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O2 UK Results
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clewsy
31-07-2015
Originally Posted by jaffboy151:
“If O2 and Vodafone's smart phone figures start to rise and reach simular levels to those of EE and three, does anyone have an idea how there network will cope with the extra demand?
I'm wondering this as due to the general low levels of investments in 3g over the years and the fact that they use a lower frequency for 2g and are doing largely for 4g meaning they tend to have fewer masts covering larger areas?
I know Vodafone have 2600mhz but if they don't have enough masts in the area to spread the load surely the higher numbers will start to cause problems soon?”

Exactly and I think this is the case now in the city centres as its all grinding to a hault at busy times.
Thine Wonk
02-08-2015
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Well this is the problem as the market is saturated really now, so growth will only come through discounting to obtain customers.

Great for the consumer, not so good for the networks. The 4g factor was planned to add value, but that failed in many cases. EE probably are having limited success with getting some premium from it.

This is why the three / o2 should not be allowed as it will just kill competition and drive up prices.”

The fixed / mobile convergence and internet of things market is growing massively though, with business now really starting to work out new ways of using data. Every street light, traffic light, Taxi and parcel van will likely have a 4G connection over the next decade.

To me 4G was never about much over the DC-HSPA networks that Three and EE already had, it didn't really enable 1 single thing to happen that the consumer couldn't do before, but it does have a lot of carrier and capacity benefits.

I'm still waiting for the outcry of people desperate to get 50Mb/s mobile speeds outside the audience of limited forum websites or tech nerds, (that isn't meant as an insult as it probably includes me).
DevonBloke
02-08-2015
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“The fixed / mobile convergence and internet of things market is growing massively though, with business now really starting to work out new ways of using data. Every street light, traffic light, Taxi and parcel van will likely have a 4G connection over the next decade.

To me 4G was never about much over the DC-HSPA networks that Three and EE already had, it didn't really enable 1 single thing to happen that the consumer couldn't do before, but it does have a lot of carrier and capacity benefits.

I'm still waiting for the outcry of people desperate to get 50Mb/s mobile speeds outside the audience of limited forum websites or tech nerds, (that isn't meant as an insult as it probably includes me).”

It does have the ability to do WC to VoLTE (and vise versa) handoff and of course will do VoLTE AMR WB pretty soon. Power will increase and then the true advantage over 3G will be seen.
Not insulted, I'm one too. I STILL have 1.7Mbps fixed and 15Mbps cellular.
Gotta get better soon....
jchamier
02-08-2015
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I'm still waiting for the outcry of people desperate to get 50Mb/s mobile speeds outside the audience of limited forum websites or tech nerds, (that isn't meant as an insult as it probably includes me).”

Whilst i'm interested in high speeds for the new opportunities they create, its the increase in capacity (ie, getting rid of the 3G 'stalls' in apps) that is the best thing about LTE (4G) for me.

So everyone can have a smartphone (e.g. Three's 98% number) and the network can cope.

This is where the £40 4G capable handsets that Vodafone and EE are offering are amazing.
japaul
12-10-2015
Giffgaff is still growing.

Customer numbers for 2014 (we only get them once a year) show that their customer base at 31/12/2014 was 1.593m, an increase of 394,000 compared with the end of 2013.
Redcoat
12-10-2015
Originally Posted by japaul:
“Giffgaff is still growing.

Customer numbers for 2014 (we only get them once a year) show that their customer base at 31/12/2014 was 1.593m, an increase of 394,000 compared with the end of 2013.”

I'm going to speculate that they haven't really done much to increase their data backhaul speeds to cope with the increased customer base. The last few late nights I'm able to hit somewhere between 2-6Mbps download speed via 3G with giffgaff with one occasion hitting almost 20.5Mbps! (albeit at 3.30am!) but afternoon & early evening hours are still rotten at <0.5Mbps.
clewsy
12-10-2015
Well isnt it o2 back haul that is behind GG? Surly this should have got better with all these new masts and the move to 4g? I guess it does depend how many more custoemrs o2 and Tesco are wacking on the network as well though.
blueacid
13-10-2015
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Well isnt it o2 back haul that is behind GG? Surly this should have got better with all these new masts and the move to 4g? I guess it does depend how many more custoemrs o2 and Tesco are wacking on the network as well though.”

I think it's also the case that Giffgaff simply buy an aggregate link for all their customers data usage, and it's this link which is congested. The local masts might well support more speed, but the congestion is (strangely) elsewhere in the chain.
Redcoat
13-10-2015
Originally Posted by blueacid:
“I think it's also the case that Giffgaff simply buy an aggregate link for all their customers data usage, and it's this link which is congested. The local masts might well support more speed, but the congestion is (strangely) elsewhere in the chain.”

Yeah - doing speed tests at (roughly) the same time between giffgaff, Lycamobile & O2 itself against an O2 cell site gives quite a variation. I suspect that for my local O2 cell site, giffgaff has a "total" link capacity of 20Mbps down and up shared between all its customers using the cell.
japaul
06-11-2015
Latest results for O2. Customer totals exclude machine to machine.


O2 UK results for the quarter ending September 2015 (2015 Jul-Sep). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Apr-Jun) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Jul-Sep).

Mobile Service Revenue: £1075m (2015 Apr-Jun: £1050m, 2014 Jul-Sep: £1104m)

Mobile Customers (Total): 22.751m (2015 Jun: 22.582m, 2014 Sep: 21.969m)
Mobile Customers (Prepay): 10.823m (2015 Jun: 10.793m, 2014 Sep: 10.658m)
Mobile customers (Contract): 11.928m (2015 Jun: 11.789m, 2014 Sep: 11.311m)

4G Customers: 6.632m (2015 Jun: 5.770m, 2014 Sep: 2.996m)

Smartphone Penetration: 50.6% (2015 Jun: 49.9%, 2014 Sep: 50.5%)
Gigabit
06-11-2015
A whole 50.6% smartphone penetration! Wow!
Everything Goes
06-11-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“A whole 50.6% smartphone penetration! Wow!”

Yes they have got above 50% again. Wonder if it will go back down again? O2 the Old Dears network
Gigabit
06-11-2015
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“Yes they have got above 50% again. Wonder if it will go back down again? O2 the Old Dears network ”

It was wavejock.
japaul
06-11-2015
They did reach the dizzy heights of 52% smartphone penetration at the end of last year!

Still, O2 continues to pump in the performances quarter upon quarter. There's something there that will be lost if and when the brand disappears.
Thine Wonk
06-11-2015
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“A whole 50.6% smartphone penetration! Wow!”

I keep rubbing my eyes and checking that figure every quarter and gasp as the fact it just isn't growing.

How is that even possible? just HOW?
japaul
06-11-2015
O2 also said 4G coverage (outdoor pop) had reached 78%.
lightspeed2398
06-11-2015
Originally Posted by japaul:
“O2 also said 4G coverage (outdoor pop) had reached 78%.”

I presume then Vodafone will be roughly the same as that?
japaul
06-11-2015
Should be although O2 have tended to quote figures a point or two ahead of Vodafone. We'll know on Tuesday.
japaul
26-02-2016
Latest from O2. Customer totals exclude machine to machine.


O2 UK results for the quarter ending December 2015 (2015 Oct-Dec). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Jul-Sep) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Oct-Dec).

Mobile Service Revenue: £1045m (2015 Jul-Sep: £1075m, 2014 Oct-Dec: £1073m)

Mobile Customers (Total): 22.635m (2015 Sep: 22.751m, 2014 Dec: 22.287m)
Mobile Customers (Prepay): 10.561m (2015 Sep: 10.823m, 2014 Dec: 10.761m)
Mobile customers (Contract): 12.074m (2015 Sep: 11.928m, 2014 Dec: 11.526m)

4G Customers: 7.662m (2015 Sep: 6.632m, 2014 Dec: 4.122m)

Smartphone Penetration: 60.4% (2015 Sep: 50.6%, 2014 Dec: 52.1%)
interactiv-uk
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by japaul:
“Latest from O2. Customer totals exclude machine to machine.


O2 UK results for the quarter ending December 2015 (2015 Oct-Dec). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Jul-Sep) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Oct-Dec).

Mobile Service Revenue: £1045m (2015 Jul-Sep: £1075m, 2014 Oct-Dec: £1073m)

Mobile Customers (Total): 22.635m (2015 Sep: 22.751m, 2014 Dec: 22.287m)
Mobile Customers (Prepay): 10.561m (2015 Sep: 10.823m, 2014 Dec: 10.761m)
Mobile customers (Contract): 12.074m (2015 Sep: 11.928m, 2014 Dec: 11.526m)

4G Customers: 7.662m (2015 Sep: 6.632m, 2014 Dec: 4.122m)

Smartphone Penetration: 60.4% (2015 Sep: 50.6%, 2014 Dec: 52.1%)”

Quite a drop in revenue and total base since last quarter! Has the foot been taken off the gas with the upcoming potential takeover??

Nice increase in smartphone penetration though!
lightspeed2398
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by japaul:
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Smartphone Penetration: 60.4% (2015 Sep: 50.6%, 2014 Dec: 52.1%)”

10% jump since September! Wow that's a lot. Only reason I can think off the top of my head is Christmas?
jonmorris
26-02-2016
More contract customers, less prepay.

I suppose it's hard to buy anything other than a smartphone on contract today - and a lot of people on prepay have perhaps left or are being discounted after a lack of usage for months/years (think of all those 2G phones in a glovebox for emergencies).

It doesn't mean O2 has actually managed to do anything particularly amazing. As every year passes, there are less non-smartphones to buy.

I wonder how much data is used though, and if that will see a big increase as the network is upgraded so even 2G and 3G users can actually consume data, let alone those on 4G?
joeluken
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by japaul:
“Latest from O2. Customer totals exclude machine to machine.


O2 UK results for the quarter ending December 2015 (2015 Oct-Dec). Comparatives are with the previous quarter (2015 Jul-Sep) and the same quarter a year ago (2014 Oct-Dec).

Mobile Service Revenue: £1045m (2015 Jul-Sep: £1075m, 2014 Oct-Dec: £1073m)

Mobile Customers (Total): 22.635m (2015 Sep: 22.751m, 2014 Dec: 22.287m)
Mobile Customers (Prepay): 10.561m (2015 Sep: 10.823m, 2014 Dec: 10.761m)
Mobile customers (Contract): 12.074m (2015 Sep: 11.928m, 2014 Dec: 11.526m)

4G Customers: 7.662m (2015 Sep: 6.632m, 2014 Dec: 4.122m)

Smartphone Penetration: 60.4% (2015 Sep: 50.6%, 2014 Dec: 52.1%)”


Interesting. Do the O2 UK subscriber numbers include its (Telefonica UK) wholly owned subsidiaries such as giffgaff ?
japaul
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by interactiv-uk:
“Quite a drop in revenue and total base since last quarter! Has the foot been taken off the gas with the upcoming potential takeover??”

O2 have been very good at maintaining their prepaid base whilst still growing contract strongly but Q4 prepaid seems to show a blip in O2's normally exemplary performance. I wouldn't ascribe that to the takeover based on just one quarter but it must be a distraction for them.
japaul
26-02-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
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I wonder how much data is used though, and if that will see a big increase as the network is upgraded so even 2G and 3G users can actually consume data, let alone those on 4G?”

Data traffic in Q4 2015 was 45PB, up from 28PB in Q4 2014.

As a comparison, the figure for Vodafone in the same period was 37PB, up from 19PB in Q4 2014.
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