What I want to know is this apart from releases of future redicoveries, is there any chance of any future special editions/animated recontructions for digital release at least?

Also why did they not delay the releases of The Web of Fear and The Enemy of the World to add some half-decent speical features (such as how the episodes where found) and (unless the rumours about Web 3 are correct) a animated recontruction of The Web of Fear?

Because there would have been a bigger chance of the info leaking out.

There is quite a few reasons why there are no extras on enemy and web and no animation for web 3.

1. Dan hall and pup ltd contracts had ran out and weren't renewed. Dan and pupltd were the ones that commisioned animation and extras for the previous releases.

2. The acquirement and restoration costs was half a million quid for web and enemy. In comparison a classic who dvd normally has a budget of less than a tenth of that with extras

3. The extras on the DVDs are seen as incentives for those that bought the VHS. As they weren't released on VHS the eps themselves are seen as the incentive.

If they had given extras I bet you it would have leaked sooner.

But as I said there is more to it than just leaking of episodes.

Half a million? Really? Woah. That explains a bit. I still hope that they release a Special Edition version later with animation for the missing episode (and some extras). I would buy it twice in order to help out the BBC in this case.

Wow, didn't know that. I assumed from what I've heard, both were actually in pretty good nick when found so not much work was required, and possibly even less than some of the more challenging ones they already had(?) If so, how much of this was then spent on acquirement rights I wonder?

Can I ask how you know this, is it accurate & your source?

If correct & the cost of acquirement was pretty high (a fair chunk of this cost), I'm wondering... and don't get me wrong, I think Philip Morris has done us all a big favour in recovering EotW & WoF, if there are lots of missing episodes that have actually been recovered, maybe a lot of the hold up has been down to price?
Like what about possibly this:
Okay for a teaser, we'll buy/ restore a couple of stories & release for the 50th anniversary, & also to test the market/ see how well they do. Now, we want the remaining lot.
So maybe its down to price & why we are still in the dark, & the fact the release of EotW (not the most sort after missing story) did better than expected? hmm

Steve Roberts of the restorationn team mentioned it in an interview a couple of weeks back so id say I'm sure its genuine. Id assume getting the eps would be a huge chunk of the budget.

No, he mentioned the cost of the specific equipment that was utilised in transferring the prints for BBC Worldwide, not the cost of being able to access and use the equipment which would obviously be much, much lower.

I believe that was when people were again claiming that the lack of information from the Restoration Team was because TIEA were secretly carrying out restoration work all by themselves. The quoted figure quickly blew that one out of the water.

Seriously, if it cost half-a-million to get Enemy and Web into a state ready for DVD release, BBC Worldwide wouldn't have touched the project with a ten-foot bargepole. And rightly so.

More than now, there are rumours all over the place...

If the info leaked out, it would have been including as part of those rumours...

If they where that concerned, then they should havve delayed it and started work after the itunes release...

How. Its all they are worried about.

I see, howecver would itune sales and the PR comepensate for that?


Well they where already released on itunes in the first place, so ther would have been enough incentive anyway...

Can itunes releases come with extras (I don't buy movies and tv series from itunes)?

Having noticed your username I am now going to think of it when someone says 'a reliable source tell us..'

As I've already said Dan hall and pup ltd (who normally produce extras and animation for the range) contracts had ran out and weren't renewed. That would also be a factor in no extras for enemy and web.

All the BBC worries about is people finding out stuff before its released. Well maybe they should tell us by now whats going on.

Maybe discussions are still ongoing that's why they can't reveal at this point in time.

What discussions. You mean like when they got pissed that people leaked out Web/Enemy were coming out.

As far as I'm aware Phil was more pissed about it leaking than bbcww were.

But its still the first time enemy/web is available to buy on a physical format. Which was the point I was making.

I just finished watching The Horns of Nimon and it wasn't that bad. I don't know why y'all thought that it was so bad.

I think that I remember watching that one back in the early 1980's as a teenager.

(Full Disclosure: I did have a tankard of wine earlier, but I am sober now.)

Overall, it was fun.

I have used the ITN Source name because it is a archive sales company and I have a interest in archives in general. On this subject I was talking about the TVS archive at first, but I was reluctent to get involved in the Missing Episodes of DW debarcle.

On this matter, I aim to not to repeat rumours but state my views on the subject.

If you are that desperate to see EOTW and WOF, then buy it off itunes, but if you can wait for special features then DVD is wortn wating for, otherwise what is the point?

Not everybody wants to watch it on itunes though. Watching videos on itunes gives me headaches so I certainly don't want to watch it on there. Also not everybody is able or willing to use itunes either. If they had waited to do extras packages for web and enemy we would be looking at least a year to 18 months before we would get those on dvd.

Reading the info above: am i right in my understanding that it DIDN'T cost 500k to get Enemy and Web recovered and released? 500k was the cost of the technology, machinery, etc that has been used and can still be used in future?



Horns is hilarious. Love it. Graham Crowden is glorious and there's so much energy adn fun in that story. Creature from the Pit is great, too, and it's a shame that it's let down by some ratehr shonky production values in some places. A lot oft he rest of the design is excellent (the forest scenes on film, the costumes), and the script is pretty good.


I have no interest in watching the telly on a computer. Especially not when it's "noew" old Who! That really ought to be watched on a drizzly winter night, on the sofa with a G&T. I haven't seen Web yet. I think it is out today ...

Id be careful then im suprised Delcan hasent mouthed off on here and gave a load of shit how its all illegal and crap and how people shouldnt discuss old shows on the net.