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Old 12-11-2013, 17:31
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its the killings.

Loads of people dying.

i have watched

Spearhead From Space (J.Pertwee)
EarthShock (P.Davison)
Tomb Of The CyberMen (P.Troughton)

I cant believe the amount of torture and deaths going on, no wonder I loved the old series so much.
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:35
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its the killings.

Loads of people dying.

i have watched

Spearhead From Space (J.Pertwee)
EarthShock (P.Davison)
Tomb Of The CyberMen (P.Troughton)

I cant believe the amount of torture and deaths going on, no wonder I loved the old series so much.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrvh_jB6c70
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:45
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yep, more killing than kissing
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Old 12-11-2013, 17:48
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They also didn't have huge amounts of monsters either or have conclusions like the conclusion for Last of the Time Lords. Also there was less use of the sonic screwdriver.
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Old 12-11-2013, 18:46
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Its not the killing. Its the stories amongst other things. The TARDIS wasnt a rocket ship, it didn't fly. It dematerialised and traveled the time/space vortex then rematerialised, regardless of how cool it looked to fly. The emphasis was on strong story ideas and not cool gimmicks.
I watched Genesis of the daleks this weekend and cringed to imagine it done now. Oh yeah ans there was explanations for things instead "timey wimey"
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Old 12-11-2013, 19:12
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Its not the killing. Its the stories amongst other things. The TARDIS wasnt a rocket ship, it didn't fly. It dematerialised and traveled the time/space vortex then rematerialised, regardless of how cool it looked to fly. The emphasis was on strong story ideas and not cool gimmicks.
I watched Genesis of the daleks this weekend and cringed to imagine it done now. Oh yeah ans there was explanations for things instead "timey wimey"
Actually, that's not true. It always flew around. Even landed on the ocean. And not all stories are concentrated on strong story ideas and absent of cool gimmicks. Three Doctors for example. It doesn't make much sense, but how cool is it that there are Three Doctors together!

Ahem, "Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow"?

But yeah, that is really annoying.
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Old 12-11-2013, 19:22
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Yes, the TARDIS was seen in motion as early as The Chase and actually would have been seen flying in 1963 if The Masters of Luxor had been produced in place of The Daleks.
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Old 12-11-2013, 19:23
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They also didn't have huge amounts of monsters either or have conclusions like the conclusion for Last of the Time Lords. Also there was less use of the sonic screwdriver.
As a youngster of the late '80s, I didn't even know what the sonic screwdriver was when McCoy suddenly had one in the TV Movie. Luckily it didn't matter much.
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Old 12-11-2013, 19:29
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I prefer the slow burn of the classic show.

Apart from the Doctor and his companions, there's next to no character development for anyone else in the show now. It's hard to care about characters that are here and gone in 45 minutes. There's very few exceptions ('Blink' and 'Vincent and the Doctor' do this well but there aren't really that many in new-Who)
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:18
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Actually, that's not true. It always flew around. Even landed on the ocean. And not all stories are concentrated on strong story ideas and absent of cool gimmicks. Three Doctors for example. It doesn't make much sense, but how cool is it that there are Three Doctors together!

Ahem, "Reverse the Polarity of the Neutron Flow"?

But yeah, that is really annoying.
Doesn't make sense? What part didn't make sense? The creator of Gallifreys black hole was trapped in an anti matter universe and thought he'd been abandoned. He attacked the Time Lords who allowed the doctors incarnations to cross time streams and combat Omega. I mean they had the balls to have all incarnations bicker and dislike one another. Bet any amount of money Tennant and Smiths doctor hardly fight if at all
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Old 12-11-2013, 23:13
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its the killings.

Loads of people dying.

i have watched

Spearhead From Space (J.Pertwee)
EarthShock (P.Davison)
Tomb Of The CyberMen (P.Troughton)

I cant believe the amount of torture and deaths going on, no wonder I loved the old series so much.
How about Horror Of Fang Rock??
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Old 12-11-2013, 23:34
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I prefer the slow burn of the classic show.

Apart from the Doctor and his companions, there's next to no character development for anyone else in the show now. It's hard to care about characters that are here and gone in 45 minutes. There's very few exceptions ('Blink' and 'Vincent and the Doctor' do this well but there aren't really that many in new-Who)
Character development? There was character development in the classic series? When? I saw Nyssa's father killed and his body taken over by the Master and her whole planet destroyed and I think her response was to faint. Tegan's aunt Vanessa was miniaturised by the same dastardly Master and I don't think she was even mentioned again, not even when Tegan met up with various other relatives. Adric was killed and I think Tegan and Nyssa sulked for a bit during Time Flight and then pretty much carried on as normal. Where is this mythical character development that you speak of?
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Old 12-11-2013, 23:51
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Most of what's different between classic and NuWho is that a certain pair of rose-lensed facial accessories tend to paint things with a certain cosy nostalgia...
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Old 13-11-2013, 00:20
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Character development? There was character development in the classic series? When? I saw Nyssa's father killed and his body taken over by the Master and her whole planet destroyed and I think her response was to faint. Tegan's aunt Vanessa was miniaturised by the same dastardly Master and I don't think she was even mentioned again, not even when Tegan met up with various other relatives. Adric was killed and I think Tegan and Nyssa sulked for a bit during Time Flight and then pretty much carried on as normal. Where is this mythical character development that you speak of?
Actually I think Nyssa fainted a little bit later seemingly for being a little bit tired. Aunt Vanessa was seen in a picture in Enlightenment and mentioned in Resurrection of the Daleks. Nyssa mentioned Adric in Terminus, but they are the only times I can think of. Think I'm in 99% agreement with you.
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Old 13-11-2013, 00:33
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Character development? There was character development in the classic series? When? I saw Nyssa's father killed and his body taken over by the Master and her whole planet destroyed and I think her response was to faint. Tegan's aunt Vanessa was miniaturised by the same dastardly Master and I don't think she was even mentioned again, not even when Tegan met up with various other relatives. Adric was killed and I think Tegan and Nyssa sulked for a bit during Time Flight and then pretty much carried on as normal. Where is this mythical character development that you speak of?
You are right, the classic series didn't focus on the companions as nearly as enough as the new series and they did have less character development.
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Old 13-11-2013, 00:37
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Most of what's different between classic and NuWho is that a certain pair of rose-lensed facial accessories tend to paint things with a certain cosy nostalgia...
I think that is balanced by the people who view the new series with rose lensed glasses.

Though I admit my preference of the classic series over the new series is due to memories of being annoyed by the overuse of the sonic screwdriver and writers forgetting that the conclusion is the most important part of the story (people might mention the two doctors episode 1 cliffhanger resolution and reverse the polarity of the neutron flow but from my memory apart from The Sea Devils it was not used as a resolution to the story). Which is frustrating because new who comes up with some very good ideas and I really enjoyed episodes such as Amy's Choice and The Family of Blood 2 parter.
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Old 13-11-2013, 00:38
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old who was drama with scripts and stuff. the monsters and effects were action interludes between dramatic sequences.

nu who is cgi effects with trite dialogue as linking filler material.
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Old 13-11-2013, 01:01
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Old Who had a Raston Warrior Robot teleport around a fleet of Cybermen and tore them apart one by one, decapitated one, threw a spear through the chest of another and stomp on the head of one crawling away.

...I don't think we've seen anything that bad on Nu Who yet. Any mass killing is Nu Who is just explosions.
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Old 13-11-2013, 01:21
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Actually I think Nyssa fainted a little bit later seemingly for being a little bit tired. Aunt Vanessa was seen in a picture in Enlightenment and mentioned in Resurrection of the Daleks. Nyssa mentioned Adric in Terminus, but they are the only times I can think of. Think I'm in 99% agreement with you.
Ah of course, how could I forget Aunt Vanessa's advice to Tegan "If you stop enjoying it, give it up." A philosophy that I have applied to my own career and has subsequently led to some long periods of unemployment. Curse you Aunt Vanessa and your rubbish advice!

I recently listened to the magnificent Big Finish audio Spare Parts and I noticed that Nyssa mentions Adric, her Father and home planet quite frequently. I was quite taken aback at first, Nyssa, talking about stuff that's happened to her? I don't remember her doing that before
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Old 13-11-2013, 01:22
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Old Who had a Raston Warrior Robot teleport around a fleet of Cybermen and tore them apart one by one, decapitated one, threw a spear through the chest of another and stomp on the head of one crawling away.

...I don't think we've seen anything that bad on Nu Who yet. Any mass killing is Nu Who is just explosions.
Ahh fond memories of seeing a Cyberman throwing up, they don't make em like that anymore
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Old 13-11-2013, 03:35
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I wish I could watch some old ones to see what you all mean. I live with a tech head and our children who all have the same attitude of ''it looks crap'' I don't have a separate t.v or d.v.d player away from them all. I can't youtube it either as I survive on a webpack and it would be eaten in one/two episodes. My partner likes Star Trek but he hates the original series of that for the exact same reason. What gets me is he will quite happily watch some ancient war film on film4.! I was born in 76 and I vaguely remember Tom Baker and Peter Davidson (though Bakers might of been repeats?) I recall seeing Daleks and running. I gave the movie a go a liked it and thought Paul. M was good and deserved a series. When it came back in 2005 I watched with my partner(under duress) and he loved that all the way up to David Tennant. He says he doesnt like Matt Smith but he will still watch. Our children only like it from 2005 and even though they like Matt, they like David more. My eldest (twelve) was watching a tennant episode the other day and said ''he was bloody crazy'' with a big smile on her face. I suppose he is their doctor. I got my old git to download the t.v movie and he liked that so he sort of likes a teeny fraction of the classic.
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Old 13-11-2013, 03:43
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Sorry un-related I have just got the eleven yr old into BlackAdder and he's quite amused that Captain RedBeard Rum was Dr Who.
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Old 13-11-2013, 09:22
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You are right, the classic series didn't focus on the companions as nearly as enough as the new series and they did have less character development.
Though this is true to a certain degree, there were exceptions. Peter Davison has mentioned many times that there were more 'interesting' companions during his time and that is true, most of which has already been mentioned. There's also Turlough who had a different sort of intro into the show but once his initial trilogy was over, things went downhill rapidly from thereon in. And even Peri had a little slice it in her last two stories.

And nobody has mentioned Ace, who had quite a lot of storytime turned over to her. Three out of the four stories of Season 26 were centred around her and she probably got more character development than any other Classic Who companion and she didn't just fade after her introduction.

As for the differences between the two, I think the slower pace of the stories does work and make room for overall character development and let the story breathe, but some stories it goes too slow.(The Web Planet for example).

There was certainly a good example of this in Season 22 when the episodes were as long as they are now as the lack of cliffhangers meant the pace could settle at a steady rate.

I always enjoy stories in New Who that are fast paced and have plenty of action but I don't think that could ever have worked in Classic Who as it simply couldn't sustain that pace in a 4 or 6-parter. Likewise I don't think slow paced stories can work week in, week out on New Who, there needs to be a mix. For the first four years we got that but for me personally every week seems like a slow week at the moment.

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Old 13-11-2013, 09:32
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You are right, the classic series didn't focus on the companions as nearly as enough as the new series and they did have less character development.
The classic series did develop their supporting casts much better however. In the new series, there are many stories where the supporting cast are just there. I love a great Doctor Who story no matter what though.
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Old 13-11-2013, 09:40
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Most of what's different between classic and NuWho is that a certain pair of rose-lensed facial accessories tend to paint things with a certain cosy nostalgia...
Do n't think so - still enjoy my classic who DVDs but have never been tempted to buy the New-Who.

Look at the Classic Stories that have accompanied the documentaries that Watch have had on.

Classic Who stories were longer and that extra time does allow us to get involved in characters who are necessarily in the series for 6 episodes.

Recent seasons of new who have also been far to self-obsessed - the 50th is a case in point - The Day he has been running away from all his life - get over yourself - it is an hour long tea-time science fiction series.

Nothing wrong with making a point - Doctor Who did it very well even in the classic years - take the Green Death (Environment) as an example.
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