It's funny that Ashley is being compared to Patrick. Patrick has natural timing and groove. He has what dancers need the most, rhythm. Ashley looks like he is dancing by numbers, he has no rhythm and his performance ability is awkward.
Patrick the best male dancer?!
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Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
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But give the two of them a track at random and ask them to improvise with a partner I wager Patrick would do a respectable job and Ashley wouldn't know where to begin.
For me dancing is not the ability to perform a routine (although I understand and have no quibble with that being what SCD is about). But Patrick is the one with a natural groove and that for my money is what being a dancer means.”
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But give the two of them a track at random and ask them to improvise with a partner I wager Patrick would do a respectable job and Ashley wouldn't know where to begin.
For me dancing is not the ability to perform a routine (although I understand and have no quibble with that being what SCD is about). But Patrick is the one with a natural groove and that for my money is what being a dancer means.”
Totally agree with you. Patrick has amazing musicality and timing, is fluid and responsive and dances with absolute joy. I love watching him. I want to see him do AT and I rarely say that about celebs on SCD.
Ashley can pick up any choreography and do it, but not dance it. He is too rigid, he dances by number and has terrible feet and a stiff neck. I thought he'd be better than he is by now. Patrick is way ahead of him
Originally Posted by idetached:
“It's funny that Ashley is being compared to Patrick. Patrick has natural timing and groove. He has what dancers need the most, rhythm. Ashley looks like he is dancing by numbers, he has no rhythm and his performance ability is awkward.”
“It's funny that Ashley is being compared to Patrick. Patrick has natural timing and groove. He has what dancers need the most, rhythm. Ashley looks like he is dancing by numbers, he has no rhythm and his performance ability is awkward.”
You've summed it up beautifully. Spot on!
Originally Posted by idetached:
“It's funny that Ashley is being compared to Patrick. Patrick has natural timing and groove. He has what dancers need the most, rhythm. Ashley looks like he is dancing by numbers, he has no rhythm and his performance ability is awkward.”
“It's funny that Ashley is being compared to Patrick. Patrick has natural timing and groove. He has what dancers need the most, rhythm. Ashley looks like he is dancing by numbers, he has no rhythm and his performance ability is awkward.”
I don't agree - Ash has a lot going for him, he's nippy and he learns - he did very well tonight and I enjoyed his dance immensely.
I ADORED Patrick's mad, wonderful, heartfelt and risky number, but that doesn't mean Ash wasn't very very good, he was.
Just not as good as Patrick, who has seriously got the bit between his teeth.
Originally Posted by teeswolf:
“What a fantastic job Anya is doing
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“What a fantastic job Anya is doing
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Fantastic job. She's a tiny little thing and doesn't have the huge and immediate personality of some others (or hasn't been given the same air time), but she has won me over with her talent. I hope she is a Strictly keeper.
Originally Posted by gcmac:
“I think he's the best male dancer, I agree with that point.”
“I think he's the best male dancer, I agree with that point.”
Me too. We saw in week one that Patrick had great natural rhythm, but technically he wasn't great and his posture in hold was almost diabolically bad. It seemed to me he had more to correct than his competition and boy has he done that. Two weeks on the run he has produced my favourite dance of the night.
Go Patrick! (And terribly PC I know, but it would be nice to see a 50 year old black man win the show).
Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*:
“Patrick is the best at the moment
Ashley SHOULD be better but he isn't & that's down to Ola I am afraid”
“Patrick is the best at the moment
Ashley SHOULD be better but he isn't & that's down to Ola I am afraid”
Yep, you are right. Ola's never really invested in her celebs. Patrick is shining. He may be shy but, hell's bells, that man can dance
I've been dancing for many years and if I had a choice, I'd choose to dance with or teach Patrick, but not Ashley.
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Fantastic job. She's a tiny little thing and doesn't have the huge and immediate personality of some others (or hasn't been given the same air time), but she has won me over with her talent. I hope she is a Strictly keeper.
Me too. We saw in week one that Patrick had great natural rhythm, but technically he wasn't great and his posture in hold was almost diabolically bad. It seemed to me he had more to correct than his competition and boy has he done that. Two weeks on the run he has produced my favourite dance of the night.
Go Patrick! (And terribly PC I know, but it would be nice to see a 50 year old black man win the show).”
“Fantastic job. She's a tiny little thing and doesn't have the huge and immediate personality of some others (or hasn't been given the same air time), but she has won me over with her talent. I hope she is a Strictly keeper.
Me too. We saw in week one that Patrick had great natural rhythm, but technically he wasn't great and his posture in hold was almost diabolically bad. It seemed to me he had more to correct than his competition and boy has he done that. Two weeks on the run he has produced my favourite dance of the night.
Go Patrick! (And terribly PC I know, but it would be nice to see a 50 year old black man win the show).”
Have to say I agree with everything you've posted Smokeychain,
Especially about an older guy winning the show.
I think Patrick is the best male dancer. Also you can see how much he is enjoying it. I would love to see him win
Ashley for me . I didn't have a clue who he was before Strictly but he has impressed me from day one.
I found Patrick very forgettable at the beginning but he's really growing on me.
I think he is far better than Ashley.
I think he is far better than Ashley.
Well yes, his dance-off appearance would indicate that he is struggling for votes. But IMO he deserved his place at the top of the leaderboard, and he is a better dancer than the other male celebrities. I'm not a fan, and I prefer to watch Ben, Ashley and Mark, but I'm not sure how it could even be questioned that he is the best of the guys.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Have to say I agree with everything you've posted Smokeychain, Especially about an older guy winning the show.”
“Have to say I agree with everything you've posted Smokeychain,
Especially about an older guy winning the show.”
It would be nice to see an older winner wouldn't it?
I am loving Abbey's work ethic and improvement, Sophie's chic, Natalie's talent etc. but I'm a little tired of pretty young things dominating the show when there are plenty of older contestants giving them a run for their money.
Agreeing with all the positive posts and comments about Patrick. I love watching him. He's got that viiiiibe!
I definitely agree - I think Ashley is very good but Patrick is just a natural mover! That said, he shouldn't have been given a 10 tonight as his routine was not perfect... still very good though!
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I have been saying that since week1. If I was in a club and having observed all the male celebs had to ask one to dance it would be Patrick by a country mile. His natural timing, movement and rhythm suggest to me he could dance if he hadn't been given steps to preform.
For me that the difference. I see a dancer in him and the others are simply dancing by numbers. he may not be as likable but in dance terms I think he is light years ahead.”
“I have been saying that since week1. If I was in a club and having observed all the male celebs had to ask one to dance it would be Patrick by a country mile. His natural timing, movement and rhythm suggest to me he could dance if he hadn't been given steps to preform.
For me that the difference. I see a dancer in him and the others are simply dancing by numbers. he may not be as likable but in dance terms I think he is light years ahead.”
I also noticed in week one that he was far and away the best male dancer this year. I don't think Anya gave him the most noticable routines in the early dances but she is certainly is pulling out all the stops now. I loved their dances the last 2 weeks. He was always very comfortable out of hold and has now much improved in hold as well.
Patrick actually looks like Anya is teaching him to dance, rather than just learn a routine.
Yes there are still gapping issues, but he moves well and holds his frame.
Yes there are still gapping issues, but he moves well and holds his frame.
Well Patrick is certainly better than Ben, Mark and Dave who are all awful. Probably about level with Ashley I'd say..
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Patrick actually looks like Anya is teaching him to dance, rather than just learn a routine.
Yes there are still gapping issues, but he moves well and holds his frame.”
“Patrick actually looks like Anya is teaching him to dance, rather than just learn a routine.
Yes there are still gapping issues, but he moves well and holds his frame.”
Anya appears to be a very good teacher IMO. He seems to be learning very well. He is definitely growing on me as a dancer.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I know what people are saying, given more time to train Ashley almost certainly would make a better job of executing a routine as instructed.
But give the two of them a track at random and ask them to improvise with a partner I wager Patrick would do a respectable job and Ashley wouldn't know where to begin.
For me dancing is not the ability to perform a routine (although I understand and have no quibble with that being what SCD is about). But Patrick is the one with a natural groove and that for my money is what being a dancer means.”
“I know what people are saying, given more time to train Ashley almost certainly would make a better job of executing a routine as instructed.
But give the two of them a track at random and ask them to improvise with a partner I wager Patrick would do a respectable job and Ashley wouldn't know where to begin.
For me dancing is not the ability to perform a routine (although I understand and have no quibble with that being what SCD is about). But Patrick is the one with a natural groove and that for my money is what being a dancer means.”
Definitely a natural mover.
I think that age(Patricks), and Ashley's bigger fan base will count in the end. I love Patrick's enthusiasm, but I don't think he'll last longer than Ashley.
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