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Old 11-11-2013, 21:41
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I've read on various websites that from day 1 the ps4 isn't mp3 or Divx compatible
How do you feel about this as I'm not too happy about this. & are now considering canceling my pre order as my ps3 is the centre of my entertainment & sound system
Blu-ray play back isn't possible as well apparently
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Old 11-11-2013, 21:46
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I thought this was announced a while ago, and bluray playback is unlocked with the day one update. I can see people getting annoyed by this but it'll get added later. I just want a games console so I'm not too bothered.
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Old 11-11-2013, 21:47
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Mp3 annoying but not a biggy I can use something else to play my music. Divx not really caring about as my TV streams from my pc. Blu ray play back is definitely on it however.
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Old 11-11-2013, 22:02
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Apparently it's going to be patched in later, they wanted to get a games console out first, those crazy people, so left all codec licence stuff on the side, that's why you need to activate DVD and Blu-ray Playback, so the console can grab the licence for playback.
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Old 11-11-2013, 22:22
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One of these newish TV boxes with something like XBMC on it is better anyway, More codec support, Better playback & other features like video plugins etc....

I used my PS3 a couple times both natively & via something like PS3 Media Server & found it lacking badly when compared to XBMC.
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Old 11-11-2013, 22:22
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Can't you just keep your PS3 for this?
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:03
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Can't you just keep your PS3 for this?
Exactly, why do so many people think they have to sell off their existing console just because they buy a new one, they don't deactivate the PS3 the day PS4 launches you know! No reason you can't have both in your entertainment set up.

The lack of CD/MP3 support though could be seen as Sony pushing their Music Unlimited service on to people, as I'm sure they are. I use it and like it a lot but they need a more sensible pricing model, no way I'd pay 10 a month for it I'll keep my subscription as long as they keep giving me offers on it.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:31
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I've read on various websites that from day 1 the ps4 isn't mp3 or Divx compatible
How do you feel about this as I'm not too happy about this. & are now considering canceling my pre order as my ps3 is the centre of my entertainment & sound system
Blu-ray play back isn't possible as well apparently
Bluray playback isn't possible?

I think you need to do some more research. It's well documented that it will be part of the 1.5 upgrade on launch day.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:32
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I have no strong feelings about either.

I rarely use my PS3 to listen to music, and I play video files via a PC connected to my TV, and I rarely do that any more since the advent of Netflix.

I'm sure it'll all get added at some point in the not-too distant future, and what I pre-ordered in June was a games console, in fact I pre-ordered PS4 immediately after having seen the TV-Sports-TV-Sports-CallofDuty-TV reveal of the Xbone. Criticising Sony for not delivering exactly what I didn't want would be dumb IMHO.
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Old 12-11-2013, 15:14
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Not fussed about MP3 but MKV support would be awesome but then again Sony would still have MKV's with Cinavia blocked
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Old 12-11-2013, 15:32
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Apparently it's going to be patched in later, they wanted to get a games console out first, those crazy people, so left all codec licence stuff on the side, that's why you need to activate DVD and Blu-ray Playback, so the console can grab the licence for playback.
Wouldn't rely on it. The PS3 still has no native MKV support.
Sony are slow (if at all) to add support for anything they feel may 'infringe' on the companys other money-making interests. In this case - music.

Another example - PS2 game support (withdrawn). Why let people play their own or pre-owned PS2 games when they can sell it again through PS2 classics? And the PS4 is not compatible with PS3 games?

One rip-off after another.

Sony used to be 'cool', now they're a corporate animal with little respect for users. My Playstation days started with the PS1 and ended with the PS3.
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Old 12-11-2013, 15:47
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One of these newish TV boxes with something like XBMC on it is better anyway, More codec support, Better playback & other features like video plugins etc....

I used my PS3 a couple times both natively & via something like PS3 Media Server & found it lacking badly when compared to XBMC.
So what your saying is spending 450 rather than 350 is better

I know XBMC on something is better than the PS3 with PS3 media server but the streaming options on PS3 offer me enough so I dont see the point in spending extra money to do the same thing.

I hope these options become available on PS4 soon as I use my PS3 a lot for streaming media.

Can't you just keep your PS3 for this?
I could and will keep my PS3, but I don't want to have to. I enjoyed having one box that could play games, stream videos and playback my music this generation I would like the same next generation.

Just keep your PS3 or buy another device is a bit of a stupid argument to defend PS4 not having media playback when this whole generation the idea of an all singing all dancing media box was what we were sold. I brought into Playstation because of this and I had hoped this would continue with their latest machine.
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Old 12-11-2013, 15:50
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Another example - PS2 game support (withdrawn). Why let people play their own or pre-owned PS2 games when they can sell it again through PS2 classics? And the PS4 is not compatible with PS3 games?
I think this had more to do with cutting hardware costs than trying to get people to buy games twice. If the intention of cutting PS2 playback from the PS3 was purely so they could sell you PS2 games again then why didn't they cut PSX playback at the same time. All PS3 models play PSX games.
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Old 12-11-2013, 15:59
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I think this had more to do with cutting hardware costs than trying to get people to buy games twice. If the intention of cutting PS2 playback from the PS3 was purely so they could sell you PS2 games again then why didn't they cut PSX playback at the same time. All PS3 models play PSX games.
If this were strictly true they would just enable the software emulator (that every PS3 contains) to play PS2 discs, it's all about making more money I'm afraid!
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:07
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The PS2 emulator on the PS2 requires game profiles to work properly, and even then, it's sometimes not done properly, check out some games like Liberty City Stories which had the wrong profile attached, the game struggles to maintain 30fps, often glitching and dropping down to 10-15fps.

To the above; Sony never promised MKV support, where as here @yosp has said on twitter that MP3 playback will be brought in with a future update (as well as disabling HDCP for games).

As for PS4 not playing PS3 games, it's completely different hardware, same reason Xbox One can't play Xbox 360 or Xbox titles, the structure of these consoles is just too different. You can see it as a rip off all you want but there is a tech reason behind this, the CPU architect of BOTH new consoles is much more PC based focused on traditional x86 style with advancements, a world away from what the Xbox 360 and PS3 used.

edit: to just explain more, you CAN force the PS2 emulator to work with other titles (hackers already did this) but performance was very hit and miss. If Sony did just flat out turn the emulator on and said go at it, they'd get more complaints about games running like shit.

edit 2: Although what WAS interesting is that the PS3 can play PSP games, though nothing ever came of that, weird.
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:23
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The Ps2 emulator isn't particularly hit and miss at all, most games run very well indeed! Let's face it, it was primarily about making more money from PS2 classics.
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:32
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The Ps2 emulator isn't particularly hit and miss at all, most games run very well indeed! Let's face it, it was primarily about making more money from PS2 classics.
I don't know what the emulator is like now but the one that was included in the PS3 with partial PS2 hardware inside was shocking on some games.

So why didn't Sony disable the PSX emulator at the same time as removing PS2 playback?
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:35
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Well we must be seeing different examples then.

But enough about the PS2 Emulator, there is a flat out reason the PS4 can not play PS3 games and it's the same reason the Xbox One can not play Xbox 360 games, the hardware is like a different planet.

As for the original topic, MP3 playback IS being added, Blu-ray and DVD ARE supported (require the licence to be downloaded to the console though) and stuff like DNLA, etc is still up in the air with the message of "they are looking into it".
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Old 12-11-2013, 16:44
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I don't know what the emulator is like now but the one that was included in the PS3 with partial PS2 hardware inside was shocking on some games.

So why didn't Sony disable the PSX emulator at the same time as removing PS2 playback?
Because there are a lot less pristine PSX discs lying around peoples homes than there are PS2. And the PSX games have the bonus of being playable on PSP.
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:08
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So you dismiss my actual experience against your grapevine info with a weak excuse like that? I never said they're evil, I said they withhold the PS2 emulator to make money from PS2 classics. That's just a fact.

I'm actually a very loyal Sony customer, had all the Playstations, PSP, Vita, Walkman, headphone equipment etc...I'm just not blind to the truth that they can make shady decisions to screw over their customer base for maximum profit!
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Old 12-11-2013, 18:19
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So you dismiss my actual experience against your grapevine info with a weak excuse like that? I never said they're evil, I said they withhold the PS2 emulator to make money from PS2 classics. That's just a fact.

I'm actually a very loyal Sony customer, had all the Playstations, PSP, Vita, Walkman, headphone equipment etc...I'm just not blind to the truth that they can make shady decisions to screw over their customer base for maximum profit!
I'm basing my experience on the emulators performance on my legally purchased from the PSN Digital Downloads, the emulator is patchy at best.

Are you insisting Sony is crippling their own emulator on purpose, even on the purchased titles?
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Old 12-11-2013, 18:45
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Which titles does it perform badly on, and in which ways? I know I've played considerably more PS2 titles with it than you and do not at all find it to be patchy or hit and miss. The success rate is very impressive to me.

And if it is apparently so "patchy" with their official psn packages they charge money for, surely the argument that they don't just enable it for people's own discs because it's not good enough and would get complaints holds no water?? They must be getting them by the bucketload already if they're charging a premium for something so bad
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Old 12-11-2013, 19:16
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They do get complaints about it, titles like Liberty City Stories, Manhunt, Red Dead Revolver, all perform worse than the PS2 original and have various framerate problems within the game dropping down to as low as 10 to 15fps.

And yes it is a shame pirates such as yourselves don't have to pay for a crappy experience, I tend to avoid PS2 Classics these days due to how rough my previous legally purchased downloads were.

PS1 emulator is fine though.
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Old 12-11-2013, 20:14
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I did try to explain that using ISOs is not the equivalent of piracy but the post seems to have gone!
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Old 12-11-2013, 20:43
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So what your saying is spending 450 rather than 350 is better
If someone really want some sort of dedicated media server then yeah I would say the additional cost on top of a PS4 (OR XB1) is probably worth it if you can afford the extra.

You can get devices that will run XBMC & HD Video pretty cheaply & there's are loads of devices available.
http://amzn.to/1a1IFw5

Cheapest is one of the Raspberry Pi boards which XBMC has now been developed for & you can get one of those for around 30.


Would be awesome if XBMC could run on a PS3 And/Or PS4 without any modding required but sadly I can't see Sony allowing that.



Know I often bang on about XBMC a lot whenever the topic of media servers & stuff comes up, Its just I think its an awesome bit of software on anything.
I modded my original Xbox to get XBMC running in 2005 & I now run the PC version via my graphics cards HDMI port.
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