I can't believe they gave Ashley 9s and even Patrick 9s and Sophie 8s? the AT was so good... it was as good as ashley and patrick's dances and should have got 9s..
Sophies AT was undermarked
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Originally Posted by Becky245:
“I can't believe they gave Ashley 9s and even Patrick 9s and Sophie 8s? the AT was so good... it was good as ashley and patrick and should have got 9s..”
“I can't believe they gave Ashley 9s and even Patrick 9s and Sophie 8s? the AT was so good... it was good as ashley and patrick and should have got 9s..”
totally agree
I think it was a little overmarked - 30 was more than enough for that dance - but it doesn't matter because Sophie & Brendan ended up in exactly the right position on the LB.
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“I think it was a little overmarked - 30 was more than enough for that dance - but it doesn't matter because Sophie & Brendan ended up in exactly the right position on the LB.”
“I think it was a little overmarked - 30 was more than enough for that dance - but it doesn't matter because Sophie & Brendan ended up in exactly the right position on the LB.”
I disagree. I watched it again and it is so much better than people are saying. If you think about what she got for her samba, and what she got for this... the marks should have been way higher.
I agree, but I wouldn't have posted this if I were you - there will be a lot of negative comments coming! Please join us in the S&B appreciation thread 
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“I can't believe they gave Ashley 9s and even Patrick 9s and Sophie 8s? the AT was so good... it was as good as ashley and patrick's dances and should have got 9s..”
“I can't believe they gave Ashley 9s and even Patrick 9s and Sophie 8s? the AT was so good... it was as good as ashley and patrick's dances and should have got 9s..”
It really wasn't. It might have been a pleasurable performance and I am pleased so many enjoyed it - nothing wrong with that. But as an example of authentic AT it wasn't good.
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“I disagree. I watched it again and it is so much better than people are saying. If you think about what she got for her samba, and what she got for this... the marks should have been way higher.”
“I disagree. I watched it again and it is so much better than people are saying. If you think about what she got for her samba, and what she got for this... the marks should have been way higher.”
Not if you think her samba was overmarked too.
Originally Posted by Stuart25:
“I agree, but I wouldn't have posted this if I were you - there will be a lot of negative comments coming! Please join us in the S&B appreciation thread”
“I agree, but I wouldn't have posted this if I were you - there will be a lot of negative comments coming! Please join us in the S&B appreciation thread
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Oh I know, but Sophie deserves some praise among all the negativity.
Originally Posted by Stuart25:
“I agree, but I wouldn't have posted this if I were you - there will be a lot of negative comments coming! Please join us in the S&B appreciation thread”
“I agree, but I wouldn't have posted this if I were you - there will be a lot of negative comments coming! Please join us in the S&B appreciation thread
”
I'm not being negative but I think Sophie was marked fairly tonight, there were occasional wobbles and looked a little jelly legged too in some sections. Len was right, the chereography was great from Brendan but I think Sophie was a little shy of pulling it off, with a little more practice it could've been dance of the series imo
I thought she was in the right place on the leader board.. Patrick, Abbey, Susanna and Ashley all performed better then her tonight.
Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“Not if you think her samba was overmarked too.”
“Not if you think her samba was overmarked too.
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But i'm thinking of how the marking is going, why are they giving Ashley, Susanna and Abby 9s when their performances had things wrong with them too? I'm a dancer and I hate being picky but Abby went out of time twice, Ashley's posture is really not great, susanna's top line was loose and patrick is a little hunched over too. I'm not saying Sophie is perfect, she has a problem with her character and sometimes she too is hunched over, but i just hate the way the marking is all over the place.
Originally Posted by Saturn:
“She should have been higher than Abbey and Ashley imo.”
“She should have been higher than Abbey and Ashley imo.”
No no no! Both these two did as they were asked and raised their game.......... Sophie didn't......!
I will state I'm a big Sophie fan before I say I disagree OP. iIt wasn't a great AT at all, but a well placed AT. Too precise & too reliant on Brendan. I would have marked it much the same as the judges (says this slightly drunk non dance expert
Originally Posted by Becky245:
“But i'm thinking of how the marking is going, why are they giving Ashley, Susanna and Abby 9s when their performances had things wrong with them too? I'm a dancer and I hate being picky but Abby went out of time twice, Ashley's posture is really not great, susanna's top line was loose and patrick is a little hunched over too. I'm not saying Sophie is perfect, she has a problem with her character and sometimes she too is hunched over, but i just hate the way the marking is all over the place.”
“But i'm thinking of how the marking is going, why are they giving Ashley, Susanna and Abby 9s when their performances had things wrong with them too? I'm a dancer and I hate being picky but Abby went out of time twice, Ashley's posture is really not great, susanna's top line was loose and patrick is a little hunched over too. I'm not saying Sophie is perfect, she has a problem with her character and sometimes she too is hunched over, but i just hate the way the marking is all over the place.”
I think because they all sell the dance better than she does. They all have technical faults but acting in the dance goes a long way to making up for those mistakes.
Sophie's face was exactly the same as it's been for every dance bar the charleston and maybe the foxtrot.
If Sophie had shown even a teensy bit of sultriness or emotion rather than yet ANOTHER blank face she may have got an extra mark per judge.
She was wobbly, unsteady and just walked the dance for me, rather than gliding her feet across the floor.
This is all in my opinion, of course.
You enjoyed the dance and that's great, but some of us are dying for Sophie to let us in and she's not.
Last time I saw an Argentine Tango, it involved the bloke and lass flicking their legs around each others.
Not a routine with someone being constantly being placed on a chair.
Not a routine with someone being constantly being placed on a chair.
This dance does seem to have split opinion.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.
Not having a go, I mean 8s would be fine with me if others had gotten 8s instead of 9s... oh well what can you do
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“This dance does seem to have split opinion.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.”
“This dance does seem to have split opinion.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.”
Yes the lack of the characteristic A frame embrace was a major factor which stopped it being a good example of AT. But I would also take issue with the footwork. Partly because she wasn't on the ground long enough to demonstrate any but even when she was there wasn't the distinctive AT walk. She just walked normally and the AT walk is a positively bizarre way of walking.
TBF I am not sure Brendan's walk was much better but I tend to focus on the celeb not the pro on first watch.
AT is all about walk, posture and frame - the rest in the main s decoration and illusion.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Yes the lack of the characteristic A frame embrace was a major factor which stopped it being a good example of AT. But I would also take issue with the footwork. Partly because she wasn't on the ground long enough to demonstrate any but even when she was there wasn't the distinctive AT walk. She just walked normally and the AT walk is a positively bizarre way of walking.
TBF I am not sure Brendan's walk was much better but I tend to focus on the celeb not the pro on first watch.
AT is all about walk, posture and frame - the rest in the main s decoration and illusion.”
“Yes the lack of the characteristic A frame embrace was a major factor which stopped it being a good example of AT. But I would also take issue with the footwork. Partly because she wasn't on the ground long enough to demonstrate any but even when she was there wasn't the distinctive AT walk. She just walked normally and the AT walk is a positively bizarre way of walking.
TBF I am not sure Brendan's walk was much better but I tend to focus on the celeb not the pro on first watch.
AT is all about walk, posture and frame - the rest in the main s decoration and illusion.”
I didn't really like it much. Too many lifts which didn't look very attractive and not many of the distinctive between the legs flicks (forgotten the name of the steps). Infact it reminded me a bit of the bacofoil dance.
Originally Posted by -Sid-:
“This dance does seem to have split opinion.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.”
“This dance does seem to have split opinion.
I was reading people's views elsewhere (and they seem to be unbiased and have some knowledge of Argentine Tango). From what I can gather, there was plenty of content, nice footwork, good lifts and the judges maybe made too big a deal about attitude/passion. But what apparently was wrong was the embrace, Sophie should have been leaning in more, she was too upright.
I thought the 8s were about right (and more importantly so was her leaderboard position) because I did find it a touch clinical here and there, and the hold didn't look quite right, but I disagree with those saying Sophie was being lifted around and didn't do much.”
Sid, this is a perfect assessment.
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Yes the lack of the characteristic A frame embrace was a major factor which stopped it being a good example of AT. But I would also take issue with the footwork. Partly because she wasn't on the ground long enough to demonstrate any but even when she was there wasn't the distinctive AT walk. She just walked normally and the AT walk is a positively bizarre way of walking.
TBF I am not sure Brendan's walk was much better but I tend to focus on the celeb not the pro on first watch.
AT is all about walk, posture and frame - the rest in the main s decoration and illusion.”
“Yes the lack of the characteristic A frame embrace was a major factor which stopped it being a good example of AT. But I would also take issue with the footwork. Partly because she wasn't on the ground long enough to demonstrate any but even when she was there wasn't the distinctive AT walk. She just walked normally and the AT walk is a positively bizarre way of walking.
TBF I am not sure Brendan's walk was much better but I tend to focus on the celeb not the pro on first watch.
AT is all about walk, posture and frame - the rest in the main s decoration and illusion.”
Missed that wonderfully sensual sliding of the foot across the floor from both of them.
Originally Posted by *Venetia*:
“I didn't really like it much. Too many lifts which didn't look very attractive and not many of the distinctive between the legs flicks (forgotten the name of the steps). Infact it reminded me a bit of the bacofoil dance.”
“I didn't really like it much. Too many lifts which didn't look very attractive and not many of the distinctive between the legs flicks (forgotten the name of the steps). Infact it reminded me a bit of the bacofoil dance.”
All I kept thinking was hooves
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