When is KitKat out for Nexus Devices?

flagpole · 13-11-2013, 12:23

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With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy.

Rik.

we'll see i guess. my nexus 7 2012 sometimes lags a bit. and i think it is in part to do with chrome being shit.

my nexus 5 is a lot faster. but then it is actually a lot faster.

The Sack · 13-11-2013, 13:24

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Originally Posted by chenks

what range of options do you need in an SMS app?
it sends SMS, it receives SMS - job done really.

Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it, i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data.

Stiggles · 13-11-2013, 13:28

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Originally Posted by The Sack

Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it, i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data.

Sign out of hangouts. Simple.

The Sack · 13-11-2013, 13:31

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Originally Posted by carguy143

With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy.

Rik.

It doesn't work like that mate, it will still use the resources available to it rather than using less RAM

The Sack · 13-11-2013, 13:32

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Sign out of hangouts. Simple.

Not use it and disable it, even better

The Sack · 13-11-2013, 13:49

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Sign out of hangouts. Simple.

Being a bit more serious so people understand what i am on about. My contact lenses effectively make me long sighted so the text becomes a struggle to read on the default SMS app, i dont want to increase the entire system text size just the size of a text message, This isnt possible in the default app.

Plus i like my text app to look pretty

the hangouts version and all previous version are a bit strictly missionary aren't they, nice every once in a while but some variety is more than welcome.

Chomp does everything i want and i can support the dev by giving him/her a quid for a licence to remove the adverts, everyone is happy.

chenks · 13-11-2013, 14:17

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Originally Posted by The Sack

Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it

did the previous stock messaging app allow you to do that?

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Originally Posted by The Sack

i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data.

and that's why 4.4 allows you to use any sms app you want and set it to system default.

flagpole · 13-11-2013, 14:20

I didn't like hangouts so I don't use it.

It's weird that people keep telling me I'm wrong.

chenks · 13-11-2013, 14:45

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I didn't like hangouts so I don't use it.

It's weird that people keep telling me I'm wrong.

if your reasons for not liking it are factually wrong then it wouldn't be weird.
if they are simply offering an alternate view based on your findings then that also isn't weird.

however, you used the past tense by saying you didn't like hangouts, which makes me assume that you now like it.

finbaar · 13-11-2013, 14:47

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Originally Posted by carguy143

With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy.

Rik.

The problem with the N7 2012 is that Asus cheaped out on the flash storage. The sluggishness that effects your tablet also effects all of the other tablets they made around that time (Transformer Prime is one I think). The trim support in 4.3 was supposed to help with this.

flagpole · 13-11-2013, 14:49

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Originally Posted by chenks

if your reasons for not liking it are factually wrong then it wouldn't be weird.
if they are simply offering an alternate view based on your findings then that also isn't weird.

however, you used the past tense by saying you didn't like hangouts, which makes me assume that you now like it.

I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct.

Stiggles · 13-11-2013, 14:53

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct.

My Mrs started using a different SMS client as she started getting hangout messages from people she didn't know!

chenks · 13-11-2013, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

My Mrs started using a different SMS client as she started getting hangout messages from people she didn't know!

there is a setting somewhere within the google settings to only allow hangouts messages from people in your circles. sounds like it is currently set to allow messages from anyone.

chenks · 13-11-2013, 14:57

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Originally Posted by flagpole

I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct.

you should have said "I don't like hangouts so I don't use it."
out of interest, what makes you not like it?

from what i can see it is really no different to the messages app in iOS which combines iMessage and SMS.

Voynich · 13-11-2013, 15:06

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Originally Posted by flagpole

we'll see i guess. my nexus 7 2012 sometimes lags a bit. and i think it is in part to do with chrome being shit.

my nexus 5 is a lot faster. but then it is actually a lot faster.

Installing adblock helped a bit for me on chrome. Especially here on DS. I was sick of waiting with a frozen screen until all the ads loaded. Chrome is just too convenient and easy to use for me to start using another browser.

ney · 13-11-2013, 21:12

My Nexus 4 that I have had just over 4 months now seems faster then my just over 16 month old Nexus 7.

Darren

fletchem · 14-11-2013, 21:01

The factory images are out for the Nexus 4 now. OTA has to be imminent.

Raven · 14-11-2013, 23:49

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Originally Posted by JeffG1

Before I heard about KitKat, I always thought K was going to be Key Lime Pie. Did Rowntree's sponsor the new name?

This is totally off topic but reading your post starts so many thoughts spinning through my head. . . .

You gotta be over 40 !!! . . . at least

Man! . . . Do KitKat's *** not taste the same anymore.

Put those Pastilles down Ma , put those Pastilles down.

In 88 , all the promises made (and then broken) to the staff in Rowntree Mackintosh during the takeover by Nestle and the eventual destruction of one of Britains best/most historical companies . . . . so they can continue to produce their bland swiss chocolate

Runs off to find his old recording of the Ch4/Grahem Norton "Top 100 uk Ads" show.

Insert confectionary of choice (Rolo, Smarties, Aero Caramac)

JeffG1 · 15-11-2013, 10:36

Re last post: Funnily enough there was an item on business news this morning where they were interviewing the CEO of Nestlé, and the video showed the KitKat production line. Didn't know they owned the brand.

Re hangouts discussion: I thought it was an alternative to SMS to avoid using up text message allowance. I have a permanent hangout set up with my son and that works via WiFi or data if I'm out.

flagpole · 15-11-2013, 10:45

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Originally Posted by JeffG1

Re hangouts discussion: I thought it was an alternative to SMS to avoid using up text message allowance. I have a permanent hangout set up with my son and that works via WiFi or data if I'm out.

It is sort of. in many ways it's better.

but the point at issue is that they have merged the sms client in to hangouts, so the sms client is gone and hangouts is now used to send sms and hangouts. which leads to some strange issues.

Dan 8t1 · 15-11-2013, 10:53

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Originally Posted by chenks

you should have said "I don't like hangouts so I don't use it."

No. If he'd said 'I don't like it' that would imply that he'd tried it recently. He's saying he 'didn't like it' because he tried it some time ago, made his decision about it then and has not bothered since. His tense is correct.

finbaar · 15-11-2013, 12:48

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Originally Posted by fletchem

The factory images are out for the Nexus 4 now. OTA has to be imminent.

I think I may well flash them tonight.

According to Brian Klug the OTAs are rolled out, by Google at least, the following way. They send out updates to 10% of the devices and wait to see how many come back on line, or in other words how may brick. They do it again for another 10%. Then it is open to all. Not sure how true those percentages are but I wouldn't argue with anyone from AnandTech.

ney · 15-11-2013, 17:03

As I have posted elsewhere on here. Still no 4.4 update but some of the Google services have updated on my Nexus 4 and just over 16 month old Nexus 7 the day.
Although my Nexus 4 still has the SMS app. Google Hangouts now seems to be starting to take over.

Darren

fletchem · 15-11-2013, 18:11

The new Google search on the homescreen is superb. It asks you questions now. Try asking it to call someone with multiple numbers.

late8 · 19-11-2013, 21:40

For anyone still waiting for the Nexus 4 OTA (Could be several weeks) this guide is the best one for updating your NEXUS with Factory firmware......
http://betanews.com/2013/11/18/how-t...-4-5-7-and-10/

Also be aware that on the Nexus 4 you may want to install the GEL (Google Experience Launcher) to get the benefit of the KitKat transparent stuff....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2529594

13-11-2013, 12:23	#26
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by carguy143 With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy. Rik. we'll see i guess. my nexus 7 2012 sometimes lags a bit. and i think it is in part to do with chrome being shit. my nexus 5 is a lot faster. but then it is actually a lot faster.

13-11-2013, 13:24	#27
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks what range of options do you need in an SMS app? it sends SMS, it receives SMS - job done really. Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it, i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data.

13-11-2013, 13:28	#28
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it, i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data. Sign out of hangouts. Simple.

13-11-2013, 13:31	#29
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by carguy143 With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy. Rik. It doesn't work like that mate, it will still use the resources available to it rather than using less RAM

13-11-2013, 13:32	#30
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Sign out of hangouts. Simple. Not use it and disable it, even better

13-11-2013, 13:49	#31
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Sign out of hangouts. Simple. Being a bit more serious so people understand what i am on about. My contact lenses effectively make me long sighted so the text becomes a struggle to read on the default SMS app, i dont want to increase the entire system text size just the size of a text message, This isnt possible in the default app. Plus i like my text app to look pretty the hangouts version and all previous version are a bit strictly missionary aren't they, nice every once in a while but some variety is more than welcome. Chomp does everything i want and i can support the dev by giving him/her a quid for a licence to remove the adverts, everyone is happy.

13-11-2013, 14:17	#32
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack Id like to be able to resize the text, not a massive ask is it did the previous stock messaging app allow you to do that? Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack i also do not want it getting mixed up with video calls and chats over wifi/data. and that's why 4.4 allows you to use any sms app you want and set it to system default.

13-11-2013, 14:20	#33
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	I didn't like hangouts so I don't use it. It's weird that people keep telling me I'm wrong.

13-11-2013, 14:45	#34
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I didn't like hangouts so I don't use it. It's weird that people keep telling me I'm wrong. if your reasons for not liking it are factually wrong then it wouldn't be weird. if they are simply offering an alternate view based on your findings then that also isn't weird. however, you used the past tense by saying you didn't like hangouts, which makes me assume that you now like it.

13-11-2013, 14:47	#35
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by carguy143 With Kitkat apparently designed to work on low end devices, I wonder if it will speed up the original Nexus 7. It's not exactly underpowered but mine certainly does feel laggy. Rik. The problem with the N7 2012 is that Asus cheaped out on the flash storage. The sluggishness that effects your tablet also effects all of the other tablets they made around that time (Transformer Prime is one I think). The trim support in 4.3 was supposed to help with this.

13-11-2013, 14:49	#36
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks if your reasons for not liking it are factually wrong then it wouldn't be weird. if they are simply offering an alternate view based on your findings then that also isn't weird. however, you used the past tense by saying you didn't like hangouts, which makes me assume that you now like it. I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct.

13-11-2013, 14:53	#37
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct. My Mrs started using a different SMS client as she started getting hangout messages from people she didn't know!

13-11-2013, 14:56	#38
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles My Mrs started using a different SMS client as she started getting hangout messages from people she didn't know! there is a setting somewhere within the google settings to only allow hangouts messages from people in your circles. sounds like it is currently set to allow messages from anyone.

13-11-2013, 14:57	#39
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole I didn't like hangouts so I stopped using it the tense is correct. you should have said "I don't like hangouts so I don't use it." out of interest, what makes you not like it? from what i can see it is really no different to the messages app in iOS which combines iMessage and SMS.

13-11-2013, 15:06	#40
Voynich Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Western Scotland Posts: 13,586	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole we'll see i guess. my nexus 7 2012 sometimes lags a bit. and i think it is in part to do with chrome being shit. my nexus 5 is a lot faster. but then it is actually a lot faster. Installing adblock helped a bit for me on chrome. Especially here on DS. I was sick of waiting with a frozen screen until all the ads loaded. Chrome is just too convenient and easy to use for me to start using another browser.

13-11-2013, 21:12	#41
ney Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, Dunfermline Area Posts: 10,704	My Nexus 4 that I have had just over 4 months now seems faster then my just over 16 month old Nexus 7. Darren

14-11-2013, 21:01	#42
fletchem Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,187	The factory images are out for the Nexus 4 now. OTA has to be imminent.

14-11-2013, 23:49	#43
Raven Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 788	Quote: Originally Posted by JeffG1 Before I heard about KitKat, I always thought K was going to be Key Lime Pie. Did Rowntree's sponsor the new name? This is totally off topic but reading your post starts so many thoughts spinning through my head. . . . You gotta be over 40 !!! . . . at least Man! . . . Do KitKat's *** not taste the same anymore. Put those Pastilles down Ma , put those Pastilles down. In 88 , all the promises made (and then broken) to the staff in Rowntree Mackintosh during the takeover by Nestle and the eventual destruction of one of Britains best/most historical companies . . . . so they can continue to produce their bland swiss chocolate Runs off to find his old recording of the Ch4/Grahem Norton "Top 100 uk Ads" show. Insert confectionary of choice (Rolo, Smarties, Aero Caramac)

15-11-2013, 10:36	#44
JeffG1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Newbury Posts: 6,752	Re last post: Funnily enough there was an item on business news this morning where they were interviewing the CEO of Nestlé, and the video showed the KitKat production line. Didn't know they owned the brand. Re hangouts discussion: I thought it was an alternative to SMS to avoid using up text message allowance. I have a permanent hangout set up with my son and that works via WiFi or data if I'm out.

15-11-2013, 10:45	#45
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by JeffG1 Re hangouts discussion: I thought it was an alternative to SMS to avoid using up text message allowance. I have a permanent hangout set up with my son and that works via WiFi or data if I'm out. It is sort of. in many ways it's better. but the point at issue is that they have merged the sms client in to hangouts, so the sms client is gone and hangouts is now used to send sms and hangouts. which leads to some strange issues.

15-11-2013, 10:53	#46
Dan 8t1 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Leicester Posts: 897	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks you should have said "I don't like hangouts so I don't use it." No. If he'd said 'I don't like it' that would imply that he'd tried it recently. He's saying he 'didn't like it' because he tried it some time ago, made his decision about it then and has not bothered since. His tense is correct.

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15-11-2013, 12:48	#47
finbaar Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,921	Quote: Originally Posted by fletchem The factory images are out for the Nexus 4 now. OTA has to be imminent. I think I may well flash them tonight. According to Brian Klug the OTAs are rolled out, by Google at least, the following way. They send out updates to 10% of the devices and wait to see how many come back on line, or in other words how may brick. They do it again for another 10%. Then it is open to all. Not sure how true those percentages are but I wouldn't argue with anyone from AnandTech.

15-11-2013, 17:03	#48
ney Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, Dunfermline Area Posts: 10,704	As I have posted elsewhere on here. Still no 4.4 update but some of the Google services have updated on my Nexus 4 and just over 16 month old Nexus 7 the day. Although my Nexus 4 still has the SMS app. Google Hangouts now seems to be starting to take over. Darren

15-11-2013, 18:11	#49
fletchem Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,187	The new Google search on the homescreen is superb. It asks you questions now. Try asking it to call someone with multiple numbers.

19-11-2013, 21:40	#50
late8 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 7,052	For anyone still waiting for the Nexus 4 OTA (Could be several weeks) this guide is the best one for updating your NEXUS with Factory firmware...... http://betanews.com/2013/11/18/how-t...-4-5-7-and-10/ Also be aware that on the Nexus 4 you may want to install the GEL (Google Experience Launcher) to get the benefit of the KitKat transparent stuff.... http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2529594