't and should have been 6s @t best