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Old 04-11-2013, 15:11
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What are some of your thoughts on some of the exits of various companions? I'm not talking about if you liked a certain departure more than the others, but what you think about the departure itself. How it was written, acted, handled, and if it was an appropriate end for that character.

You can name as many companions as you want, and I might add my own thoughts later.
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Old 04-11-2013, 21:42
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Donna's was probably the best as she become a much better person through travelling with The Doctor but ended up exactly where she started - a loud, slightly thick Londoner with no memory of her best friend. Also, Jamie and Zoe's in The War Games was good, but there's could possibly slightly better as they could remember their first meeting with The Doctor.
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Old 04-11-2013, 21:50
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The one that stands out the most for me from all fifty years is Rose. She isn't my favorite companion but it is significant as I think she got the perfect send off initially and then it was all ruined with the second go around.

That first time on Bad Wolf Bay was so brilliantly written and so expertly performed that it should have been left to stand for all time as it was. Sure. You could call it slightly cheeseball. Certainly it was designed to go straight for the heart strings and not so much tug them as tear them apart. But it worked for that era.

What they subsequently did is perfect proof that however much you are in love with a character sometimes its best to never go back.

I find it impossible to watch it in isolation with the knowledge of what was now to come and it still annoys me.
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Old 04-11-2013, 22:19
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The one that stands out the most for me from all fifty years is Rose. She isn't my favorite companion but it is significant as I think she got the perfect send off initially and then it was all ruined with the second go around.

That first time on Bad Wolf Bay was so brilliantly written and so expertly performed that it should have been left to stand for all time as it was. Sure. You could call it slightly cheeseball. Certainly it was designed to go straight for the heart strings and not so much tug them as tear them apart. But it worked for that era.

What they subsequently did is perfect proof that however much you are in love with a character sometimes its best to never go back.

I find it impossible to watch it in isolation with the knowledge of what was now to come and it still annoys me.
I agree. I wasn't very fond of Rose's return in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End and it ruined the massive impact of her initial departure. I wish she hadn't come back in Series 4, though I did like the scene in The End of Time.
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Old 04-11-2013, 22:29
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I agree. I wasn't very fond of Rose's return in The Stolen Earth/Journey's End and it ruined the massive impact of her initial departure. I wish she hadn't come back in Series 4, though I did like the scene in The End of Time.
Yeah exactly. Sorry. My choice was rather banal and obvious but it does irk me and it serves as a wider warning I think for those that call for characters to return alot.
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Old 04-11-2013, 23:38
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I'd like to echo some of the thoughts of the people on here who loved the ending of Doomsday, only to be disappointed when they ruined all the brilliance of that ending by bringing Rose back in Series 4 (I also love the End of Time cameo although it was bordering on sickly at this point). Martha's exit was bitter sweet because I hated seeing the character go but it was in her best interests (just annoying that the second she actually had any good character development she was axed, another character poorly handled IMHO). Donna's exit was heart-breaking but again, the impact of this was handled badly in End of Time with an ad hoc defensive mechanism that was never explained (although the idea of her winning the lottery is sweet, I agree with people who say this can't magically undo the damage that the lack of knowledge in the Doctor did to her character development). And finally Amy and Rory. I thought this ending was brilliant because, to an extent like Martha's, this was far worse for the Doctor than for the Ponds. Rose and Donna's endings were horrible for the characters themselves, but Amy and Rory get a happy ending of sorts. They're together and they live a happy life and every time I watch that scene, I can't but help but feel when Amy says she'll be fine, all I can think of is: The Doctor ought to be saying he won't be. Heart-breaking.
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Old 06-11-2013, 02:01
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I actually liked the return of Rose in Series 4... I just wish her second exit had been done differently. Going back to Bad Wolf Bay was not only lazy, it was also a deliberate attempt to relive the "Doomsday-effect", but it was so shoddily done.

I like the fact we got to see her come back in Turn Left without the Doctor. It was interesting to see one companion interacting with another, without an input from the Doctor at all. And then in The Stolen Earth, it was brilliant to see her doing her own thing - reminding us that she is her own person, and not just some clingy Doctor-finder. I really felt that it was hitting the nail on the head.

And then like with so many things Journey's End just got it all wrong. It didn't make their interactions interesting, and by confining everyone to a single room for the most part it meant nobody got to develop as a character. The second exit was so sorely judged that I try not to remember it. A real shame as I felt that aside from that final episode, the fourth series was absolutely on fire! It even managed to give Donna a powerful exit (also tragic, admittedly) but Rose's second departure was just badly done, and it sours in the memory because that final episode was so god-darned long, and has so little to show for it.
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:06
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Now that I've gotten some time, I think it's time to ass some of my own thoughts on companion departures, and maybe see if people can add some thoughts on Classic departures.

Susan: Overall, I'm not too fond of companions leaving because they fell in love with someone and deciding to stay, but this one is turned on its head a bit. While Susan does grow very close to David, it's the Doctor that chooses that it is time for her to leave. The goodbye itself is very well done, with the Doctor giving one of the more famous speeches in the show, and the image of the TARDIS vanishing while Susan can only look on, is a very powerful one for me.

I also like how in the Eight Doctor audio, the departure was expanded on, with Susan telling the Doctor that while she had a good life with David, she was still angry at him for leaving her like that.

Ian and Barbara: One of the things I like about this scene is the Doctor trying to convince them to not take the Dalek's time machine back home, but eventually giving in to their pleas to finally go home. It really shows how much the Doctor has grown since he'd first met them, where he seemed to resent their very presence on the TARIDS. The final photo montage, and the Doctor saying he would miss them to Vicki, really hits home that now only one one member of the original cast remains, and how different the show is now.

Viki: I don't recall too much from "The Mythmakers", I tended to not closely focus on the reconstructed stories, so there are a few things that escape. I do remember that there was a number of scenes between Vicki and Trolius, but I don't like how the actual exit is rushed, with her just quickly saying goodbye to the Doctor. Makes sense in context, since Troy in under siege, but it would have been nice to have more.

Katarina and Sara: The first two companions to die, and it leaves a big impact. Katarina, who has only been here for a few episodes, is jettisoned into space to stop a criminal from hurting the Doctor and Steven, all the wile not truly understanding the things happening around her. Sara, at the end of the story, ages to death along with the Daleks and jungle planet they're on. The deaths have a very large impact Steven, and have added a heavy layer of darkness to a large, and epic story.

Steven: The events of the previous story have had an affect on Steven, and the Doctor insisting on not interfering with the events in France have lead to a tense confrontation that leads to him storming out of the TARDIS. The moments that follow, with the Doctor alone, really drives home how lonely the Doctor could have been in that moment. Thankfully he does come back.

His real departure I think is well done. Throughout "The Savages" Steven has shown to grow close to the Savages themselves, and thought I think it's a bit rushed, I was still happy with it.
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Old 06-11-2013, 08:35
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I fell that Amy and Rory's exit, while incredibly sad and heartbreaking was full of plot holes.

I also fell the Rose's first exit was ruined by her return in Series 4 although I do like her cameo in the End of Time, but no doubt would have liked it more if she hadn't return in Series 4

Martha's exit was great and unlike Rose it made sense when she returned in Series 4, it's rare that you get too see what happens to companions after they've left the Doctor.

Captain Jack exit was rushed and I fell it would have be more fitting if he had stayed in the TARDIS after being brought back from the dead and show how the Doctor and Rose deal with the fact that they are responsible for his immortality (this was touched on in Utopia and Rose barely reacted to it in the Stolen Earth) and I would have had him leave in School Reunion when Mickey joined so that he could still go and have the spin-off Torchwood.

Donna's exit was just heartbreaking

Most of the exits in the classic series where rushed and just had the companions either fall in love or just randomly decide to stay behind. The exits I fell stand out are those that don't really follow these patterns.

The deaths of Katarina, Sara and Adric where really well done and show something is rarely touched upon, travelling with the Doctor is not just fun and games and not even the companions are safe.

Sarah Jane's exit (much like Susan's) stands out in that it is ultimately the Doctor who leaves her (though she was planning to leave anyway I don't think she was serious).

Romana's exit was kind of like Rose's exit before Rose even existed, she was left (although Romana actual choose to stay) in a parallel timeline/dimension the only thing that stops this exit for being any good is the fact that, like most classic series exits, it just sort of comes out of the blue and the Doctor casual handing over K9 to her is even more random.

Zoe and Jamie's exit are just as heartbreaking as Donna's and I like the fact that, unlike Donna's exit, the Doctor has no control over it and can only watch as the Timelords send his friends back to a life without the Doctor and one where they only remember the first encounter with the Doctor. In Jamie's case this is especially heartbreaking seeing as his been there for the longest and therefore has more adventures and friends to lose (forget).
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Old 06-11-2013, 13:16
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The companion exit that got up my nose more than any other was Leela.

A warrior, a fighter who would protect her Doctor to the death. And what happened?

Wuv.

Rubbish.
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Old 06-11-2013, 16:19
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The companion exit that got up my nose more than any other was Leela.

A warrior, a fighter who would protect her Doctor to the death. And what happened?

Wuv.

Rubbish.
Agreed, glad Big Finish had the sense to kill her 'husband' off
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Old 07-11-2013, 02:03
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So I mentioned Rose's and Donna's exits in my previous post...

Martha has an interesting double-exit (triple if you count The End of Time). Even now it is a refreshing change to see a companion actively choose to leave the Doctor, rather than being forced to for external reasons. It was a convincing enough reason to leave, and perhaps the most sensible thing to come out of the hit-and-miss unrequited love plot that Martha fell victim to.

Amy and Rory's exit was a bit of a mixed bag to be honest. Rory was neglected from this entirely, but to be honest at least that was consistent with his character across Series 5, 6 and 7. Karen Gillan put in a stunning performance towards the end of The Angels Take Manhattan, as did Matt Smith and Alex Kingston. It was refreshing to see the Doctor still have someone to turn to when his companions had left in the form of River. The fact that they were killed off was quite tragic, and even despite the plot holes it was decent enough. What it did have an issue with was timing... the first main companions that haven't had a two-part story to bid their farewells... the fact that there's two of them adds insult to injury and the fact that their final scene was less than half the length of Rose's is just insulting altogether. Series 7 often rushed along at a lightning pace, and here it suffered as there just wasn't enough time to evoke a full emotional response. It needed longer basically...an issue with many episodes in Series 6 and Series 7.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:59
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I think Susan's is probably one of the most dramatic in Classic who. It was the first departure of a companion and not only that the music used was nearly on a par with Rose's in terms of effect. Ian and Barbara's I thought was a good contrast to that and I liked the fact they ended on a good note.

Some departures like Vicki's, Dodo's and Ben and Polly's were a bit of a none event really though I agree Steven's was quite well handled which was on par for the story he left in really. Sara and Katarina were good exits as it proved no companion was safe.

Victoria's I thought was unusual as it was drawn out over several minutes rather than tacked on just at the end which was a neat contrast to Sarah's and Tegan's, which was more abrupt. Zoe and Jamie's was quite sad too in a way as it was not only the end of an era but a whole decade and the whole regular cast were going in one swoop which is still unusual.

70's companions aside from those mentioned above didn't fare that much better at times. Liz and Romana 1 disappeared without trace. Jo had a good exit but as has been mentioned, Leela's was just dreadful. Romana 2 and K9 just waltzed off into E-Space and Harry was just left behind just to come back unnecessarily for one story.

80's, I think the exits got better. Adric's was good. I hated Peri's, even though it was false but at least it was dramatic. Nyssa's was low key, perhaps in tandem with her character. Turlough's was a tad disappointing considering how he started and Kamelion, less said the better!

Mel's, though well written was too cheesy and it's a shame we never saw an Ace exit though I know one was planned had Season 27 gone ahead.

New Series, Rose's is still the best for me though Donna's is not far behind. Thought Martha's was low key for the New series and Amy and Rory's I never did find that dramatic due to the nature of the episode they went out in.

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Old 07-11-2013, 10:23
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Old Who exits varied. I can't think of any genuinely good ones. I guess Sarah's kinda qualifies, but even that was slightly undermined years later when The Doc took pretty much anyone to Gallifrey. Plus, why did she have to leave permanently anyway? He couldn't have just dropped her off home or back at Unit, did whatever needed doing on Galiifrey and then came back to get her (which I guess was sort of addressed in School Reunion)

The Falling in Love exit was rarely a success. Jo's exit was poignant and touching, but also a tat creepy with the whole marriage proposal thing. They'd known each other how long, a week? Two? Still, it was more plausible than Leela falling for Captain Plank.

I didn't like either of Peri's endings, or Adric's either for that matter. If you're gonna kill a character off, make it mean something. Plus Adric's death still makes the Doc look a bit callous for just not popping back in the Tardis and picking him up (the Doctor only saw the ship explode, he didn't explicitly see Adric die so there's really no reason why he couldn't have grabbed him before the explosion happened).

In New Who, Rose had a perfect bittersweet exit in Doomsday. That was then utterly ruined by the same writer in Journey's End. And speaking of Journey's End, Donna's exit always seemed unfair. Not because of what happened to her, but because it didn't happen to us too! Seriously, forgetting all of Donna's time in the Tardis sounds good to me.

Martha's goodbye was a little random but OK in itself.

As for Amy and Rory, I think they've had the best exit to date (although Rory was a little underused - it's a shame the scene with the letter to his Dad was never filmed). It's a clever exit too, kind of killing them off but not really, given that they simply lived out their lives, 'happily ever after'. The one problem is that it's perhaps a little too clever, hence everyone immediately pointing out the elephant in the room about why the Doc couldn't just go back and meet Amy and Rory somewhere outside of New York.

There's two ways this could have been resolved. The obvious way would simply be to put a bit more timey-wimey technobabble in there, something that ensured Amy and Rory really were as 'trapped' as Moffat had intended.

The other option, and the one I would have gone with, would have been to have the Doctor reveal to River in their scene in the Tardis that he actually could go back and get them but he knew he needed to let them go and live their lives without him. It was a theme that the show had been teasing throughout series 7 anyway, so it would have made sense.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:04
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Susan's exit seems very irresponsible of the Doctor. To abandon his granddaughter on a planet devestated by a Dalek invasion just because she's developed a teenage crush on some boy after a couple of weeks seems very hard to support as a rational or caring thing to do! Granted the Doctor's leaving speech was touching and well delivered but the whole premise seemed fundamentally flawed.

I wasn't happy about Zoe and Jaime having their memories wiped. It seemed really unnecessary and very sad for them to have no memory of such an incredible and fulfilling time in their lives. It's not like the time lords went back and wiped any of his previous companions' memories. Why pick on them?

I enjoyed Ian and Barabaras departure because they spent some time on it, showing them enjoying their return home.

Probably the first departure I remember from the time rather than from watching DVDs after the fact, was Sarah Jane's. That one stuck with me as being particularly moving and satisfying.

I agree that Leela staying behind on Gallifrey was a bit out of character but at least it meant she and K9 could then become part of the Big Finish Gallifrey audios. I love them in that!

I was very annoyed with Peri's exit. For a start, we never actually saw what happened as what we saw wasn't real and for the time that I thought it was real I thought it sucked! Her falling for the bloodthirsty war lord didn't seem very likely either

I liked Rose's departure. It was powerful stuff. I don't even remember what happened to Martha.

Donna losing her memories was a shame (a bit like Zoe and Jaime, really) but at least it was a bit more necessary.

Amy and Rory's departure was, again, pretty powerful stuff and very heroic and touching but the whole premise that the Doctor can never see them again just never made sense to me so I was never wholly satisfied with it.
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Old 07-11-2013, 13:09
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I loved Adric's exit!
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Old 07-11-2013, 16:09
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Dodo: Poor Dodo. She's taken out of commission halfway through the story, and sends a goodbye not. I really don't understand why they didn't give something that would have had a better sense of closure.

Ben and Polly. It makes sense, they're back in their time period, basically on the day they first left with the Doctor. But it happens in the last few minutes, and they're gone for about half the story, mostly replaced by doppelgangers. It would have been nice if they'd been in it a bit more.

Victoria: I like how it didn't just come out of nowhere. There's about ten minutes left in the story, and Victoria says she would like to stay. The whole thing is very well done, from the last conversation between Jamie and Zoe, to the goodbye at the beach, and the last scene between Jamie and the Doctor. A very well done goodbye.

Jamie and Zoe: Maybe one of my favorite exits, and mostly because of the Doctor's reaction. At first, he's given up, waiting for the Time Lords to pass judgement on him, and then he gives into Jamie and Zoe's pleas to run last time, because it would be their last. Overall, the whole things makes it looks like he knew that it would happen from the star, which makes it all the more sad.

Then he decides to go out defiant to the end, which makes it one of my favorite regeneration scenes.

Liz: From what I've heard, the real reason Liz didn't get a goodbye, was because Caroline John was pregnant. There's really nothing that can be done about that, so I take solace in her very last scene; laughing at the Doctor's and the Brigadier's odd friendship.
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Old 07-11-2013, 16:23
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Liz: From what I've heard, the real reason Liz didn't get a goodbye, was because Caroline John was pregnant.
I believe that same thing happened with Mary Tamm - her contract wasn't renewed due to her pregnancy and we had that awful regeneration scene at the start of the next season.
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Old 07-11-2013, 16:54
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susan - diddnt know her really -hartnell
jamie and zoe- same here-troughton
lizz,,jo,sarah-liz didnt care for , jo same , sarah was the best -pertwee
sarah,leela,k9,romana 1 and 2, adric, teegan andd nyssa-tbaker-best leaving was leela as she gott on with her life
teegan,nyssa and adric and turlough and peri-best leavingg got to say though sad was adric ok he was killed bbut he belived in what he had to do-p davison
peri and mel-c baker -peri married brain blessed thats goodd issnt ittt ? eh no!
mel and ace-s mcoy-i say ace asi dont knoww how she leeft and was an early rose
grace-p mcgann -decided ttto get on with her life thats good as i found her zzzzzzz
rose-c eccleston- left wwith dt so no exit forr ce era
donna rose and martha,jack harkness-dt-best exit was martha as she gott out !
amy,rory,river,clara-got to say though she turns up again , clara as u is it for the dr , matt's rose if you like
pp capadlli -none yet ?
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Old 07-11-2013, 17:00
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Hey Tinny, you've still got that sticky keyboard haven't you?

Interesting that you think Leela had a good exit as she got on with her life. I agree with this, although I feel that it was written very poorly. But I think we're in a minority as most people think Leela had a rotten exit...
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Old 07-11-2013, 17:06
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Hey Tinny, you've still got that sticky keyboard haven't you?

Interesting that you think Leela had a good exit as she got on with her life. I agree with this, although I feel that it was written very poorly. But I think we're in a minority as most people think Leela had a rotten exit...
It's too long ago for me to remember the specifics but I just didn't find her falling for a Gallifreyan and wanting to settle down particularly credible!

Considering that Grace was due to be Paul McGann's companion if it went to a series I'm not sure we ever saw a leaving scene, as such.

We certainly never saw a leaving scene for Ace. She was still with the Doctor when Doctor Who went off air and wasn't with him by the time of the Movie. For all we know she never left but lived with him for the next 70 years and died of old age! Knowing Ace, I somehow doubt it, though
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Old 07-11-2013, 20:57
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I thought Amy and Rory's exit would've been a lot more powerful if they had just fallen off the building to erase the paradox.

The whole "oh, everything is OK now, no more worries in the world, we can continue things as if back to normal...........................whu-oh.....wait a minute, another last minute threat!" really undid their ending for me.

Basically falling off a building to save the universe would've been a lot more shocking and powerful than being sent back in time to die as old people, particularly as within 2 mins of it happening we all were thinking of many valid reasons of how The Doctor could go back and rescue them anyway.
But maybe, like Adric, he'd just had enough of them so decided not to bother
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Old 07-11-2013, 23:37
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I thought Amy and Rory's exit would've been a lot more powerful if they had just fallen off the building to erase the paradox.
Yes, but, by definition, if you erase a paradox then you are hitting the big reset button back to before the events of the paradox. So just falling to their deaths and being dead wouldn't make sense. It was a leap of faith, not a leap of suicide.

In any case, I hate it when characters I like are killed off. I can just about accept it in stirring emotional dramas where you expect that sort of thing but I watch Doctor Who for some escapist fun and that's not fun.
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Old 08-11-2013, 00:27
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We certainly never saw a leaving scene for Ace. She was still with the Doctor when Doctor Who went off air and wasn't with him by the time of the Movie. For all we know she never left but lived with him for the next 70 years and died of old age! Knowing Ace, I somehow doubt it, though
In Sarah Jane Adventures, Sarah Jane told Clyde and Rani about some of the former companions she'd found about. One was Ace, who was running charities. If we accept SJA, then Ace did at some stage part company with the Doctor and return to present-day Earth.
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Old 14-11-2013, 01:56
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Jo: Another sudden marriage departure, but I find that I'm okay with it, and at least there's some setup in a previous story, with Jo saying that maybe she'd like to stay on Earth for a bit. I'm not even bothered by the sudden proposal from Cliff since Jo always struck me as the type who fell in love easily. What really makes this one for me is the Doctor, slipping out of the party unnoticed, and silently driving off into the night.

Harry: I really wished Harry's goodbye was more than a simple "well see you later". I really liked him, and the Four-Sarah-Harry trio is one of my favorite combinations, so I was disappointed that there wasn't more too it.

Sarah Jane: I generally don't like departures that come out of nowhere, but I felt that this one was handled very well. It felt very natural, not at all forced, but just perfect. What makes it all the more sweeter was that it was actually written by Tom Baker and Elisabeth Sladen.

Leela and K9: I really don't get it. Leela goes off to marry a guy who she had only a few scene with, and takes the dog. From what I've heard, Louise Jameson had wanted Leela to be killed, fighting a Sontaran in order to protect the Doctor. That would have been a tragic, but fitting, end for Leela.

For K9, as far as I can guess, they'd originally planed to have him leave, but then decided that was a bad idea. They couldn't re-shoot Leela's scene so she doesn't take K9 with her, and just filmed one with Four about to build another.

Romana 1/2 and K9. It would have been nice to see a proper regeneration for Romana; Mary Tamm was willing to film one, but sadly never got a call. Bit of a disappointment.

Her final departure, while I do feel is a bit rushed, does seem fitting. Several stories prior, she says that she doesn't want to go back to Gallifrey, and what better way then to go off into another dimension?

Still would have liked something a bit more for K9 though.
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