[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by dearmrman

Not really with the Iphone, plenty of phones on the market, that do everything that you have mentioned, and possibly better.

So why pay that much, when there are for more cheaper options available? Purely for a name/fashion.

So if the question is "why do people buy iPhones?" the only answer you can think of is "purely for a name / fashion"?

Seriously?

What about they prefer the design?

What about they prefer the build quality?

What about they prefer iOS?

What about they have a Mac, and like the way everything syncs without any fuss?

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by finbaar

How, in 2013 do Apple get away with selling a "top end" phone with a low resolution 4" screen? Why would anyone settle for third best? They could esily fit a bigger high resolution screen in the same body as I fully understand why people want a smaller phone. Mind you why does every smaller screened Android phone have to be crap. I'm looking at you Samsung. Even the Moto X has only a 720p screen.

Which iPhone has a low res screen?

Not the highest resolution does not equal low resolution.

326 DPI on a 4" display can hardly be described a "low resolution".

[dearmrman]

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Originally Posted by corf

Its not for name or fashion. Its about the useability and ecosystem. There was previously an advantage for iOS regarding its ecosystem and once your embedded in an ecosystem its easier to stay put.

The iPhone has been a great product over the years, while any advantage it may have once had has long gone, its doesn't mean its going to shed its customers overnight. Especially if they also have an iPad in the ecosystem.

Of course it is, to dismiss that as a reason is wrong. As I have said I know several people with Iphones totally for that reason.

I am not saying that everybody buys the phone for that reason, but people do.

Why do people buy designer clothes it certainly isn't usually because they are better quality (probably far from it), they buy them for the name and fashion.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

My point wasn't complicated.

You as always added arms and legs on to it and questioned every part of it because you cant for a second believe someone would question anything apple said. So indeed you did.

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It was simply that there is a world of difference between people preferring a screen size that they find more comfortable with one hand, to screen sizes they think are too big for that.

You are insinuating that people are contradicting themselves. But as long as people find the screen size (be it 3.5" or 4") to be comfortable for one handed use, then there is no contradiction.

How the hell would you know? Did you read the posts from the people who said this? Did you speak to the people i know that said it? Did you read the millions of forum and blog posts saying the same thing?

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I also think you have a habit of misinterpreting people. For example, if people post that a feature isn't a deal breaker for them, that's not the same as them saying that feature has no use. They would be strawmen.

I'm misinterpreting? Haha!! So i'm misinterpreting what jobs and cook said which i see you conveniently ignored!!

Even faced with facts you still prattle a load of utter bollocks. You are nothing but a bloody troll on here.

As always i await the rude bit....

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Thanks - in the context it was used it almost seemed as though the definition was more like:

"Anyone who owns an iPhone"

No it didn't.

This is where you always fall down. You misinterpret everything on here.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

So if the question is "why do people buy iPhones?" the only answer you can think of is "purely for a name / fashion"?

Seriously?

What about they prefer the design?

What about they prefer the build quality?

What about they prefer iOS?

What about they have a Mac, and like the way everything syncs without any fuss?

So you are denying there are people who just buy it because its apple?

Seriously?

[calico_pie]

I'm disagreeing that the only reason people buy it is because its Apple, as suggested in post 48.

There does seem to be a reluctance on the part of some people to accept that some people just have different tastes and preferences. To the point where the only explanation that makes sense is the idea that people who buy iPhones just don't know any better, and wouldn't buy them if only they did.

I'd be surprised if many people buy then just because its Apple. Or if they do, I guess its a happy coincidence that they happen to get a very good phone.

[dearmrman]

It is a good phone, but if it wasn't for the Apple logo would probably be about £150-£200 less. But Apple know that people will buy them, so can charge a nice high figure and laugh all the way to the bank.

[Mark in Essex]

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Originally Posted by thebtman

Hi,

Well the copy paste ones for a start. How do I copy a tweet?

How do I copy/paste at all?

I agree re the closed nature of iOS - it's why when I can't jailbreak I will probably jump ship completely.

Ubuntu desktop when it fully emerges might convince me too.....

I think you will find Android and Windows mobile had copy and paste years before the iPhone.

Was copy and paste only made available on the iPhone a couple of years ago?

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

I'm disagreeing that the only reason people buy it is because its Apple, as suggested in post 48.

There does seem to be a reluctance on the part of some people to accept that some people just have different tastes and preferences. To the point where the only explanation that makes sense is the idea that people who buy iPhones just don't know any better, and wouldn't buy them if only they did.

I'd be surprised if many people buy then just because its Apple. Or if they do, I guess its a happy coincidence that they happen to get a very good phone.

And you seem to have a reluctance to understand that some people do indeed buy the iphone because of the brand. I'm not saying they all do it, but a lot do.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by dearmrman

It is a good phone, but if it wasn't for the Apple logo would probably be about £150-£200 less. But Apple know that people will buy them, so can charge a nice high figure and laugh all the way to the bank.

Because of the logo, or because they like it enough to pay the price? That's not the same as buying it because of the logo on it.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

And you seem to have a reluctance to understand that some people do indeed buy the iphone because of the brand. I'm not saying they all do it, but a lot do.

That's a bit woolly really.

If someone buys an iPhone because they think its going to be a good product based on their experience and knowledge of Apple products, is that would you would describe as "buying it because of the brand"?

(Feel free to swap iPhone and Apple in the above for any product and company - I say this as a general principle and is not limited to Apple.)

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's a bit woolly really.

If someone buys an iPhone because they think its going to be a good product based on their experience and knowledge of Apple products, is that would you would describe as "buying it because of the brand"?

(Feel free to swap iPhone and Apple in the above for any product and company - I say this as a general principle and is not limited to Apple.)

It's not wooly at all.

RIght. Let me explain this one last time.

There are people i know personally and spoken too on forums etc who buy things just because they are apple. It's nothing to do with it being a good product. Even if it was the worst product of all time they would still buy it simply because they see an apple logo.

Now to be honest, you can dismiss this as much as you like, but since you're a bit of an apple nut yourself, i don't really expect you to get it!!

[dearmrman]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Because of the logo, or because they like it enough to pay the price? That's not the same as buying it because of the logo on it.

Either way it makes no difference, you are paying an over inflated premium for the product, you are buying into a lifestyle that Apple promote, really it is good marketing on Apple's part.

Give the people something they think is cool, build it of a good standard, then lets add an extra £200.00.

Really if Apple put a logo on Sh*t and marketed it, I bet you people would buy it, wonder what they would call it, the Ipoo. And then they would claim that they have revolutionised it, a fresh new take on an existing product.

Apple do make good products, but that little logo does cost you extra, you must see that.

[thebtman]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's a bit woolly really.

If someone buys an iPhone because they think its going to be a good product based on their experience and knowledge of Apple products, is that would you would describe as "buying it because of the brand"?

(Feel free to swap iPhone and Apple in the above for any product and company - I say this as a general principle and is not limited to Apple.)

I would agree completely. My contemplation of switching from Apple is a carefully considered weigh up of the pros and cons and nothing to do with brand.

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It's not wooly at all.

RIght. Let me explain this one last time.

There are people i know personally and spoken too on forums etc who buy things just because they are apple. It's nothing to do with it being a good product. Even if it was the worst product of all time they would still buy it simply because they see an apple logo.

Now to be honest, you can dismiss this as much as you like, but since you're a bit of an apple nut yourself, i don't really expect you to get it!!

I think we can all concede there are stupid people in the world, but in the interests of not appearing stupid, ignorant and arrogant, lets assume everyone in this thread isn't stupid...

Liking an Apple product may for some just be about brand, but for most its about the way it works, feels... and design. I would say that's probably true for 99% of purchase decisions.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by dearmrman

Either way it makes no difference, you are paying an over inflated premium for the product, you are buying into a lifestyle that Apple promote, really it is good marketing on Apple's part.

Give the people something they think is cool, build it of a good standard, then lets add an extra £200.00.

Really if Apple put a logo on Sh*t and marketed it, I bet you people would buy it, wonder what they would call it, the Ipoo. And then they would claim that they have revolutionised it, a fresh new take on an existing product.

Apple do make good products, but that little logo does cost you extra, you must see that.

Re BIB - Utter crap. Literally.

Even if they can command a premium price, that's not the same as people paying for the brand. They are just as likely to buy Apple products because they associate the brand with good quality products. You can't, as they say, polish a turd.

Take BMW - do people buy BMW's because of the logo, or do they buy them because of BMW's good reputation for quality cars?

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It's not wooly at all.

RIght. Let me explain this one last time.

There are people i know personally and spoken too on forums etc who buy things just because they are apple. It's nothing to do with it being a good product. Even if it was the worst product of all time they would still buy it simply because they see an apple logo.

Now to be honest, you can dismiss this as much as you like, but since you're a bit of an apple nut yourself, i don't really expect you to get it!!

I'm going to agree with thebtman above - supposing there are people that dumb, they almost certainly make up a small minority.

I suspect in cases you mention its down to your (mis)interpretation. I suspect its entirely your conclusion that "it has nothing to do with it being a good product". Put it this way - has anyone ever said to you:

When I buy an Apple product, I only buy it because it is made by Apple with an Apple logo on it, and I don't care if its good or not, and I don't care if I like it or not.

I might, for example, say I buy things because they are made by Apple.

But if I do, I don't mean I'm buying them purely because they have an Apple logo on them.

I mean because my expectation is that it will be a quality product, and that I have a pretty good idea from experience that I will like the way they look, feel, operate etc.

When people say they buy something "because its Apple" don't take it quite so literally.

[flagpole]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

I'm going to agree with thebtman above - supposing there are people that dumb, they almost certainly make up a small minority.

I suspect in cases you mention its down to your (mis)interpretation. I suspect its entirely your conclusion that "it has nothing to do with it being a good product". Put it this way - has anyone ever said to you:

When I buy an Apple product, I only buy it because it is made by Apple with an Apple logo on it, and I don't care if its good or not, and I don't care if I like it or not.

I might, for example, say I buy things because they are made by Apple.

But if I do, I don't mean I'm buying them purely because they have an Apple logo on them.

I mean because my expectation is that it will be a quality product, and that I have a pretty good idea from experience that I will like the way they look, feel, operate etc.

When people say they buy something "because its Apple" don't take it quite so literally.

that is what people mean when they say the iSheep would buy an iTurd.

it is not meant literally. they don't literally mean you would buy anything with an apple logo on it. they are not actually referring to the logo. for logo read that they mean that you over trust of the brand. and you would buy an iTurd because of that.

you would then bang on about the intangible qualities that make it better than a regular shit which justify it being twice the price. and refuse to listen to reason. apple brand loyalty is like love with some people.

[dearmrman]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Re BIB - Utter crap. Literally.

Even if they can command a premium price, that's not the same as people paying for the brand. They are just as likely to buy Apple products because they associate the brand with good quality products. You can't, as they say, polish a turd.

Take BMW - do people buy BMW's because of the logo, or do they buy them because of BMW's good reputation for quality cars?

It is not a premium price though, it is an over price, a rip off if you like. Apple will love customers like you willing to pay top dollar for an over priced product. The premium element only comes into it, because it is a lifestyle brand, an aspiration, not the quality of the product or the price.

Again I am not saying Apple products aren't good, they are..but you are paying a lot more for it than you should be. But if you think it is value for money then all is good, I am not bothered one way or the other that you are getting ripped off, and falling for clever marketing ploys, that make the price justifiable, and then you have to justify it yourself, by sticking up for Apple at every opportunity.

[calico_pie]

In your opinion. Another opinion might be that the better quality over a lot of other products is entirely tangible.

So are you back at anyone who buys an Apple product is an idiot?

[Viridiana]

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Originally Posted by thebtman

Been installing some kit for a customer as as part of that kit we used a Sony Xperia SP.

Can't get over what a good phone it is for £230, my new iPhone is feeling really dated now, even compared to this relatively cheap phone. The clunky home button and lack of connectivity options and general closed off nature of the software are also quite annoying. Not too mention the over pricing and in the latest form the poor build quality.

LOL. What can we say? I strongly recommend you buy another phone then.
This threads are getting more unbelievable by the minute.

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

I'm going to agree with thebtman above - supposing there are people that dumb, they almost certainly make up a small minority.

I suspect in cases you mention its down to your (mis)interpretation. I suspect its entirely your conclusion that "it has nothing to do with it being a good product". Put it this way - has anyone ever said to you:

When I buy an Apple product, I only buy it because it is made by Apple with an Apple logo on it, and I don't care if its good or not, and I don't care if I like it or not.

I might, for example, say I buy things because they are made by Apple.

But if I do, I don't mean I'm buying them purely because they have an Apple logo on them.

I mean because my expectation is that it will be a quality product, and that I have a pretty good idea from experience that I will like the way they look, feel, operate etc.

When people say they buy something "because its Apple" don't take it quite so literally.

Yeah. I forgot. As always, everyone else is wrong and you are correct again....

I do apologise.....

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

In your opinion. Another opinion might be that the better quality over a lot of other products is entirely tangible.

So are you back at anyone who buys an Apple product is an idiot?

Yet they are not any better quality wise at all.

[KieranDS]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

And you seem to have a reluctance to understand that some people do indeed buy the iphone because of the brand. I'm not saying they all do it, but a lot do.

This trend of "buying for the brand" is not mutually exclusive to Apple products. It happens with every major and successful company in existence.

[neo_wales]

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Originally Posted by thebtman

I understand all that, and I know about long press, but it doesn't work in Android.

I just find the copy/paste method better in iOS...

Yes have heard that....one device for everything sounds good. At the moment my entire Library (My Documents, Music etc etc) is in the cloud, so lack of hard drive wouldn't bother me too much, but lack of I/o capability and windows compatibility would be a problem

If you have a spare Nex might be worth giving it a go?

It will be bothersome when you/we get a prolonged internet failure and its bound to happen sooner of later. Hard drives are cheap as chips this days, back up, back up the backup then feel safe with cloud storage for daily use.

Back to the original question, people change phones, my son in law was an apple fan then tried a galaxy then dumped the apple at end of contract for the better phone. People do change brands, loose brand loyalty.