The great british public love an underdog, a trier, a journey so what has Natalie's been. I don't think she is going to win because she's already at her destination
What has Natalie's "journey" been so far?
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Originally Posted by Posy:
“The great british public love an underdog, a trier, a journey so what has Natalie's been. I don't think she is going to win because she's already at her destination”
“The great british public love an underdog, a trier, a journey so what has Natalie's been. I don't think she is going to win because she's already at her destination”
I don't need a (usually manufactured) journey. I think Natalie is loving the show, as it's giving her the chance to dance again.
She isn't already at her destination, whatever that means. She's a lovely dancer, but certainly not the finished article. She has improved in both her Latin and Ballroom, but there's still work to be done IMO.
If we need to talk about journeys, then at least we can say that Natalie is progressing, and not going backwards like some.
If we need to talk about journeys, then at least we can say that Natalie is progressing, and not going backwards like some.
Originally Posted by peach45:
“She isn't already at her destination, whatever that means. She's a lovely dancer, but certainly not the finished article. She has improved in both her Latin and Ballroom, but there's still work to be done IMO.
If we need to talk about journeys, then at least we can say that Natalie is progressing, and not going backwards like some.”
“She isn't already at her destination, whatever that means. She's a lovely dancer, but certainly not the finished article. She has improved in both her Latin and Ballroom, but there's still work to be done IMO.
If we need to talk about journeys, then at least we can say that Natalie is progressing, and not going backwards like some.
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I agree. If Natalie wasn't in the show, Strictly would be a total dud this year in terms of dancing.
Well she came into the show as an accomplished dancer so has no journey to go on.
It's laughable when the judges say crap like "it's amazing how you've got to this standard in so few weeks".
No it isn't! Just be flipping honest - we know she was almost a professional dancer. Stop pretending. We know and you know.
It's laughable when the judges say crap like "it's amazing how you've got to this standard in so few weeks".
No it isn't! Just be flipping honest - we know she was almost a professional dancer. Stop pretending. We know and you know.
I would say her journey is the same as the others. She is being taught a dance that she has never done before.
Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.
Originally Posted by Georgiecats:
“Well she came into the show as an accomplished dancer so has no journey to go on.
It's laughable when the judges say crap like "it's amazing how you've got to this standard in so few weeks".
No it isn't! Just be flipping honest - we know she was almost a professional dancer. Stop pretending. We know and you know.”
“Well she came into the show as an accomplished dancer so has no journey to go on.
It's laughable when the judges say crap like "it's amazing how you've got to this standard in so few weeks".
No it isn't! Just be flipping honest - we know she was almost a professional dancer. Stop pretending. We know and you know.”
Exactly.
The "oh I'm so nervous" schtick doesn't work when you're standing there with a puffed-up grin safely through to the Final because no judge would ever risk voting her out.
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
Bitter much? I think you should sit down before you fall over.
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
Why shouldn't she be on the show?? She has some dancing background which she has admitted to but she hasn't had any background in the dances she has to learn every week.
I've never seen her be smug or show any signs of being 'full of herself'.
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
“Natalie has gone from "trained dancer with lots of talent" to "trained dancer with lots of talent"
She should not be on the show, at all, but interestingly she has grown so smug and self-satisfied that she can now not even complete the basic steps of a dance and STILL get 10s.
So not only is she not learning to dance, because she already can, she's too full of herself to do what she's asked. A double disgrace.”
I don't understand this at all. She has no input into the choreography, can only dance the routines that Artem choreographs for her and is hardly going to question him because he is her teacher and has far more knowledge and experience than her.
Artem's choreography has been criticised by Len since his first series with Kara Tointon, it has absolutely nothing to do with Natalie.
I like Natalie, she's a beautiful dancer who gets a palpable joy from having the opportunity to do something she loves again. She also seems very down to earth and someone who works hard to achieve high standards, not smug at all.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Why shouldn't she be on the show?? She has some dancing background which she has admitted to but she hasn't had any background in the dances she has to learn every week.
I've never seen her be smug or show any signs of being 'full of herself'.”
“Why shouldn't she be on the show?? She has some dancing background which she has admitted to but she hasn't had any background in the dances she has to learn every week.
I've never seen her be smug or show any signs of being 'full of herself'.”
Stepping aside from the smug accusations ...
'Some dancing background'? A bit more than that, let's be real. Natalie trained in dancing. Specifically and exclusively. That is significantly different to the multitude of actors who all have a little dance as part of their overall training.
Which puts her in a different league to anyone who has done SCD before, as far as I know.
And there is obviously a bias from the judges/producers - otherwise why would Len have criticised her performance this weekend for lack of content and still doled out a 9 when Kara got marked down much more for the same crime when she did the American Smooth at Blackpool?
The judges' darlings don't always go down well with the public. It remains to be seen how much public support Natalie actually has - but it would certainly seem that viewers have a rather different perspective on contestants than the judges, if this weekend is anything to go by.
I think that the problem could be that for those of us who aren't dancers ourselves, and who therefore don't necessarily pick up on the finer details that a dancer would see, Natalie's journey is perhaps not as noticeable as that of the other contestants Also, based on some of the comments I've read on DS, Natalie's boisterous personality is perhaps putting some viewers off. I think all that may count against her in the end and she'll only be runner up, rather than winner.
Originally Posted by priscilla:
“Why shouldn't she be on the show?? She has some dancing background which she has admitted to but she hasn't had any background in the dances she has to learn every week.
I've never seen her be smug or show any signs of being 'full of herself'.”
“Why shouldn't she be on the show?? She has some dancing background which she has admitted to but she hasn't had any background in the dances she has to learn every week.
I've never seen her be smug or show any signs of being 'full of herself'.”
Her facial expressions throughout the show, not just the dancing and particularly during the scoring, are of an overconfidence that can only be traced to her years of training.
As mentioned above, there is a bias from the judges too, who are swooning over to her to two problematic conclusions:
1) She gets 10s despite breaking the rules of the VW
2) She can never be defeated in the dance-off, negating the competition element of the programme
Now we all know that the winners of SCD tend to have a journey. Natalie has no journey - she's been top almost every week and is now getting 10s. What's the point of a competition if you're that good?
Talent shows are that-a-way.
I'll never vote for her - not after what she did to poor tyrone. she also has a look of a stage school brat
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Her facial expressions throughout the show, not just the dancing and particularly during the scoring, are of an overconfidence that can only be traced to her years of training.
As mentioned above, there is a bias from the judges too, who are swooning over to her to two problematic conclusions:
1) She gets 10s despite breaking the rules of the VW
2) She can never be defeated in the dance-off, negating the competition element of the programme
Now we all know that the winners of SCD tend to have a journey. Natalie has no journey - she's been top almost every week and is now getting 10s. What's the point of a competition if you're that good?
Talent shows are that-a-way.”
“Her facial expressions throughout the show, not just the dancing and particularly during the scoring, are of an overconfidence that can only be traced to her years of training.
As mentioned above, there is a bias from the judges too, who are swooning over to her to two problematic conclusions:
1) She gets 10s despite breaking the rules of the VW
2) She can never be defeated in the dance-off, negating the competition element of the programme
Now we all know that the winners of SCD tend to have a journey. Natalie has no journey - she's been top almost every week and is now getting 10s. What's the point of a competition if you're that good?
Talent shows are that-a-way.”
The ridiculous overmarking this year I think is down to the fact Natalie is in the show.
She is so good that they have had to mark everyone up and so early on in the show, otherwise the chasm would be too obvious.
Originally Posted by bionicfrank:
“I'll never vote for her - not after what she did to poor tyrone. she also has a look of a stage school brat”
“I'll never vote for her - not after what she did to poor tyrone. she also has a look of a stage school brat”
ha! yes to both
Originally Posted by Doktor Dances:
“Her facial expressions throughout the show, not just the dancing and particularly during the scoring, are of an overconfidence that can only be traced to her years of training.
As mentioned above, there is a bias from the judges too, who are swooning over to her to two problematic conclusions:
1) She gets 10s despite breaking the rules of the VW
2) She can never be defeated in the dance-off, negating the competition element of the programme
Now we all know that the winners of SCD tend to have a journey. Natalie has no journey - she's been top almost every week and is now getting 10s. What's the point of a competition if you're that good?
Talent shows are that-a-way.”
“Her facial expressions throughout the show, not just the dancing and particularly during the scoring, are of an overconfidence that can only be traced to her years of training.
As mentioned above, there is a bias from the judges too, who are swooning over to her to two problematic conclusions:
1) She gets 10s despite breaking the rules of the VW
2) She can never be defeated in the dance-off, negating the competition element of the programme
Now we all know that the winners of SCD tend to have a journey. Natalie has no journey - she's been top almost every week and is now getting 10s. What's the point of a competition if you're that good?
Talent shows are that-a-way.”
She didn't "break the rules". Even Artem who was actually responsible for choreographing the routine didn't "break the rules". Len's issue was that they didn't spend enough time in hold for his traditional tastes. He also marked down Kara and Artem's American Smooth and, to a lesser extent, Kimberley and Pasha's American Smooth for the same reason. It isn't really a set in stone "rule" on Strictly that a certain amount of a dance must be in hold. It's just something that as someone from a ballroom dancing background, Len wants to see. The other judges have never really cared about it.
Admittedly Kara's American Smooth was marked down by Len far harsher than Natalie's VW but then he's also a lot more lenient about illegal lifts and "faffing abaht" than he used to be. I don't think it's preferential treatment towards Natalie.
I agree with everyone's points
She is already a dancer ergo she is doing really well.
She cannot be beaten in the dance - off, ergo she is in the final.
But..
I don't think she'll win for this reason as no 'journey'.
She is already a dancer ergo she is doing really well.
She cannot be beaten in the dance - off, ergo she is in the final.
But..
I don't think she'll win for this reason as no 'journey'.
This continual criticism of someone being smug because they show a bit of talent is so lazy and boring. I immediately disagree with anyone who trots out the S word. 
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