I've just had cocktails and crostini with the Moff and he told me your source is a fibber and John Hurt is actually replacing Bonnie Langford who pulled out to rehearse her panto moves.
When Eccleston turned them down why didn't they call Paul McGann instead of John Hurt
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Originally Posted by Listentome:
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Surely there's no need to take that attitude towards people bothering to contribute to your thread no matter whether it is on topic or not.”
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Surely there's no need to take that attitude towards people bothering to contribute to your thread no matter whether it is on topic or not.”
Glad you noticed it too
dont worry,i wont be bothering to contribute in future,
Originally Posted by James_Vick:
“yes it is”
“yes it is”
No, it is just rumored. Just as in 2010, when it was 'confirmed' that Doctor's Daughter Jenny will be companionof the 11th Doctor. And obviously it wasn't true. There have been countless of rumors and hardly any of them was true.
Anyway, even if he IS 8.5, it still doesn't mean that Hurt is replacement for Eccleston. Eccleston regenerated at the beginning of Rose (he looked himself in the mirror etc.) so he can't possibly be the Time War Doctor.
As I said, he was supposed to have the same role in the 50th as Tennant.
Originally Posted by James_Vick:
“yes it is”
“yes it is”
No, James, there is no official confirmation that John Hurt plays Doctor 8.5.
None.
And there is no need for you to be so rude and aggressive either.
Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
“I don't think that John Hurt is replacement for Eccleston. It's not even confirmed that he IS the 8.5 Doctor. Here is one more interesting theory: http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/could-j...ctor-54672.htm
I think that Eccleston was supposed to have the same role as Tennant.”
“I don't think that John Hurt is replacement for Eccleston. It's not even confirmed that he IS the 8.5 Doctor. Here is one more interesting theory: http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/could-j...ctor-54672.htm
I think that Eccleston was supposed to have the same role as Tennant.”
Interesting idea.
Clara jumped into the timestream of the dead Doctor, and she saw 11 Doctors and Hurt. No Capaldi? Then surely events will be changed so that The Doctor doesn't die on Trenzalore. Obviously this kind of disruption to the space/time continuum is very bad, and could result in all kinds of horrible things happening, including offshoots of certain negative aspects of The Doctor.
Originally Posted by Eighth Doctor:
“Interesting idea.
Clara jumped into the timestream of the dead Doctor, and she saw 11 Doctors and Hurt. No Capaldi? Then surely events will be changed so that The Doctor doesn't die on Trenzalore. Obviously this kind of disruption to the space/time continuum is very bad, and could result in all kinds of horrible things happening, including offshoots of certain negative aspects of The Doctor.”
“Interesting idea.
Clara jumped into the timestream of the dead Doctor, and she saw 11 Doctors and Hurt. No Capaldi? Then surely events will be changed so that The Doctor doesn't die on Trenzalore. Obviously this kind of disruption to the space/time continuum is very bad, and could result in all kinds of horrible things happening, including offshoots of certain negative aspects of The Doctor.”
She didnt SEE Hurt, he was standing on the bottom.
Unrtil we know the details of the actual story how can we even know if Paul McGann would have fit into the story in the same way Christopher Ecclestone did? The premise is very presumptious.
Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
“She didnt SEE Hurt, he was standing on the bottom.”
“She didnt SEE Hurt, he was standing on the bottom.”
Yes, ok - but the absence of Capaldi, when we all know he'll be the next Doctor, is very intriguing.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Unrtil we know the details of the actual story how can we even know if Paul McGann would have fit into the story in the same way Christopher Ecclestone did? The premise is very presumptious.”
“Unrtil we know the details of the actual story how can we even know if Paul McGann would have fit into the story in the same way Christopher Ecclestone did? The premise is very presumptious.”
Ah, but you don't have to know anything to post an ill-informed ad hoc reckon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnd5ilKx2Y
I'm now seething with fury at Moffat's villainy what I done imagined.
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“Ah, but you don't have to know anything to post an ill-informed ad hoc reckon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnd5ilKx2Y
I'm now seething with fury at Moffat's villainy what I done imagined.”
“Ah, but you don't have to know anything to post an ill-informed ad hoc reckon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnd5ilKx2Y
I'm now seething with fury at Moffat's villainy what I done imagined.”
Saved that very excellent link for future use
I'm actually quite surprised that there seems to be so much demand for McGann to appear in the episode, judging by the amount of posts of the subject, petitions created etc. He seems a more popular choice than any of the other classic Doctors. Was there the same outpouring when it was revealed that Doctor Who would be returning in 2005 without McGann?
Moffat could only write the 50th around cast who would come back. As far as we can tell, Christopher Eccleston wasn't the only person to turn down the 50th, he's just the only person who's come out and said it because he was being questioned about it. I am guessing an original plan could have been Nine with Rose, Ten with Donna, Eleven with Clara as the general setup.
Though I think John Hurt has been onboard as the lost Doctor for some time. Rose will take Nine's part in the story and have her memory of the events retcon'd.
Though I think John Hurt has been onboard as the lost Doctor for some time. Rose will take Nine's part in the story and have her memory of the events retcon'd.
Originally Posted by performingmonk:
“Moffat could only write the 50th around cast who would come back. As far as we can tell, Christopher Eccleston wasn't the only person to turn down the 50th, he's just the only person who's come out and said it because he was being questioned about it. I am guessing an original plan could have been Nine with Rose, Ten with Donna, Eleven with Clara as the general setup.
Though I think John Hurt has been onboard as the lost Doctor for some time. Rose will take Nine's part in the story and have her memory of the events retcon'd.”
“Moffat could only write the 50th around cast who would come back. As far as we can tell, Christopher Eccleston wasn't the only person to turn down the 50th, he's just the only person who's come out and said it because he was being questioned about it. I am guessing an original plan could have been Nine with Rose, Ten with Donna, Eleven with Clara as the general setup.
Though I think John Hurt has been onboard as the lost Doctor for some time. Rose will take Nine's part in the story and have her memory of the events retcon'd.”
We don't know for sure Rose is in the 50th. Indeed the available evidence suggests Piper is playing the Bad Wolf/The Moment/whatever you want to call it.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“We don't know for sure Rose is in the 50th. Indeed the available evidence suggests Piper is playing the Bad Wolf/The Moment/whatever you want to call it.”
“We don't know for sure Rose is in the 50th. Indeed the available evidence suggests Piper is playing the Bad Wolf/The Moment/whatever you want to call it.”
If Billie's in it (which she is, as part of the main cast list), she's Rose. Nothing else would make sense. Especially as the 'Moment' If she was that the Doctor would already know her before the 2005 series.
Originally Posted by performingmonk:
“If Billie's in it (which she is, as part of the main cast list), she's Rose. Nothing else would make sense. Especially as the 'Moment' If she was that the Doctor would already know her before the 2005 series.”
“If Billie's in it (which she is, as part of the main cast list), she's Rose. Nothing else would make sense. Especially as the 'Moment' If she was that the Doctor would already know her before the 2005 series.”
It was implied in the 2005 series that he did. Red bike at Christmas when she was 12, if I recall correctly.
Originally Posted by JCR:
“It was implied in the 2005 series that he did. Red bike at Christmas when she was 12, if I recall correctly.”
“It was implied in the 2005 series that he did. Red bike at Christmas when she was 12, if I recall correctly.”
Although that can be slotted in after Nine leaves Rose and then returns to say "Oh, did I mention it also travels in time?"
Originally Posted by DiscoP:
“I'm actually quite surprised that there seems to be so much demand for McGann to appear in the episode.”
“I'm actually quite surprised that there seems to be so much demand for McGann to appear in the episode.”
I think there is some interest even from fans who joined with Nu Who. However, for most viewers it is not the actor McGann that needs to be respected, rather the continuity itself. McGann could be replaced or his Doctor's changed appearance explained away.
More importantly, John Hurt's presence creates quite a buzz about the show, appealing to possible new fans.
I'm going to give Moffat credit in advance that he will tie the Eighth Doctor nicely into continuity somehow, perhaps a brief flash of McGann, aging him or regenerating him into Hurt.
Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .
Originally Posted by Sladen:
“I'm going to give Moffat credit in advance that he will tie the Eighth Doctor nicely into continuity somehow, perhaps a brief flash of McGann, aging him or regenerating him into Hurt.”
“I'm going to give Moffat credit in advance that he will tie the Eighth Doctor nicely into continuity somehow, perhaps a brief flash of McGann, aging him or regenerating him into Hurt.”
Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne:
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!”
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!”
Clara said she had met McGanns Doctor but never met Hurts.
If McGann had aged into Hurt over his Incarnation Clara would surely have seen him at various points through the aging Process and recognised that he was the same incarnation.
Of course Paul McCann may be another unknown incarnation
Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne:
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .”
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .”
No worries, I think a number of people have independently come up with this idea
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“If McGann had aged into Hurt over his Incarnation Clara would surely have seen him at various points through the aging Process and recognised that he was the same incarnation.”
“If McGann had aged into Hurt over his Incarnation Clara would surely have seen him at various points through the aging Process and recognised that he was the same incarnation.”
Assuming that she could see events that had occurred within the Timelock. Or are those stored within his timeline, regardless of timelocking?
So why not Hurt's experiences...
For McGann's experiences, perhaps she just saw the TV Movie's events with the Master, then the Time War heated up, then a blackout, as he could not bear to incorporate certain memories into his timeline...
Originally Posted by Bruce Wayne:
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .”
“Here is a theory. John Hurt is an older Paul McCann!
Sorry, I didn't see your post . . .”
That wouldn't make much sense as John Hurt bears no physical resemblance to Paul McGann.
Originally Posted by James_Vick:
“When Eccleston turned them down why didn't they call Paul McGann instead of John Hurt?”
“When Eccleston turned them down why didn't they call Paul McGann instead of John Hurt?”
Because Moff loves to pi*s and windup the hardcore fans.
Its probably just a older 8th doctor to be fair.
Originally Posted by be more pacific:
“That wouldn't make much sense as John Hurt bears no physical resemblance to Paul McGann.”
“That wouldn't make much sense as John Hurt bears no physical resemblance to Paul McGann.”
And there's an older McGann saying he's "gutted" he's not in it. I don't think they'd go to all that trouble to replace an actor who is willing and still quite suitable to play the role. It would be like getting Simon Pegg to replace David Tennant.
Originally Posted by Eighth Doctor:
“And there's an older McGann saying he's "gutted" he's not in it. I don't think they'd go to all that trouble to replace an actor who is willing and still quite suitable to play the role. It would be like getting Simon Pegg to replace David Tennant.”
“And there's an older McGann saying he's "gutted" he's not in it. I don't think they'd go to all that trouble to replace an actor who is willing and still quite suitable to play the role. It would be like getting Simon Pegg to replace David Tennant.”
It would, however, close a continuity loophole by giving them a reason to never bring the Eighth Doctor back or mention him ever again...
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