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Old 12-11-2013, 00:56
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I thought this dude had a good voice and having narrowly lost last year would do great things, but having tried to tout his tickets for a 500 capacity London venue in the summer I can confirm his appeal is somewhat limited to say the least.

Let's be honest, no one makes a career via X Factor anymore except possibly the winner and even then it's a modest lifestyle.

The hype is dead, the spectacle is dead, let's not delude ourselves!!
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:07
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He alienated many by constantly shoving his religion down people's throats.

He came across as smug and thinking that his religious morals made him better than others.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:08
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jahmene was never going to make it, he doesnt appeal to a large public.. he's far from that
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:08
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Genuinely couldn't stand him, yet another one with a sob story to ram down out throats.
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Old 12-11-2013, 01:49
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Jahmene has always been a total mystery to me. I know everyone likes different things, but usually even when I dislike particular acts, I can at least see what their appeal would be to others, even if I don't personally get it.

With Jahmene though, I just couldn't understand it at all. He had a nice regular singing voice, but his USP was those bizarre screechy whiny runs, which to me sounded horrible every time. Without them I thought he was good, but those runs were the thing that apparently made him good? Really completely went over my head!
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Old 12-11-2013, 02:15
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Jahmene has always been a total mystery to me. I know everyone likes different things, but usually even when I dislike particular acts, I can at least see what their appeal would be to others, even if I don't personally get it.

With Jahmene though, I just couldn't understand it at all. He had a nice regular singing voice, but his USP was those bizarre screechy whiny runs, which to me sounded horrible every time. Without them I thought he was good, but those runs were the thing that apparently made him good? Really completely went over my head!
You and me both! The guy can sing and I don't mind him turning up on a show and doing a track, but the thought of being trapped watching and listening to him for an hour or so would drive me insane!
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Old 12-11-2013, 08:05
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Jahmene has always been a total mystery to me. I know everyone likes different things, but usually even when I dislike particular acts, I can at least see what their appeal would be to others, even if I don't personally get it.

With Jahmene though, I just couldn't understand it at all. He had a nice regular singing voice, but his USP was those bizarre screechy whiny runs, which to me sounded horrible every time. Without them I thought he was good, but those runs were the thing that apparently made him good? Really completely went over my head!
Agree. I'm a 100% soulgirl and it really used to annoy me when they banged on about how much soul he had. No he didn't. Real soul singers don't need to fill the songs with warbles, unnecessary runs, high pitched wailing and 15 minute money notes.
He was never going to be a star in a million years
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Old 12-11-2013, 08:34
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What a strange thread ,
He is doing well for himself . Debut number 1 album
Currently recording his second album .
He will end up in America as they are really excited about him over there
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:24
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This isn't about X Factor. Jahmene just never had the potential to make it. Same as the runner-up the year before him - Marcus Collins. Same as past winners Leon Jackson and Joe McElderry.

And to be honest, I see Sam Bailey and Nicholas McDonald the same way.

Making it to the final or even winning the show means nothing if you don't have what it takes to make it in the real world. It's just a TV show, real work starts after the show.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:29
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He alienated many by constantly shoving his religion down people's throats.

He came across as smug and thinking that his religious morals made him better than others.
I never saw him as smug, he was for me one of the most humble and shy contestants we've had. I disagree that he was shoving his religion down our throats, it was more he was talking about something he loved, like abi talking about her piano a lot.
Genuinely couldn't stand him, yet another one with a sob story to ram down out throats.
I didn't count that as a sob story, to me a sob story is when someone uses their story to their advantage for votes or to get through whereas Jahmene only discussed it because the papers were going to publish the story and he wanted control of the situation. If the papers did not get hold of his story, I genuinely believe he would have let his story be the 'shy asda worker' and kept the real story to after the show.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:32
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Genuinely couldn't stand him, yet another one with a sob story to ram down out throats.
FFS! He was actually abused, as was his mum, very seriously abusued. He didn't ram anything anywhere, but was quiet and unassuming. He had to deal with the publicity when the tabloid scum unearthed his back story, but he was, clearly, uncomfortable with the attention. JD was also seriously screwed up by a set of experiences that would damage anybody. Most of us would struggle to cope as well.

HAVE SOME SYMPATHY!
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:33
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No big surprise. RCA are absolutely notorious for signing XF acts and then doing absolutely nothing to nurture them for longevity. The moment it was announced he was releasing an album of covers I knew he was doomed.

It's a shame as he deserves to catch a break in life. He always came across very well on the show, though his style of singing wasn't really to my taste.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:34
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What a strange thread ,
He is doing well for himself . Debut number 1 album
Currently recording his second album .
He will end up in America as they are really excited about him over there
Fair play, I never realised that. That said it only went silver which is 60k sales.

I was going by the fact I couldn't flog his tickets for any price for a small London venue show in the summer, and hardly anyone on twitter was talking about him.

Not so much having a go at him personally, he seems a nice lad, as the bs the X Factor presenters tell three or four contestants each year, that they are going to be superstars etc.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:41
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Jahmene makes Hannah seem like Aretha Franklin. Bye!
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:47
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FFS! He was actually abused, as was his mum, very seriously abusued. He didn't ram anything anywhere, but was quiet and unassuming. He had to deal with the publicity when the tabloid scum unearthed his back story, but he was, clearly, uncomfortable with the attention. JD was also seriously screwed up by a set of experiences that would damage anybody. Most of us would struggle to cope as well.

HAVE SOME SYMPATHY!
Agree with you totally. Unfrotunately there are few on here with any sympathy for anyone.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:52
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What a strange thread ,
He is doing well for himself . Debut number 1 album
Currently recording his second album .
He will end up in America as they are really excited about him over there
#1 on very low sales and exited the chart in short order.
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Old 12-11-2013, 12:59
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I never saw him as smug, he was for me one of the most humble and shy contestants we've had. I disagree that he was shoving his religion down our throats,...
"The Swindon-born Gospel singer says he has different morals to the others and insists he won't be tempted by women and booze, unlike some of his fellow contestants."

"None of it worries me because I know where my morals lie. I'm standing in my faith. I know I'm not going to get drunk and sleep with someone and get them pregnant. And then wake up next to them and see it's a lady boy!"

http://www.reveal.co.uk/showbiz-cele...til-i-wed.html
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:15
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Jahmene is doing alright for himself he's heading down the gospel side for his next album and he's been recording in America some of it
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:21
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The show is a platform. Nothing more.
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:32
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No big surprise. RCA are absolutely notorious for signing XF acts and then doing absolutely nothing to nurture them for longevity. The moment it was announced he was releasing an album of covers I knew he was doomed.

It's a shame as he deserves to catch a break in life. He always came across very well on the show, though his style of singing wasn't really to my taste.
How was he doomed ?
To do an album of gospel covers in the uk and get to number 1 is a pretty good achievement imo

He is now co writing his 2nd album with Rca inspiration in America .
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:34
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jahmene was never going to make it, he doesnt appeal to a large public.. he's far from that
Not going to make what exactly ?
He is currently making very good money singing as a career .
Surely that was the aim
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:48
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"The Swindon-born Gospel singer says he has different morals to the others and insists he won't be tempted by women and booze, unlike some of his fellow contestants."

"None of it worries me because I know where my morals lie. I'm standing in my faith. I know I'm not going to get drunk and sleep with someone and get them pregnant. And then wake up next to them and see it's a lady boy!"

http://www.reveal.co.uk/showbiz-cele...til-i-wed.html
Thats not really shoving religion down our throats, he is just saying he has different morals, people who are not religious may feel the same. Also, he was obviously asked about it, its not like he showed up at reveal uninvited and stared preaching.
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:48
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How was he doomed ?
To do an album of gospel covers in the uk and get to number 1 is a pretty good achievement imo

He is now co writing his 2nd album with Rca inspiration in America .
I'm not attempting to criticise Jahmene as I like him, but despite getting to number 1 his sales were extremely low - if he'd released last week, for example, he'd have struggled to make the top 5. Someone posted this list of debut album first week sales on another thread:

Shane Ward - 22,452 (debut at No 15)
Joe McElderry - 39,405 (debut No 3)
Matt Cardle - 70k (debut No 2)
Rebecca Ferguson - 128k (debut at No3 )
One Direction - 138k (debut at No2 )
Marcus Collins - 24,343 (debut at No 7)
Little Mix - 53k (debut at No 3 )
Union J- 17,331 (debut at No 6)
Jahmene Douglas - 18,904 (debut at No 1)

I think the Shayne Ward one is incorrect, and we now have James's to add to this of about 63,000, but the one most comparable is Union J: very similar sales to Jahmene but they only got to number 6 because they released in a much tougher week. And like Union J's album, Jahmene's then pretty much free-fell out of the top 20.

Releasing an album full of covers might have been an easy short-term option, but long-term it won't have earned him any respect as an emerging new talent. I also found the video to his first single cynical and exploitative, but maybe that's just me. I think he'll regret agreeing to that in the long term.

Lots of artists go to America to record. Sometimes it amounts to something and sometimes it doesn't. But I am pleased to hear he's co-writing, that's a step in the right direction.

Please don't take my criticism as a criticism of Jahmene. It's RCA I have the issue with. They do not have their signed artists' best interests at heart.
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:54
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I'm not attempting to criticise Jahmene as I like him, but despite getting to number 1 his sales were extremely low - if he'd released last week, for example, he'd have struggled to make the top 5. Someone posted this list of debut album first week sales on another thread:

Shane Ward - 22,452 (debut at No 15)
Joe McElderry - 39,405 (debut No 3)
Matt Cardle - 70k (debut No 2)
Rebecca Ferguson - 128k (debut at No3 )
One Direction - 138k (debut at No2 )
Marcus Collins - 24,343 (debut at No 7)
Little Mix - 53k (debut at No 3 )
Union J- 17,331 (debut at No 6)
Jahmene Douglas - 18,904 (debut at No 1)

I think the Shayne Ward one is incorrect, and we now have James's to add to this of about 63,000, but the one most comparable is Union J: very similar sales to Jahmene but they only got to number 6 because they released in a much tougher week. And like Union J's album, Jahmene's then pretty much free-fell out of the top 20.

Releasing an album full of covers might have been an easy short-term option, but long-term it won't have earned him any respect as an emerging new talent. I also found the video to his first single cynical and exploitative, but maybe that's just me. I think he'll regret agreeing to that in the long term.

Lots of artists go to America to record. Sometimes it amounts to something and sometimes it doesn't. But I am pleased to hear he's co-writing, that's a step in the right direction.

Please don't take my criticism as a criticism of Jahmene. It's RCA I have the issue with. They do not have their signed artists' best interests at heart.
You make some valid points .
I don't understand how you can think the video of his single
Was cynical or exploitive .
He is just trying to make people more aware of domestic violence
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Old 12-11-2013, 13:57
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Jahmene is doing alright for himself he's heading down the gospel side for his next album and he's been recording in America some of it
Yes the religious nutter in the USA will lap him up.

He is staying in his own cult.

That because people in the real world don't want religion forced down their throats.

Still religion in America is a wonderful way to make millions.
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