Abbey has no previous dance experience, allegedly.
john barrowman got it spot on
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Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“Then obviously Natalie would deserve to go through.
My point is, the only person who has any chance against Natalie imo is Abbey, but she would have to dance the dance of her life and Natalie make an error or two for that to happen.
I totally accept that Natalie is the best dancer on the show. But I do love to see someone, like Abbey, come onto the show with no previous dance experience and discover a talent and a love for dance that she was unaware of previously.”
“Then obviously Natalie would deserve to go through.
My point is, the only person who has any chance against Natalie imo is Abbey, but she would have to dance the dance of her life and Natalie make an error or two for that to happen.
I totally accept that Natalie is the best dancer on the show. But I do love to see someone, like Abbey, come onto the show with no previous dance experience and discover a talent and a love for dance that she was unaware of previously.”
I have a sneaking feeling that as the next couple of weeks unfold, Sophie will replace Abbey as the contender. Simply because Sophie has more slow dances to come where Abbey has the fast ones. Plus we know from last week Sophie has voter support.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“And does he know that Nat is not popular?
No he doesn't.
We only know Abbey and Patrick aren't.
And saying that so nastily and not even remembering who Artem was partnering?
Man's a nasty fool. He's made assumptions that aren't necessarily true - Nat does well in the polls.
And what point did he make about him that anyone with sense can take on board? He's very attractive and people like him because of it.
Same as John then.”
“And does he know that Nat is not popular?
No he doesn't.
We only know Abbey and Patrick aren't.
And saying that so nastily and not even remembering who Artem was partnering?
Man's a nasty fool. He's made assumptions that aren't necessarily true - Nat does well in the polls.
And what point did he make about him that anyone with sense can take on board? He's very attractive and people like him because of it.
Same as John then.”
exactly what I thought when I read the OP. So what John says goes? hmmm. His opinions are no more highly valued or valid than any Tom Dick or Harry's.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I have a sneaking feeling that as the next couple of weeks unfold, Sophie will replace Abbey as the contender. Simply because Sophie has more slow dances to come where Abbey has the fast ones. Plus we know from last week Sophie has voter support.”
“I have a sneaking feeling that as the next couple of weeks unfold, Sophie will replace Abbey as the contender. Simply because Sophie has more slow dances to come where Abbey has the fast ones. Plus we know from last week Sophie has voter support.
”
You could be right. I thought Sophie's jive was horrendous and she was very lucky not to be in the dance off.
It's down to so many variables - what dance you have on the night, what dance the others have on the night, viewer support etc.
I really hope Abbey gets to grips with the Latin as I think she is a gorgeous Ballroom dancer.
Originally Posted by holly berry:
“ITT isn't trying to be too serious. Barrowman is entitled to his opinion and shouldn't be abused for expressing it. Why do some people need to abuse a particular celeb in order to maintain their rose-tinted view of their fave? It's just a silly light entertainment programme that's fun to watch”
“ITT isn't trying to be too serious. Barrowman is entitled to his opinion and shouldn't be abused for expressing it. Why do some people need to abuse a particular celeb in order to maintain their rose-tinted view of their fave? It's just a silly light entertainment programme that's fun to watch”
Well said
Originally Posted by dd23:
“Wow. This thread's turned into a right laugh. As far as I can make out Barrowman was asked to go on to the show and give an opinion and that's what he did.
He didn't say anything nasty about anyone. Some people seem to take any comment about their own favourites personally, which is rather strange as they're really no more than characters in a seasonal soap opera based around dancing.
I seem to recall he was on once before a few seasons back and couldn't have been more dismissive of Anton and whoever he was dancing with then if he'd tried.
I imagine those opinions would have seen him venerated by most on here with people defending his right to say what he thought.
The whole tone of this discussion puts me in mind of Michael Winner, and I really don't like that.”
“Wow. This thread's turned into a right laugh. As far as I can make out Barrowman was asked to go on to the show and give an opinion and that's what he did.
He didn't say anything nasty about anyone. Some people seem to take any comment about their own favourites personally, which is rather strange as they're really no more than characters in a seasonal soap opera based around dancing.
I seem to recall he was on once before a few seasons back and couldn't have been more dismissive of Anton and whoever he was dancing with then if he'd tried.
I imagine those opinions would have seen him venerated by most on here with people defending his right to say what he thought.
The whole tone of this discussion puts me in mind of Michael Winner, and I really don't like that.”
Spot on
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I must admit, when John Barrowman said what he did about Natalie's chances, I had a little open-mouthed "did he really say that?" moment, but I think that is only indicative of how fluffy, often insincere and for-the-love-of-all-that-is-sparkly-let-all-comments-be-positive ITT is.
It was refreshing to hear someone giving a frank opinion for once, whether I agreed with their opinion or not. ITT generally doesn't discuss Strictly in the way we do on these and other forums. John did. I don't see the issue with that.
As for Suggs, I won't attribute anything other than a 'IVETA. IVETA. IVETA. Shit, my mind is numb, what are the contestants' names again?' brain fart, for his naming Dave as the person he would like to win
”
“I must admit, when John Barrowman said what he did about Natalie's chances, I had a little open-mouthed "did he really say that?" moment, but I think that is only indicative of how fluffy, often insincere and for-the-love-of-all-that-is-sparkly-let-all-comments-be-positive ITT is.
It was refreshing to hear someone giving a frank opinion for once, whether I agreed with their opinion or not. ITT generally doesn't discuss Strictly in the way we do on these and other forums. John did. I don't see the issue with that.
As for Suggs, I won't attribute anything other than a 'IVETA. IVETA. IVETA. Shit, my mind is numb, what are the contestants' names again?' brain fart, for his naming Dave as the person he would like to win
”
Well said.
It was refreshing to hear someone who isn't afraid to say what he thinks whether I agree with him or not : I like that
If we're talking subjectivity and objectivity, the OP was being subjective. Saying "spot on" is your opinion so it's not objective. The thread was put up with Barrowman being right - those of us who are disagreeing are saying no it's no spot on. That's all I can see in this thread. Just because I and others are of the view that Barrowman's views aren't right are not being rude, we are being objective.
Originally Posted by edy10:
“Well said.
It was refreshing to hear someone who isn't afraid to say what he thinks whether I agree with him or not : I like that”
“Well said.
It was refreshing to hear someone who isn't afraid to say what he thinks whether I agree with him or not : I like that
”
I like someone to say what they think too . But not to say what I think or anyone else for that matter .Which is what Barrowman did .He spoke for others and not himself .
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“I usually vote for Abbey and Nat some free and some by Phone but tonight I will be voting only for Nat as I cant stand the way some of Abbeys other fans are speaking about Nat.”
“I usually vote for Abbey and Nat some free and some by Phone but tonight I will be voting only for Nat as I cant stand the way some of Abbeys other fans are speaking about Nat.”
How Lovely
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“I like someone to say what they think too . But not to say what I think or anyone else for that matter .Which is what Barrowman did .He spoke for others and not himself .”
“I like someone to say what they think too . But not to say what I think or anyone else for that matter .Which is what Barrowman did .He spoke for others and not himself .”
If you said or think so............shrug.
Originally Posted by edy10:
“How Lovely”
“How Lovely
”
I never thought sarcasm worked very well written down.
The laugh out loud I got from your post has proved me wrong.
Many bravos!!
Ben will probably win. I've said it before, it's a Chris Hollins year. It will be Natalie, Susanna and Ben in the final, and Ben will win purely because public want the underdog to win. Not the best dancer but Mr Nice Guy, The Trier. My brother put money on him when he was 66/1 to win and he's now laughing because it's such a predictable scenario. Dancing doesn't come into it this year.
The only difference is he does not have an adorable partnership with Kristina as Ola did with Chris. Kristina has no discernible personality and they have no connection. It's very much a sportsman-coach arrangement. It's easy to overlook her and focus on her partner away from the dancing because he's a really nice guy (if a bit dull), and when they are performing she always makes it look like he is doing more than he is but people generally don't care because he's sweet. Rose tinted glasses. Their actual partnership however is all about the TROPHY and showing off his body. Kristina really, really WANTS that win. It's her sixth year and she can see this is a huge shot for her even though he's not the best dancer. Who cares that it's a dancing competition, right? Mmmmmm, glitterball and media attention...
Barrowman was not right about Natalie being gone. Shock bottom two maybe, but not out of the competition for obvious reasons *cough*judges*cough*. And he was wrong that Ben is an exceptional dancer. But he is probably dead on about Ben winning because all of the pieces are in place. Fairytale SCD ending for Mr Nice Guy.
The only difference is he does not have an adorable partnership with Kristina as Ola did with Chris. Kristina has no discernible personality and they have no connection. It's very much a sportsman-coach arrangement. It's easy to overlook her and focus on her partner away from the dancing because he's a really nice guy (if a bit dull), and when they are performing she always makes it look like he is doing more than he is but people generally don't care because he's sweet. Rose tinted glasses. Their actual partnership however is all about the TROPHY and showing off his body. Kristina really, really WANTS that win. It's her sixth year and she can see this is a huge shot for her even though he's not the best dancer. Who cares that it's a dancing competition, right? Mmmmmm, glitterball and media attention...
Barrowman was not right about Natalie being gone. Shock bottom two maybe, but not out of the competition for obvious reasons *cough*judges*cough*. And he was wrong that Ben is an exceptional dancer. But he is probably dead on about Ben winning because all of the pieces are in place. Fairytale SCD ending for Mr Nice Guy.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I have a sneaking feeling that as the next couple of weeks unfold, Sophie will replace Abbey as the contender. Simply because Sophie has more slow dances to come where Abbey has the fast ones. Plus we know from last week Sophie has voter support.”
“I have a sneaking feeling that as the next couple of weeks unfold, Sophie will replace Abbey as the contender. Simply because Sophie has more slow dances to come where Abbey has the fast ones. Plus we know from last week Sophie has voter support.
”
I won't be surprised if it happens and I hope Sophie can get back to her week 2 Charleston standards
.
There is a poster on this thread being disingenuous. They are a very vocal Abbey fan who is hoping that John is right about Natalie because it backs their own preferences. When in reality the only facts we know so far about popularity is that for at least one week Abbey was less popular than anyone now left in the competition.
Originally Posted by duckylucky:
“I like someone to say what they think too . But not to say what I think or anyone else for that matter .Which is what Barrowman did .He spoke for others and not himself .”
“I like someone to say what they think too . But not to say what I think or anyone else for that matter .Which is what Barrowman did .He spoke for others and not himself .”
Err no, sorry to be pedantic but he really, really didn't. He expressed a view that the public aren't taking to Natalie. That's his view of what other people are thinking. He may be right; he may be wrong (he's likely to be partly right and partly wrong as it's quite plain from this board that some members of the public love her and some can't stand her!) but it's still an opinion, not 'speaking for others'.
Originally Posted by dd23:
“I never thought sarcasm worked very well written down.
The laugh out loud I got from your post has proved me wrong.
Many bravos!!”
“I never thought sarcasm worked very well written down.
The laugh out loud I got from your post has proved me wrong.
Many bravos!!”
. I try lol but seriously though I love to see people voting/supporting for whoever they enjoy watching, like or support
Originally Posted by Lamballe:
“Ben will probably win. I've said it before, it's a Chris Hollins year. It will be Natalie, Susanna and Ben in the final, and Ben will win purely because public want the underdog to win. Not the best dancer but Mr Nice Guy, The Trier. My brother put money on him when he was 66/1 to win and he's now laughing because it's such a predictable scenario. Dancing doesn't come into it this year.
The only difference is he does not have an adorable partnership with Kristina as Ola did with Chris. Kristina has no discernible personality and they have no connection. It's very much a sportsman-coach arrangement. It's easy to overlook her and focus on her partner away from the dancing because he's a really nice guy (if a bit dull), and when they are performing she always makes it look like he is doing more than he is but people generally don't care because he's sweet. Rose tinted glasses. Their actual partnership however is all about the TROPHY and showing off his body. Kristina really, really WANTS that win. It's her sixth year and she can see this is a huge shot for her even though he's not the best dancer. Who cares that it's a dancing competition, right? Mmmmmm, glitterball and media attention...
Barrowman was not right about Natalie being gone. Shock bottom two maybe, but not out of the competition for obvious reasons *cough*judges*cough*. And he was wrong that Ben is an exceptional dancer. But he is probably dead on about Ben winning because all of the pieces are in place. Fairytale SCD ending for Mr Nice Guy.”
“Ben will probably win. I've said it before, it's a Chris Hollins year. It will be Natalie, Susanna and Ben in the final, and Ben will win purely because public want the underdog to win. Not the best dancer but Mr Nice Guy, The Trier. My brother put money on him when he was 66/1 to win and he's now laughing because it's such a predictable scenario. Dancing doesn't come into it this year.
The only difference is he does not have an adorable partnership with Kristina as Ola did with Chris. Kristina has no discernible personality and they have no connection. It's very much a sportsman-coach arrangement. It's easy to overlook her and focus on her partner away from the dancing because he's a really nice guy (if a bit dull), and when they are performing she always makes it look like he is doing more than he is but people generally don't care because he's sweet. Rose tinted glasses. Their actual partnership however is all about the TROPHY and showing off his body. Kristina really, really WANTS that win. It's her sixth year and she can see this is a huge shot for her even though he's not the best dancer. Who cares that it's a dancing competition, right? Mmmmmm, glitterball and media attention...
Barrowman was not right about Natalie being gone. Shock bottom two maybe, but not out of the competition for obvious reasons *cough*judges*cough*. And he was wrong that Ben is an exceptional dancer. But he is probably dead on about Ben winning because all of the pieces are in place. Fairytale SCD ending for Mr Nice Guy.”
Don't under estimate Mark & Iveta
. They are more the Hollins candidate in my book, however both Ben & Mark have more 'competition' than Chis had, it was a very poor year in dancers with any popularity/personality that year & it was a 2 person final that year which never works well.
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Err no, sorry to be pedantic but he really, really didn't. He expressed a view that the public aren't taking to Natalie. That's his view of what other people are thinking. He may be right; he may be wrong (he's likely to be partly right and partly wrong as it's quite plain from this board that some members of the public love her and some can't stand her!) but it's still an opinion, not 'speaking for others'.”
“Err no, sorry to be pedantic but he really, really didn't. He expressed a view that the public aren't taking to Natalie. That's his view of what other people are thinking. He may be right; he may be wrong (he's likely to be partly right and partly wrong as it's quite plain from this board that some members of the public love her and some can't stand her!) but it's still an opinion, not 'speaking for others'.”
Well he should learn to engage a filter before mouthing off silly noncense then . I am not a huge fan of Natalies . i like watching her dance but prefer to see people learn .BUT to announce on TV that no one is warming to her is petty and spiteful IMO
I dont have a problem with JB saying he didnt like Natalie because they are many people who dont but it was the fact that he said she will be out in the next couple of weeks
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Don't under estimate Mark & Iveta. They are more the Hollins candidate in my book, however both Ben & Mark have more 'competition' than Chis had, it was a very poor year in dancers with any popularity/personality that year & it was a 2 person final that year which never works well.”
“Don't under estimate Mark & Iveta
. They are more the Hollins candidate in my book, however both Ben & Mark have more 'competition' than Chis had, it was a very poor year in dancers with any popularity/personality that year & it was a 2 person final that year which never works well.”
I think Fiona might be a decent Hollins parallel. Dodgy latin, under the radar....
(Where's the tin hat)
Could John be right about people not warming up to Natalie ? Yes. And about her possibly leaving in 2 weeks ? No. No matter what happens, she will reach that final . Even if she finds herself in the bottom 2, the judges will always save her so I don't know what the ruckus is all about 
Natalie will still make the finale whether she is unpopular or not. The reactions over John comments are so OTT.
. Even if she finds herself in the bottom 2, the judges will always save her so I don't know what the ruckus is all about Natalie will still make the finale whether she is unpopular or not. The reactions over John comments are so OTT.
Originally Posted by dd23:
“I think Fiona might be a decent Hollins parallel. Dodgy latin, under the radar....
(Where's the tin hat)”
“I think Fiona might be a decent Hollins parallel. Dodgy latin, under the radar....
(Where's the tin hat)”
Yes Fiona/Anton's popularity is a bit of an unknown quantity. Nothing very verbal on the boards, being saved from quite dangerous board positions. I have had my thoughts in them too, but I push it to the back of my mind if I can
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Don't under estimate Mark & Iveta. They are more the Hollins candidate in my book, however both Ben & Mark have more 'competition' than Chis had, it was a very poor year in dancers with any popularity/personality that year & it was a 2 person final that year which never works well.”
“Don't under estimate Mark & Iveta
. They are more the Hollins candidate in my book, however both Ben & Mark have more 'competition' than Chis had, it was a very poor year in dancers with any popularity/personality that year & it was a 2 person final that year which never works well.”
Oh Mark and Iveta are fab. LOVE their relationship. I hope you're right about everything here with Ben having more working against him, that's all I can say!
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