I'm pleased Rose is in the 50th, because as you say, she was in the reboot right at the start and is constantly voted as one of the best companions. I don't think another return is excessive - how many times did Sarah leave, come back, leave, comeback (albeit in different programmes I understand)? Sarah is a loved character, so it didn't matter, and I think the same applies to Rose.

I take it Billie's not playing the same Rose character.

Either that or she's forgotten how to play her, she sounds incredibly posh in the trailer.

Exactly. People can be terribly hypocritical. When they say 'overexposed' they mean 'i don't like them'.

I have never quite understood the cult of Sarah Jane. With all respect to LS who was a fine actor and person I just never took to the character like alot of others did. But I didn't bemoan the amount of attention RTD gave her because I realize lots of others did love her.

Anyone posted yet as to why she is so strangely dressed and has a vortex manipulator, which clara seems to use also......
Also what is that metal tag hanging down from her hair ?
And what time period is she from ?
That should keep someone busy............

I don't think she's actually playing Rose, but more a 'Bad Wolf' possessed Rose or Bad Wolf using her image or something, hence the posher accent like in The Parting of The Ways.

Like others have said, for a whole new generation of Doctor Who fans (like me ), she is their Sarah Jane. It's only this forum where I personally have seen so much hostility towards her. On tumblr/twitter/news articles/the official facebook, all the comments etc have been hugely positive about her and DT's return.

I doubt she'll make an appearance after this episode, I'm really looking forward to seeing her one last time.

The great thing about Moffat's era is that it did genuinely move on from Rose and to be honest, I am actually intrigued to see her in the episode, to see her interactions with Ten, Eleven, Hurt and Clara as well.

I'm only watching the 50th because Rose is in it.

The reason people say he is overused is because they don't like her. If you don't like her it doesn't mean she's overused. She's had just as many returns as Martha has had tbf. Except Martha isn't in the 50th. But other then that Martha was in 5 episodes of series 4 and 3 of Torchwood, Rose was in 6 episodes (3 were only small cameos) and made a cameo on DT's final episode same as Martha. So what are people on about she's always coming back? If anything Martha is always coming back!

Don't speak for everybody. I liked her, and her story ended perfectly. Her first story, that is.

Then came TSE/JE. I thought her appearance was unnecessary, especially as she'd only been gone a series. That seemed like overuse to me, as that role could have been filled with anyone. Using Rose was just an excuse to give her a happy ending. Yes, she shoots a Dalek and helps Donna, but apart from crowbarring her into the story to give her her ending, what purpose does she actually serve that couldn't have been done by someone else?

TEOT - the Doctor was doing his tour, she 100% had to have been in this.

I'm really hoping she has a proper Rose part to play in the 50th. Otherwise for me it's just stunt-casting. But it looks like she has.

TBF through a big difference is when Rose goes they keep on saying this is it Rose is gone forever she will never return only for her to come back again

They never have said Martha is gone forever

Rose has just as big a part to play as much as any new who Doctor imo. She is a major reason Doctor Who has been such a success! Give me Rose all day long. I'm tired of the childish attitude some of these Who fans have. For goodness sake the show has evolved.

I'm happy to see Billie /rose back as I'm sure a lot of the general public may be too. For many young people she would have been their first companion. I'd rather have rose than River song.

You and me both, I've never seen why Clara's meant to be so special (in herself) as there's just nothing much to her apart from being 'impossible' as a plot device, and I really did not like her interfering in the First Doctor taking the TARDIS. I much prefer Rose, or at least the Rose who was with 9. At least she was capable of character growth and conversation that wasn't just smart one-liners.

agreed. It was a fun moment on first watching but since I just think its an unneeded addition to what should have remained one of those 'unseen' bits of DW legend. Its spoilt alot for me. And yes. Clara is too minor a character who has been given far too much significance in the shows history without having earned it. Rose is better in every possible way because she wasn't just shoehorned into being important. She just was.

Clara suffers because she is so poorly defined as a character. She is a plot device and we are told by the writing that we should care as opposed to organically liking the character because of who they are. I cared about Rose because we had some insight into her life and her loves and her dreams. You understood her motivation and cared. Clara just embodies some of Moffats weaknesses as a writer.

The ultimate sacrifice of throwing herself into the Doctors time line would have been more poignant and powerful had it been Rose or Amy or Donna. Even Rory. But with Clara it just fell flat. I don't care about her character enough. And honestly? Unless they write better stories for her and give her some depth I wouldn't mind if she left or was killed off. I don't see why she's travelling with the doctor except to fill a gap and spout some sassy one liners.

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Hasn't Billie herself (who speaks in a 'posh' voice in real life) said she found it hard to recapture the 'Rose' voice she used in Series 1 and 2 when she came back in Series 4? I'm sure I read that somewhere. I don't know if she'd also had 'work' done to her teeth, but if so it wouldn't help if she was also struggling with the overall 'feel' of Rose's voice.

I don't mind Rose being back - I've never understood the dislike aimed at her as a character. But then, I don't invest so much of myself in any character that means it affects how I watch a show (I certainly can't get my head around comments such as "I'm only watching the 50th because Rose is in it"!). Call me odd, but I simply invest in the show itself and take the characters (and actors) for what they are and as I find them and accept that I won't like all of them all of the time. To me it's not something to take to extremes, but each to their own - individual opinion is the way the world turns!

It will be ncie to see her again but think she had a good ending in JE.
Fought for two years to get back to 10. 10 gave her the gift of a half human doctor.
Why couldn't she be left to spend her life with him in peace ?.Wonder if Clara will say anything to 11 like "How many exes do you have ?" or "Did you marry this one too ?, she's blonde not a red head like Elizabeth or River!"

Totally this. Fantastic post that has hit the nail on the head.

Remember when she turned up in 'Turn Left' with her false teef and couldn't speaf proferly? It was awful!

I don't dislike Rose at all; at the time, she was the viewers eyes into the Doctors world, and later helped differentiate between 'worthy' companions and other flotsam and jetsam.

Later, 11 would kind of echo this when he says he doesn't know why (he chooses people) he just knows who (he has to choose).

But, Rose did start the 'uber companion' trend, being Bad Wolf. Then Donna does it; then Rory/Amy, now Clara. Maybe even River.

Only Martha was relatively normal, and look where that got her, shunted to Torchwood before bailing out for CSI UK (or whatever it was).

So I agree that Rose deserves pride as place of the first companion of the new era.

And, I'm starting to think that Moff didn't really have any choice, because he has obviously gone through all the Time War references with a fine-tooth comb, and he could hardly ignore that 'I end the Time War' line from POTW.

Thanks Emma! I hope it doesn't seem like I am bashing Jenna because I really like her. I thought she was great in Asylum and The Snowmen and proved she could when needed do the big dramatic moments with power and make you care. I blame the material. From The Bells onward she has been little more than a sketch and a cipher for the writers wish to push the story a certain way. Rose had more character development by the end of her second episode than Clara had in seven and I can't see how it changes. Its a challenge for the writers but what are they going to do? Now the whole impossible girl angle is gone where does she go? I genuinely think only a shocking development such as betraying the doctor and siding with the enemy will redeem her. Otherwise she will just strut around the Tardis being cute until they have the guts to write her out.

I don't always agree with your views, but in this post and its predecessor I do think you're spot on.

I get the Rose thing and I agree with most people on here who say that she is one of the main reasons the shows still exists today. For me though it was hard to watch one companion mean so much to the Doctor when he and i as a viewer have lived through so many. I loved sara-jane and Leela but I think the implied love story was crossing a line that we'd never imagined. still uncomfortable with the idea of the Doctor being romantic and sexual. Thats why i think most have a problem with Rose. No if they brought back River as well, that would be interesting

One assumes River knows all about Rose but Rose knows diddly squat about River. I think she would get a bit pouty. More so.

I'd say Piper's overall contribution to the show's success (jn terms of both story contribution and mainting DW's popular image) exceeds or matches that of several Doctor's (Colin Baker, McCoy, McGann, Eccleston).

After Tennant, she's undoubtedly the biggest former player the series has who it would be feasible to see return.

Firstly, I just want to say saladfingers posts have been absolutely on the money.

Shevk, as for your view of Billie's contribution I would have no argument about the popularity she added to the show. I have no beef about the importance she held as a character. I would even go as far as saying her story contribution was equal to Eccleston in the first series.

You are absolutely wrong, however, in saying she had greater story contribution than Colin Baker or Mr. McCoy. That is just patently wrong.