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Abby on the front page tomorrow,secret lessons.
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*Topaz*
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I'll repeat myself:”

You've been very selective in your quote - quoting just one dance teacher. I read the whole article which was linked to and she did more than that according to it. I found what the 'source' said interesting
echad
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by marinamau:
“Any person that has a background as a pop artist of some kind ( Ahsley, SEB, Abbey), anyone who has been to stage schools (Fiona, Julien did tap, Natalie trained for years), does musicals (Mark), has done CIN (Susanna) have all had some dance training.

Training only takes you so far. Talent is another thing.”

Disagree that anyone in pop music will have had dance training. Manufactured boy and girl bands, sure, but others need to be judged on an individual basis. I could name plenty of pop stars who won't have had dance training. The concept of the popstar that dances choreographed routines is starting to die out.
bornfree
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SliverOfDiamond:
“Yeah, right...she could also be a professional dancer and keeping quiet about it.

She's been in the public eye for years now, quite a high profile model and then WAG, if all they can grub up on her is 30 hours of dance when she was a teenager as part of a girl band, then I don't think there is anything to get all outraged about.”

I couldn't give a monkeys whether she's had 1 lesson or 100 lessons or even had years of training at dance school. Oh and by the way I am not outraged in the least. Its not about the number of lessons or training someone has had. Its about how the training enhances talent. Someone could have lessons all their life and still not be very good. Abbey IMO is OK but that good.

Fiona's had ballet lessons, but she not that elegant at the end of the day. But she came clean about it.
Miriam_R
10-11-2013
Secret lessons, lol.

30 hours in her teens comes no where near to those that have trained nearly their entire life to be Professionals, from aged 4-5 to their late teens, and still perfecting their craft even beyond that. If Abbey had trained properly and meticulously for years in Latin and Ballroom dancing and then competed in serious competitions on top of that, then we'd have something to talk about. Next rubbish article please (or actually not).
bornfree
10-11-2013
IMO Abbey has reached her peak. No about of lessons will enhance what little talent she has. IMO she is a very good looking girl with a figure to die for but a dancer she is not. Abbey is working hard to win and why not, that's why she has taken part in SCD. Just because I am not a fan doesn't mean she I rubbish. I just happen to support some one else.

Natalie, is a natural dancer and any training she has had will enhance her talent.
streetwise
10-11-2013
I first thought, with all the fuss, that she's had 'secret lessons' during her time on strictly. But no, it's 10 yrs ago and about 30 hrs...come on.
Pices-55
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by bornfree:
“IMO Abbey has reached her peak. No about of lessons will enhance what little talent she has. IMO she is a very good looking girl with a figure to die for but a dancer she is not. Abbey is working hard to win and why not, that's why she has taken part in SCD. Just because I am not a fan doesn't mean she I rubbish. I just happen to support some one else.

Natalie, is a natural dancer and any training she has had will enhance her talent.”

Yes I echo this, and its because of this that I believe she has had far more training than she is letting on (not that I mind her having any because I dont) If Abbey was a natural at dance it would show and she would be improving in leaps and bounds......(she is not improving at all from the the first week and is pretty much exactly the same)and if she was a natural I would easily believe her no training story, as it is its imo pretty difficult to accept that someone who has no training, no natural talent for dance can get to her reasonable standard without it.
MACTOWIN
10-11-2013
If she has had dance lessons then where does that leave Len's comment. I like her but she has to confirm the truth on way or another
StrictlySC4
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“It wouldn't bother me at all or change my attitude towards Abbey. Strictly is and always has been an uneven playing field in a multitude of different ways and we don't have access to all the relevant information.

This is the hypocrisy of Natalie's knockers.”

BIB, nearly made me spray my computer screen with coffee.
streetwise
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by StrictlySC4:
“BIB, nearly made me spray my computer screen with coffee.”

Yeah I thought...boob job.
tobi
10-11-2013
I think they should all be asked about the amount of lessons and experience they have in dancing before the show and should be honest with the voters. Poor Rachel never had a chance
Smokeychan1
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by *Topaz*:
“You've been very selective in your quote - quoting just one dance teacher. I read the whole article which was linked to and she did more than that according to it. I found what the 'source' said interesting ”

I never take any notice of unnamed sources, regardless of who they are commenting on. If you can link quotes from other dance teachers who confirm they have given Abbey training and are happy to stand by their statement by being named, fair enough.

Until then, yes I will continue to be selective when reading any opinion-based 'news' article, I will continue to regard attached photographs with suspicion - for example, are they out of context and/or chronological sync. You can continue to swallow if you wish, but I prefer to be more objective, especially when it comes to UK tabloids *spits*
CravenHaven
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“didn't that awful Gary Rhodes allegedly have lessons and look at how good he turned out to be.”

Most likely the lessons were in Bo-jutsu, the ancient japanese art of fending a fuming Karen off with a rolling pin.
yellowlabbie
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by peeve:
“Utterly shameful and pathetic non-story, designed to stir up controversy. It's almost on a par with the article about her past indiscretions, which, IIRC, happened around the same time.

So, seven to ten years ago, she had a few dance lessons, then had a pretty wild time of it, during which time I confidently predict she will have forgotten all about the dance steps.

Dave Myers has had ten times the amount of lessons Abbey is alleged to have had (and rather more recently) but they don't appear to have helped him much, do they? ”

Maybe so but if Dave had dance lessons for the rest of his life, he still wouldn't be able to dance.
Julie_Evans
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I never take any notice of unnamed sources, regardless of who they are commenting on. If you can link quotes from other dance teachers who confirm they have given Abbey training and are happy to stand by their statement by being named, fair enough.

Until then, yes I will continue to be selective when reading any opinion-based 'news' article, I will continue to regard attached photographs with suspicion - for example, are they out of context and/or chronological sync. You can continue to swallow if you wish, but I prefer to be more objective, especially when it comes to UK tabloids *spits*”


BIB, totally agree.
SCD-Observer
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“I really dont care if Abbey has had lessons and I think it quite likely that she has had far more lessons and far more intensive training than that article suggests.....what irks me is the dishonesty especially when week after week Natalie has been relentlessly slated and hammered for it.Not forgetting of course Len's comments holding her up as some sort of shining example Abbey is becoming tabloid fodder following in the footsteps of many talentless wannabe's.:yawn:”

Gosh, you don't like Abbey I gather?
yellowlabbie
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I never take any notice of unnamed sources, regardless of who they are commenting on. If you can link quotes from other dance teachers who confirm they have given Abbey training and are happy to stand by their statement by being named, fair enough.

Until then, yes I will continue to be selective when reading any opinion-based 'news' article, I will continue to regard attached photographs with suspicion - for example, are they out of context and/or chronological sync. You can continue to swallow if you wish, but I prefer to be more objective, especially when it comes to UK tabloids *spits*”

There's no smoke without fire. I do hope those posters who are fans of Abbey will refrain from criticising Natalie when she returns next week for doing the same thing.
Arcana
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by StrictlySC4:
“BIB, nearly made me spray my computer screen with coffee.”

(•_ㅅ_•)
Smokeychan1
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“ There's no smoke without fire. I do hope those posters who are fans of Abbey will refrain from criticising Natalie when she returns next week for doing the same thing.”

I don't understand what you mean by the same thing. Unless you're comparing a life of dance lessons to a few hours being taught how to move as a group on stage. And that would be a, frankly, ridiculous comparison.

Incidentally, I like Natalie and any criticism I have at her inclusion in the show is directed at the producers, not the girl personally.

ETA: People who believe the adage 'no smoke without fire' are fodder for the tabloids and, in my opinion, have to take a huge dose of responsibility for the lazy journalism in this country.
Julie_Evans
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I don't understand what you mean by the same thing. Unless you're comparing a life of dance lessons to a few hours being taught how to move as a group on stage. And that would be a, frankly, ridiculous comparison.

Incidentally, I like Natalie and any criticism I have at her inclusion in the show is directed at the producers, not the girl personally.

ETA: People who believe the adage 'no smoke without fire' are fodder for the tabloids and, in my opinion, have to take a huge dose of responsibility for the lazy journalism in this country.”


Well said.
SCD-Observer
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Arcana:
“(•_ㅅ_•)”

what's that? a cat (or bird?) with a quizzical nose?
yellowlabbie
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I don't understand what you mean by the same thing. Unless you're comparing a life of dance lessons to a few hours being taught how to move as a group on stage. And that would be a, frankly, ridiculous comparison.

Incidentally, I like Natalie and any criticism I have at her inclusion in the show is directed at the producers, not the girl personally.”

So if she has lied about the '30 hours training', maybe she has has more lessons than we know about. She has been dishonest.

I wasn't having a dig at you btw
yellowlabbie
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“I don't understand what you mean by the same thing. Unless you're comparing a life of dance lessons to a few hours being taught how to move as a group on stage. And that would be a, frankly, ridiculous comparison.

Incidentally, I like Natalie and any criticism I have at her inclusion in the show is directed at the producers, not the girl personally.

ETA: People who believe the adage 'no smoke without fire' are fodder for the tabloids and, in my opinion, have to take a huge dose of responsibility for the lazy journalism in this country.”

People choose to believe the tabloids when it suits them especially on DS. I suspect if it was Natalie it would be a diffferent matter.
Arcana
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“what's that? a cat (or bird?) with a quizzical nose?”

It's the special logo I designed for Natalie's knockers.

Hope they like it.
Pices-55
10-11-2013
Originally Posted by SCD-Observer:
“Gosh, you don't like Abbey I gather?”

I can take her or leave her, but she does seem to find herself in the tabloids rather a lot, as for having an opinion on thinking she may have had far more lessons than she says well...thats just my thoughts which I had way back in week one and I thought I did explain my reasons for those thoughts above.
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