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Old 12-11-2013, 21:32
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I don't understand the common opinion that people with 'better' voices like Sam B and Nicholas are treated as if they are more talented than others because of they're vocal ability.

I'm aware that Luke, Abi and Sam C are songwriters and play instruments (not sure about the other contestants) should't we be encouraging people with this talent to be on the X Factor rather than someone who can just sing well.

Let me give you an example. Lucy Spraggan didn't have the best voice but her talented songwriting etc is what has made her quite successful.

Surely someone putting their heart and soul into a song means more than someone who just sings a song really well without any emotion *cough* Tamera *cough*
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:40
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I just made a comment in another thread along similar lines

as long as your voice is good enough for the style of music you want to do then that is what matters , obviously if you want to be a big ballad singer you need a purer and stronger voice than you do If you want to do indie/rock

whether all of the acts you named have good enough voices for their other strengths to make up for it is another debate
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:45
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Well personally i do think the show should be all about the voice. i am not the slightest bit interested in any of the contestas privalte lives, or whether they might be nice or not. I just watch to see what singing talent they may have, and if they have the ability to go on and have a decent career.
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:49
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Well personally i do think the show should be all about the voice. i am not the slightest bit interested in any of the contestas privalte lives, or whether they might be nice or not. I just watch to see what singing talent they may have, and if they have the ability to go on and have a decent career.
so you are saying that someone who is aiming for a career in indie/rock music needs to be able to compete with sam B on pure vocals ?

that's an incredibly narrow view of the music world
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:51
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Good comments & i agree, most of the great talents over the years it has never been about singing pretty but what the artist has to offer in their musical ability. X factor is basically a karaoke contest where true talent has never been encouraged & what you are left with is a jokey kind of artist in which very few are ever taken seriously.
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:51
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Its a singing contest as Dani Minogue once said, lots of people play instruments. Abbie cant sing for toffee and sam is no better.
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:54
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Yes! I feel like Luke always gives a performance and is entertaining whereas Nicholas has an amazing voice but I easily get bored while watching him so I would favour Luke over Nicholas any day. And it doesn't mean can't sing because he can...
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:56
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It's a singing contest.
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:58
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It's a singing contest.
So?? The winner get's a recording contract...If they are a great singer but boring to listen too they will flop
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:58
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It's a singing contest.
It's a comedy show
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Old 12-11-2013, 21:59
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Its a singing contest as Dani Minogue once said, lots of people play instruments. Abbie cant sing for toffee and sam is no better.
but there are loads of people who make great music that don't have great voices, surely the competition should recognise them too, and btw I am definitely not including sam C or abi in that category

as I said as long as the voice is good enough for the style of music you are doing then we should be judging it on the totality of the end result not just who has the best voice
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:00
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The thing is that it's one thing not to have the strongest voice, but it's another not having a voice AT ALL.

Yes for more indie/quirky stuff you don't necessarily need to be technically the best.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:05
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But if we had Abi coming out week after week sat behind a piano and doing great ballad performances, it would become extremely repetitive and boring. Thats part of the reason why The Voice doesn't do so well.

Its an entertainment show- the ones with potential do well after the show.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:08
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but there are loads of people who make great music that don't have great voices, surely the competition should recognise them too, and btw I am definitely not including sam C or abi in that category

as I said as long as the voice is good enough for the style of music you are doing then we should be judging it on the totality of the end result not just who has the best voice
Agree, its about having more than a voice. Many of the all time greats don't have brilliant voices but they have that special, hard to define quality that makes them a star.

Someone may have a beautiful voice but the charisma of a paper bag. Someone else may have an adequate vocal but charisma and stage presence in spades and it would be the latter selling out stadiums
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:08
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But if we had Abi coming out week after week sat behind a piano and doing great ballad performances, it would become extremely repetitive and boring. Thats part of the reason why The Voice doesn't do so well.

Its an entertainment show- the ones with potential do well after the show.
BiB if she had done that once I might not have minded seeing her do it every week
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:09
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Well lets just say when I listen to the radio or a CD, the last thing I don't want is people who cant sing in tune to listen to, so yes it is about the voice!!
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:14
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No! No! No!

Today it's all about the twerking, dancing with dwarves and smoking cannabis joints.

Tamera has it made: A total talent vacuum and a bad girl past. KERRRRRCHING!!!

People who can sing well and in tune need not apply! This is after all to find the next vacuous pop fodder for the kiddie charts and not really to find someone with actual talent.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:15
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I could listen to Lukes voice on a CD very easily
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:22
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Well lets just say when I listen to the radio or a CD, the last thing I don't want is people who cant sing in tune to listen to, so yes it is about the voice!!
yes but i think what the thread is getting at is there are other ways of being a talented recording artist. Do you think Bob Dylan's discography would have been improved had it been sung by Joe McCeldery and written by a team of writers and producers for example?

let the program be what it's name suggests (even if it rarely turns out that way), there's another program that's all about the voice...can't just think what it's called though.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:25
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what annoys me is when people try to use this as an argument for someone who has a shit voice.

it's a live singing contest about "the whole package" - having a good voice is an undeniable pre-requeset for that. a good voice - in whatever style it may happen to be...there's more to being able to sing than belting out power ballads - is a baseline foundation on which the other things such as stage presence, charisma, emotion, showmanship, personality etc build upon.

(and for the record, i doubt many indie artists would be interested in going on x factor....the moment they do they're no longer 'indie'. it's whole tagline is about finding a popstar, and it's pretty much the definition of modern day consumerism in the music industry)
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:27
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It shouldn't all be about the voice, but if the voice is what punters like about a contestant then that's fair enough.


No! No! No!

Today it's all about the twerking, dancing with dwarves and smoking cannabis joints.
To paraphrase the late, great, Bill Hicks - every popular music artist who ever did anything worthwhile was on drugs.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:28
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what annoys me is when people try to use this as an argument for someone who has a shit voice.

it's a live singing contest about "the whole package" - having a good voice is an undeniable pre-requeset for that. a good voice - in whatever style it may happen to be...there's more to being able to sing than belting out power ballads - is a baseline foundation on which the other things such as stage presence, charisma, emotion, showmanship, personality etc build upon.

(and for the record, i doubt many indie artists would be interested in going on x factor....the moment they do they're no longer 'indie'. it's whole tagline is about finding a popstar, and it's pretty much the definition of modern day consumerism in the music industry)
^^^^ This
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:30
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I think if the other aspects of your 'X Factor' make up for your shit voice, you can get away with it.

There's a number of factors that make up a great pop star. A good voice, a good look, good charisma, being a good dancer, being interesting, being original, etc.

Someone like Sam Callahan is lacking quite a lot in the 'good voice' department. But his fantastic looks, his charm and his stage presence are good enough to make up for it.

And I'm not saying he's a terrible singer. I think he's better than most people allow.

But the point I'm making is the 'full package' does not necessarily require that you have a half decent voice. If your other qualities make up for it, you can get away with it.
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Old 12-11-2013, 22:30
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To paraphrase the late, great, Bill Hicks - every popular music artist who ever did anything worthwhile was on drugs.[/quote]


Then Tamera will win easily this year.

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Old 12-11-2013, 22:38
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well look at Alex and Sierra on the US X-Factor. They have good voices sometimes, their youtube videos are much better than the live X-Factor shows, but they do have something the American audience is buying into, albeit hyped up, but I like them too and you want to root for them to do well, so it's not all about the voice
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